What people can do that God can not do?
Our God is awesome God, there is nothing impossible to our God...
Forgive people without bloodshed.
If the Bible is to be believed in order to offer mankind with Salvation God had to send his son to die as part of a horrific blood-sacrifice. Instead of simply forgiving all of mankind and wiping the slate clean, or working to rehabilitate mankind, God sentenced his innocent son to a bloody and violent death. A death that would ultimately save only a small percentage of the population from a fiery lake of torment that God himself created.
Even in the old testament he demands that innocent animals be slaughtered, and their blood sprinkled and organs dealt with in a bizarre, anal-retentive and ritualistic way.
Human beings can forgive "sins" without bloodshed, apparently the God of the Bible cannot.
Well the blood shed ended almost 2000 years ago.
You're assuming that people could forgive 'better' than God then? Any forgiveness that people have is enabled by God. 1st, God created people. 2nd, He forgave us while we were His enemies & killed His Son. We reflect His character when we forgive
Titen-Sxull, you DEFINATELY need to do something with all of this festering hate you have towards the Almighty...I guess writing is one good outlet, but seriously, go exercise, or something! And don't tell me you're not angry!
@SwordofManticorE, According to the Bible the bloodshed doesn't end with Jesus. In fact the Bible says that the streets will run with blood when Jesus comes back and the four horsemen are unleashed.
Actually, JMcFarland, the passage is not saying God could not defeat the people with their chariots of iron. Just a few chapters later, in Judges 4:12-16, we see an army, with iron chariots, defeated by God & His people.
Then why include the passage where god failed at all?
Ha... the passage doesn't indicate a failure by God. He succeeded the second time... perhaps He just got stronger or more strategic. No, God created the universe, I think some chariots of iron were not too much an obstacle.
How does an all knowing, all powerful deity suddenly become more strategic? Can't he just make the sun stand still? Oh, that's right. He was only TEMPORARILY unable to destroy iron chariots - and then he learned better. Funny, that.
I was being sarcastic. Perhaps I shouldn't take that approach. I felt that you were doubling down on a position that did not make sense, nor go with the context of the book or Bible. The Bible is not just what God 'can do', but also history of man.
People can decide for themselves whether to respond to God's free gift of salvation. This is the thing they can do that God cannot do, because He has chosen to make us with free will... to let people decide what path to follow. He will not impede upon this decision of His, and has freely limited Himself.
"Our God is awesome God, there is nothing impossible to our God"
Except of course, stopping all the pain and suffering of the world.
Oh, I remembered another one. He cannot heal amputees, unless he CAN but never chooses to EVER
Pain and suffering is a direct result of the free will of people, not God's lack of caring or power. If God made people with free will, which it seems He did, then it makes sense that those people could do evil if they chose to do so.
"Pain and suffering is a direct result of the free will of people"
Please tell me what children born with defects and illness has to do with free will.
It is an unfortunate, but a simple reason. People chose another path, different than God's, and that path has led to physical death and pain & suffering; the path also leads to spiritual death if we do not respond to God's gift.
Nothing you said has anything to do with what I asked. Unless of course you're saying the only people who have children with illness are people without your god.
It has everything to do with what you asked. In the beginning mankind was given free will and they used it to choose "sinfully", thus bringing death & pain into the world. Now we are plagued with illness and suffering, but righteous & evil pe
I'll agree to disagree. I will never understand such thinking.
Ok, I can respect that. Perhaps in the future I will dedicate a hub to the question you posed, as it should be addressed further.
Here's the problem with the assumption that evil is a result of free will. Do you believe that you will have free will in heaven, our will you be a mindless worship robot?
He can stop the pain and people suffering,,But it depends on the people and the situation.
We won't be mindless worship robots; though after seeing God in His glory worship would be a natural result. The problem with the assumption that God is 'not' b/c of evil is the knowledge of good/evil is based upon what? We can't know 'good' w/o God.
Sojourner - you didn't answer my fundamental question. Is there free will in heaven?
Free will seems to be with people still in heaven. However, the main choice has been made. The choice of whether people choose to accept God's gift & be with Him, or to reject it, and spend eternity apart from Him.
so if there's free will in heaven, is there evil in heaven?
