What does it mean to a Christian "to observe the Sabbath"?

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   Perspycaciousposted 9 years ago

   What does it mean to a Christian "to observe the Sabbath"?

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   Norine Williamsposted 9 years ago

   The "law" has been "fulfilled!"  No more "Sabbath," but JESUS - "Everyday!" So says Scripture!
   
   Colossians 2:14-17 says, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (laws) that was against us, which was contrary to us and TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO HIS CROSS; (V15) And, having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.  (V16) Let no man, therefore, judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day, or of a new moon, or of a SABBATH DAY, (V17) WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of CHRIST!"
   
   Therefore, "SABBATH DAY" has been abolished and we NOW serve JESUS "Everyday" according to Scripture!     
   
   Don't you want to be as those who "overcame the great tribulation?"  (Revelation 7:14-15)  They "serve Him day and night!"  Should we do any less?

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Rich why do you think "law..fulfilled in Christ but the comm of God r still there?"  Eph 4:4-6 ONE SPIRIT!  Jn10:30!   
      
      Read Gal 3:24-25! No longer under a Schoolmaster (THE LAW)!  Fulfilled! Day of rest means "trusting" (resting) in the Lord's Word

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      You can REST assured that there will be no one in the Kingdom of God that doesn't keep the 10 commandments of God. Do you do what the commandments say to not do? Then rest on the Sabbath day as Well. Honor what God asked us to do. Jesus did.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      "Shadow of things to come!" Read Heb 4:1-16! We "rest" in Him "Daily!" Did God rest?  Does an atty "rest" his case? That's what God did!  He didn't "rest" as we do but stopped for it was "Good!" Now we "rest" in His Word but it is "labor" (trust) to

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      You can't even take one day a week and do what God said, yet you think you can rest daily? Good luck with that delusion. Like I said your problem is with what is written not what I say, take it up with Him.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: I gave SCRIPTURE saying under New Covenant, disciples praised Him "DAILY!" Acts 2:46-47 "And they cont'd DAILY w/1 accord in the temple... (v47) Praising God..."  Is it a LIE?
      
      Problem: You don't want to leave LAW (Old Covenant)! Read Gal 3!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine what did Jesus read from ? Notice
      
      Luke 19:4-21 as he read he said he fulfilled
      Mt 5:17“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill.
      Jesus upgraded ,he was reading the scroll of Isa 61:1-

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:  Yes, He "fulfilled" the Law and I agree that we should "upgrade" to the NEW COVENANT or Galatians 1:6-9 "ACCURSED!"
      @Rich: I don't mean "rest" as on couch but "trust" ("rest") in His Word! We NOW "rest" in His Word "DAILY!"

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Also Norine the scrolls written at that time was for anointed Christians who had been given the gifts of powers by means called holy spirit,  (powers ) of the HEAVENLY FATHER , for the purpose to preach and show proof that Jesus was the Messiah.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: "Scrolls?" Law?  Jesus fulfilled the LAW when He sent Holy Spirit!  U cant' serve 2 masters or live under 2 COV's!  Gal 4:19-31! 
      Heb 3:7; 3:15
      
      Read Heb 7, 8, 9, 10... GOOD READING for BETTER UNDERSTANDING!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       RICH the commandments were given to the Jews they were under obligation by contract to keep the laws, other nations were not, remember JESUS preached to Isreal when he came to earth first, then later gentiles were added as Peter was used to welcome

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Paul taught to Gentiles (Gal 2:8). Peter believed "circumcision" (Gal 2:16) "law!"  Paul (who stood in Christ's stead) given NEW REVELATION! Peter disagreed but TRUTH later revealed!  Read all of Gal 2,3...!
       
       Gal 2:21!

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   Rich kelleyposted 9 years ago

   The law may have been fulfilled in Christ but the commandments of God are still there. They were written in stone by the hand of God. We don’t say it is ok to lie now because Jesus didn’t lie. We would not say we have no need to honor our mother and father because Christ did it for us. We cannot steal just because Jesus never stole. What I’m saying applies to all of the Ten Commandments. Yet today the professing Christian has rationalized the keeping of the Sabbath right out of the list. The other nine none would deny are still written in stone somewhere but the Sabbath that one is up for discussion.
   
   Today the Sabbath has been changed from Saturday to Sunday. There are countless books written, and sermons galore that justify man changing what God created. Sunday is not the Sabbath yet that is the day most Christians say is the day of rest and no work. Sunday has become the day that all get in a car and travel to a building somewhere and permit the man made roles of clergy/laity to exist. Sunday is the day despite the Christian not working it is OK for others to work and serve them brunch, lunch or dinner. Sunday is the day to do all your yard work. Sunday is the mall shopping day. Sunday is the day to watch all the gladiators in the various sport rings work, but that is ok long as the Christian isn’t working.
   
