What do you do when one christian Hub conflicts with another christian Hub on the same subject?
For example, One HUb says we should tithe another says we shouldn't. One Hub says we should follow the Sabbath, an another says we don't have too. Why the confussion. Is there too many conflicting doctrine?
Doctrine can often get in the way of what the Bible says. Ultimately, you have to seek the Bible for yourself and follow what the word says, not what a doctrine says because not all doctrines are totally based in the word.
I only place one addition to this - Love. All that is done in love is perfect, be it doctrine or understanding or reading or preaching or just everyday business and affairs. It is only through love that doctrine can even be right.
I disagree to a point. Love is often times misguided so it is not always perfect. Case in point, Killing someone because you love God cannot be perfect because you are breaking a commandment out of Love for the creator of that commandment.
and unfortunaely love sometimes is doing what is not wanted True love is doing or saying what is true and needed not what is desired. check Pauls instruction to Timothy.
Life must be so, my brother.
In a theological seminary, you will be surprised how different they can all be. Christianity itself has over 500 Paths and many are extreme and different. Is there a problem? No. In an orchestra the flute will be the flute and the violin the violin. But they make great music. The fragrance of the rose complements the daffodils. We are all different and at different stages in this spiritual sojourn. Even daughters and sons can have radically different views from their parents.
One man is a doctor, another a priest. Variety is essential for God's creation. Sameness just does not work. You must have seen by now, that in this Christian section, there are over a 100 different views. You will serve some and annoy others. Know this, remain detached, and be free.
P.s. One final thing. On the subject of the Sabbath, all we ever have is the Eternal Now, the present moment. I could pop off anytime. So why not do my Sabbath now? Saturday may never come! We stand before God for every second of our lives. Hope this helps.
Manatita44, This is Word that you speak. This comment is not a comment, it is a truth! (I think the end of paragraph 3 is not about detachment but focus)
I will read this to many in my sermon tomorrow. Truly this is wine for the thirsty. Thank you.
In the Body of Christ, I would think there would be far more unity than what is seen in todays churches as oppose to the differences. Opposit doctrines do not seem to unite anything.
Yes, Eric. True.
Detachment will lead to focus.A sweet word for this is one-pointedness or devotion - the complete submission of the individual will, to the Supreme Will. Thanks for the contribution.
the churches of man have 500 paths---- the True church of God has one
I don't do anything but but be pleased at knowing that it is all made up.
I do what we are, as beleivers, called to do...I compare them each to the actual Scripture. It doesn't matter if they conflict with each other. What matters is whether they agree with Scriprture. Apart from that, nothing else matter in that case.
Humans interpret what they see and read. It goes through the filter of experience, biases, experience, beliefs and such.
Personally, I think that the Bible has a great deal of truth, but that no one has that truth in their heart. Some are striving for it, but most are holding onto their own interpretation as if it is Truth. No one can learn if their cup is already full of their own ideas.
There are two things we MUST do as Christians. The two greatest commandments. Love God, and love other people. Beyond that it is up for debate, we should be following God, doing what he directs us to do. For some that may look like tithing, for others it may look like mission trips, it depends on what God wants for us. I have went through periods of tithing, and then periods where I simply do not have any money left after bills are paid and I cannot tithe. Does this make me any less Christian? No. What makes us Christian is being Christ-like. Following Christ wherever he leads.
When it comes to tithing we can ask ourselves how it fits into the two commandments of love God and love other people. Our money is from God, we need to be good stewards of this money. If we attend a church, the leaders of this church are living off of what we choose to donate, as well as covering the church costs with these donations. If we have money to give, and we have a church we attend we can ask God if we should be giving what we can. Personally I think that tithing is very important, mostly because I do know of several people who rely solely on these donations to support their families as they do God's work.
When it comes to the Sabbath I do not know. I know that the Sabbath is technically Saturday and that is about it haha. Pray about it. Read what scripture says about it. God will show you the right path.
calynbana- I have my opinion on tithing, My concern here is, if we as christians, are the body of christ shouldn't there be a unity in doctrine. And yet that is not what we find as christians as a whole. Christian Hub confict with each other. Why?
grace - i find that too many want to believe what they are taught or what feels good to them instead of finding the actual scriptural answer. but my bible says " test all things to see if they be of God"
Do nothing. Apparently there is some definite confusion going on. Let them figure it out for themselves.
JThom42- I think to Do Nothing might not be so great of an idea. If one should pick up the bible and start reading and studying for themselves, then that would solve many problems. It would seem that other doctrines would then no longer be a problem.
My friend, people are going to believe what they choose to believe regardless of what we say, or what we believe. And some, their beliefs change with the weather.