No. B/c, as I indicated the main choice has been made and people would be changed to completely reflect the likeness and character of God; they do not have this same level of character as people now... b/c people will see God and He will change them.
If there is free will in heaven and no evil, then it is possible to maintain free will without the need for evil. Therefore the evil in this world is not necessary due to the fact that human kind has free will. Thanks for admitting it.
Actually, your course of logic does not follow. There was never a "need for evil", merely free will. Free will in the beginning is different than it will be. Just like Satan & demons were cast out of heaven, angels have not chosen after to join t
it does follow. You said that pain and suffering is a direct result of free will - but you can have free will without the pain, suffering or evil of this world. Lucifer knew god existed, but went against him. You don't have to accept god, regardle
No. Once again, after the choice to serve God is made and the end is here people won't choose to go against Him; just as the angels do not go against Him now. Lucifer & demons were angels that made their choice, but the time for that choice is ov
you can know with absolute certainty that god exists - and still go against him. If there is free will in heaven, then it's still feasible that some may change their minds, however unlikely. IF they CAN'T, then they don't have free will.
I can see how that would make sense, however, you don't understand the difference between now and then. 1 Corinthians 13:12- people will see God face to face & it will no longer be faith in God, but seeing God. There will be a change inside &
Biblical characters didn't have faith either. They spoke to god face to face and he intervened in their lives in a demonstrable way. Faith came into play in the absence of proof, and free will by definition means a choice.
Wrong. Hebrews 11 is all about the faith of people who acted according to God's word. Some saw the results of that faith and others died while still believing without ever seeing the fruit of their labors. Yet, all were obedient to God.
You're telling me that Abraham or Moses had faith? they saw god face to face. They interacted with him. That's not faith. Faith is believing in something without sufficient justification for that believe. It's belief without evidence.
Moses was told that confirmation for his mission would come after the mission was complete. Abraham moved from where he was living to a place he did not even know about yet. He also was ready to sacrifice his son before God stopped him. Yes, faith.
so people who actually talked to god like they'd talk to another human being had faith and not evidence? If that's not evidence, then you cannot possibly assert that there is evidence for god if seeing him face to face doesn't count.
Sure, talking with God is a kind of 'evidence'. So people who have relationship for God present days have a type of evidence. But evidence & communication with God doesn't toss faith out the window. Some people have scoffed at evidence, ignoring
At the risk of sounding like a smart-aleck, people are a lot better at proving their own existence than god. I can contact someone across the world, speak with them, show them a picture of myself, even spend the money to go see them. Whereas god seems incapable of communication in any method other than vaguely shaped clouds and whispers to the mentally unstable. You would think that an omnipotent being could manage something a little more concrete than that. Sure, it might be a test of faith that this one religion, out of thousands, is the right one, but I doubt it. People can make a direct influence in their own lives, as well as the lives of others. God cannot. Some might say that god does good through people, but if that were true, then why do people of other religions (or no religions) still do good things? Why would god choose to do good through someone he has condemned to hell?
People are made in the image of God. It makes sense that they would do 'good'. Also, people have a conscience, put there by God, to influence them to do good and to desire to do good. There is also a lot of objective evidence for God's existence.
there is no evidence for gods existence. I'd like for you to prove others - although you've ignored my other question completely.
There is evidence for God's existence. We can see in science through Physics, Biology, & Cosmology there is significant evidence to support a Creator. Also, we can use philosophy and logic to help in the pursuit. I have addressed your questions.
you've listed three fields of study that are 95% atheistic in the field. I don't want the field of study - I want you to provide actual evidence. Feel free to email me if the comment field is not big enough.
Where did you get your 95%? Also, even if 100% were atheists the evidence is still evident to point toward a Creator. If you would like to provide evidence to the contrary feel free. Otherwise, I will give a summary: redshift, DNA, 0 spatial volume.
In several recent polls, the number of atheists in scientific fields like microbiology are astounding. The research is out there, you can look it up. IF there was evidence pointing to a god, it would be all over the news, complete with a Nobel priz
It would not be all over the news, because many people don't want to come to such a conclusion. The expansion of the universe, the indication of a beginning point of time & space, and the info in DNA are just a few bits of evidence for a Creator
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