   Today if you could actually keep the Sabbath holy you would be in the world but not of the world. In the New Testament the believers came together on the Lords day (Sunday) but that doesn't mean they didn't keep the Sabbath. The world has made it hard to rest on the Sabbath, religion has made it hard to keep the Sabbath. Our jobs have made it hard to keep the Sabbath. Nine of the Commandments are more than likely followed by believers but the Sabbath that one has some how become too hard to do. (Myself included)

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: Did Paul "come together on the first day of the week" (Acts 20:7) ONLY? Nope! He taught "Everyday!"  How can 1 be "in the world, but not of the world" if not IN CHRIST daily?"  Did Col 2:16 LIE?

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I Jn 2:6 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to WALK, even as he WALKED." Did He only teach on Sabbath?  Did Paul? It's an "EVERYDAY WALK!" I Jn 2:8! Law fulfilled! Did Gal 3:24-25 LIE?  No more "Sabbath!"  Did Col 2:16 LIE?

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Col 2:6  As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
      
      Did Jesus and His Disciples keep the Sabbath, yes, so walk as they walked.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      What Sabbath? Give Scripture! If referring to Disciples & Jesus going into Synagogues on Sabbath, that's where many men met under "the law" where many gathered to discuss "the law" & Followers discussed "fulfillment thereof!" RdActs2:42-47!-"

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Acts 2:26 Resting in Hope doesn't exclude you from keeping the commandments of God, David the one speaking kept the Sabbath while he rested in the hope.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Holy Spirit NOW "puts laws in our minds, & Writes them in our hearts"(Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16)! Better than those of stone!  Gal 3:24-25 says "Schoolmaster" unless u just coming unto Christ!" But "after faith" no need for "Schoolmaster!" HS BETTE

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      It is written "remember the Sabbath day by keeping it Holy". You have a problem with the word of God take it up with Him I will no longer banter with you.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: Come from under the OLD COVENANT! It's a new day with a NEW COVENANT! (Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16.)  How can u keep ALL those (Jm 2:10)? 
      
      So many not "rightly dividing His Word!"  Gal 4:21-31. Not under LAW (Old Cov)!  "STUDY!"  (II Tim 2:15)

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine Galatians 1:6-9 is talking about the good news of God's Government/Kingdom.
      Who is cursed and who is not is out of our jurisdiction, so I personally do not apply a scripture of judgment to no one , we will be judge by our own imperfections.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: What is "righteous" but the Bible!  It says judge "righteous" judgment (Jn 7:24) which means "use Scripture to judge only!"  If It judges, not me, so, OH WELL!
       
       Not out of the Word's jurisdiction! You're "personally" wrong for IT judges!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine the bible simply says at Lu 6:37“Moreover, stop judging, and you will by no means be judged; and stop condemning, and you will by no means be condemned. Keep on forgiving, and you will be forgiven
       Here it says stop!

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T:  It says "YOU"don't judge not "HIS WORD!"  If the Word judges??  Read Galatians 6:1 "..If a man be overtaken in a fault...restore such an one..." If at "fault" against  His Word, "restore" (corr) him w/the Word of God! Can't teach if u don't

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Also I heard a story about that a visitor came from another  country and was well versed in many languages,  he visited a church where people claim to speak in tongues,  to his surprise the language was
       Foul and disgusting words and profanity.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Not my problems - God sees ALL & knows all. "Tongues"  gift from Holy Spirit.  One can "pretend" all day, but GOD knows!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Yes God knows but many will not listen to the truth. Sad because when it will be evident , then it will be to late.
       Satan's skeme to keep people mislead by any means possible that include
       through religion. Religion does not save people God does.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: What "religion?" Yours? No "man" taught me this!  "But by the revelation of Jesus Christ!"  (Gal 1:12). Funny u've been taught JESUS baptism (which is right and most don't see) & don't call it the devil!  Just bcuz not "taught" not wrong

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   Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

   I personally was a student of the 7th day Advant in their private school up to Jr High.
   My mother was not of this faith but was a good friend with a member .she
   Sponsored me in the school.
   But as I got older I needed to make the truth my own, not by or through another human, but by my own study and conviction.
   What I learned that the Sabbath day was based on the Jewish law and their calander.
   The Jewish law was a, contract between the original Jewish or Isreal
   Legal and binding when he became their God and savior in Eygpt he continued that contract when he led them out of Egypt and down to the promise land.
   We are not original Jews, so the mosaic law was not contracted to other nations of people.
   Remember he gave them laws Ten Commandments) and other laws a well.
   Also we must remember God used the
   Jewish nation to bring his son Jesus  as the Messiah to the earth.
   
   As the Messiah Jesus would better the Law , he would make a brand new contract. there would be no more need of sacrifices of animals to get sins forgiven. Because he was the last value used through who our sins are forgiven.
   We have to make sure we do not void that new contract that we would put ourself under the old mosaic laws, or Moses , of the Sabbath day.
   We would be saying  Jesus was not valuble enough to replace the mosaic laws.
   When he is God's firstborn son , A Prince.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:  I keep asking "all," DID CHRIST DIE IN VAIN?
      
      MOST want to stay under the LAW not "STUDYING" to see Scripture says we're NOW under a NEW COVENANT!   
      