That is so true. I am every greatful for your answer JThom42. Many blessings
Iron sharpens iron...we are called to expose false teachings and teach sound doctrine. If you see that someone misinformed, then why wouldn't you show them the TRUTH as found in Scripture?
Mitch Alan- I do agree with you. I should mention that many times I have confronted those teaching false doctrine. And they continue to hold to their false teachings regardless. One stands a better chance of leading a tree to water.
Mitch Alan- One more point I wish to make. The key to UNDERSTANDING the bible is to understand the context in which God meant it, not the way one interpretates it with a carnal mind. And I believe that's what happens 95% of the time.
Graceinus, We can not determine the outcome, as that is His domain, but we are called to share the Gospel and sound doctrine...we are not called to do it if we think "we" have a good chance of "convincing".
Yes, context & His Spirit are essent
sorry but scripture requires us to expose error
celafoe... You contradict yourself. In one of your last comments you said we are not to spread the word unless asked. Now you say differently?
exposing error is not spreading the word. you can stop your playing your silly games anytime now. that is not what i said--- context context context
celafoe 16 hours ago
what it actually says acts 1 is "you shall be witnesses to me. ie examples . Witnesses only speak when asked a question. If we live it they will ask and thne they will listen
jthomp--- when are you going to stop playing your silly games? that is exactly what I said, it pertains to those OUTSIDE-- judging what is written is a totally different subject.
celafoe... I am not playing games. You are constantly contradicting yourself. Should we in your opinion witness or not as you have said before. My opinion is to witness with every opportunity we are given.
if you dont understand there are different subjects involved then there is no way for you to see. your mind is made up by your opinion not truth. I can show a liberal truth but I cannot make him see it, he has to have eyes to see
No labels needed here. I am first and foremost a child of the almighty God. I am in no way a liberal. In fact, I am quite the opposite.
Prov 9:8 Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you;
Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser;
Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
that is simple search the scriptures in context and see which is correct/
start with checking the scriptures being used and if they are taken out of context or incomplete you know it is wrong. otherwise do an in depth study. You should do this with every Christian article you read any way. there are lots of them on here that are off the wall and use scripture out of context or no scripture, just opinions. the bible tells us to test ALL things to see if the be of God/
"Witness": What if you are not asked to do so?
celafoe- I like to study and research every day. Which is why I come up with a lot of these questions in HubPages. Many thanks.
scripture, if you understand it REQUIRES us to do so. why are so childish just because you dont agree with me?
We are called, by God, to witness both through our lives and the saring of His word. Witnessing is not optional. It doesn't mean you have to go door to door, but if the opporunity presents itself we are to share the Gospel.
mitch--- you witness by your actions, you share with your words, and you are correct, when the proper opportunity presents. so we are not throwing pearls to swine
The two examples you cited are actually gray areas in Christianity that are not mandatory. Both are Old Testament law, from which we have been set free. However, many choose to follow at least some aspects of the law anyway as an act of worship because it pleases God, to demonstrate that Christians are set apart, and as a preventative measure so that we do not lead others into temptation or fall into it ourselves. Christians disagree about these gray areas because they are gray. Some give higher priority to "freedom in Christ" (Galations 5), while others are more concerned about not leading others to sin (1 Corinthians 8). As long as you are motivated by one of these things or a combination and are therefore doing as God has individually convicted you, it does not matter what decision you personally make because it does not affect your salvation. However, if you follow the law because you are judgmental and legalistic or do not follow the law because you resent all authority including God's, your heart and soul are not in the right place. It is therefore not right for any Christian to tell any other Christian what they absolutely must do regarding these gray areas (although you can give gentle advice), for no human can know the heart and convictions of another fully enough to make that decision for them.
It is important to realize that not everything is scripture is gray just because we have been set free from the law. Fornication, idolatry, adultery, homosexual activity (just the activity, not the attraction), theft, coveting, alcoholism, slander/gossip, and swindling are absolutely not acceptable (1 Corinthians 6) because unlike other violations of the law, these represent conscious lifestyle choices contrary to the law and therefore serve as a sort of spit in God's face. It's like saying, "Oh, thanks for the gift, God. Now I'm going to ignore you and do as I please. Bye!" It angers him more than if we had never accepted his gift in the first place.
If one would take the time to understand the context in which the bible was/is meant by God, then one would realize there is no gray area.And if God said it , then I would think that settles it. Thank you for your answer.
There is No gray area, if God says it , thats it. My bible makes it clear, if you keep one part of the dead law you obligate yourself to keep it all-- and be judged under it rather than grace because you are saying Jesus died in vain
celafoe- Let me clarify what I'm trying to say.. At that time of the Old Covenant God's laws applied. As christians we now have a New covenant which now applies. Therefore there's no gray area.
grace, I was talking to Violin, sorry I should have specified. I agree with you.
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