      ONE CAN'T SERVE 2 MASTERS NOR LIVE UNDER BOTH COVENANTS! (Gal 4:19-31)
      
      GREAT RESPONSE!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine we are under an improved  contract , but again we are not fleshly Isreal, we are not the original Jews, We. Are not under or never was as another nation obligated to keep their laws and commantments.
      Jesus death was to extend to the nations

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:  Agreed!  For we are "Gentiles," who've never been under "THE LAW!"  Why so many want to KEEP it, I don't know!

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      Perspycaciousposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus himself said that he came not to change even the smallest part of the law.  (Matthew 5:18-20.)  someone can debate the phrase about the Law being fulfilled.  The question posed here is direct and simple, if you are a Christian, reply.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      D: Gal 3:24-25!  Are you coming unto Christ w/ NO "faith?"  If so, The Ten Commandments are for you!  If not, "faith" replaces "Schoolmaster" for Holy Spirit takes over w/BETTER observance of LAWS! (Jer 31:33;Heb8:10;10:16)!

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      Perspycaciousposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Be sure to read Matthew 5:17-18 about that last comment.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Demas: "The Gospels" (Matt, Mk, Lk & Jn) under LAW! Fulfilled "After the Cross!"  New Covenant=Jer&Heb! Laws now "put in hearts & written in minds"=BETTER which EXCEEDS Big Ten!

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      Perspycaciousposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Would you really believe that God's own Son would do away with a law set in stone by his Father to honor their rest after fulfilling creation?  Christ himself honored the Sabbath while also saying it was "meet to do good on the Sabbath".

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Matthew 5:17  "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
      The laws on the minds and heart don't differ from the written, if anything they are stricter.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Rich: He "fulfilled" the 613+ Mosaic laws by sending Holy Spirit which NOW "puts laws in hearts & minds" under New Covenant! Rm 5:20 "...GRACE MUCH MORE ABOUNDS..." 
       DJ:  GOD (I Tim 3:16) "fulfilled!" Give Scripture where HE "honored the Sabbath

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       Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Mat_12:8  "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
       Jesus would not be Lord of something He didn't observer. If Jesus is Lord as many proclaim we might want to look closer at what He is Lord over and make sure we are apart of it.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       True Rich , After the sacrefice of Jesus death , where were the priest? where is it written that the Deciples gave sacrifices for sins, there was no longer a need since Jesus was the last sacrifice made for all humans.The Sabbath was part of the old

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       Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       The Sabbath one day set apart by God made Holy before there were blood sacrifices has nothing to do with priest. The Sabbath is not part of any Covenant to be ignored as you like or not. New/Old matters not it was made for us, blessed by God.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Rich: "The Lord of the Sabbath" bcuz HE IS GOD who gave 613+ & 10 to Moses! Gal 5:4 Have you "fallen from Grace?" Sabbath=Nothing! If u feel "any day" (Tues)  WORD says OK (Col 2:16). Jesus say n heaven=DAILY (Rev 7:14-15)!  Shouldn't we?Why 1 da

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       Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry Norine Jesus is not God so your explanation is incorrect.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry Rich you have not learned to "worship in SPIRIT & TRUTH" & therefore look carnally (father & son v Father & Son)!  Throughout Scripture u see GOD chging fm GLORY to GLORY yet u question Him being Father & Son+? O ye of Littl

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   Kate Mc Brideposted 9 years ago

   I  was a very spiritual person at one time and went to Church regularly. Unfortunately that has stopped and we never bring our sons to church either.
   At this point in time our Sabbath is for rest and food. We get up late,have a three course dinner and light the fire in the front room on a Sabbath Day.
   However,it is time to observe some religious practice once again although I call and visit with our local clergyman when I need to.He is a very holy person and I respect that.
   This is a very good question and well-timed Demas to ask it on the Sabbath Day.
   Kate

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Kate: Does it NOT matter what the Bible says?  Did u read my response w/Scriptures? Did you verify that they were true? (Acts 17:11).  Did you Ask your "local clergyman?"
      
      Why is it that one doesn't care because of "preconceived ideas?"

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Why did he call them lost sheep , because the Jews had misrepresented and abused the law and the people, they had taken ranks of power , and even created more law of doctrins to there own favor and positions.
      Jesus called them lost .

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:  As those who do not do as Galatians 1:6-9 says - "ACCURSED!"

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      NorineRe 16:14They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
      Satan fools people in church

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Yes, I "see!"  Satan does "fool people" but they should STUDY the Word of God ! I have given Scripture in "every" resp! Rd Hebrews no more LAW or Sabbath for the Holy Spirit praises GOD "DAILY" as  in Acts 2:46-47-DAILY!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine there is a difference in helping people learn bible truth people must make their own decisions to have a personal relationship with the heavenly Father,
      We can encourage bible reading but not judge anyone with it.
      Because we can not see all

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: When one gives Scripture and IT judges, not the person but the Word of God judges!  If teaching, TRUTH (Word of God) not me telling anyone anything but HIS WORD; therefore, "I" cannot be judged nor do "I" judge, but  His Word!
      
      No fun hearin

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      True Norine the same , but that has nothing to do with doing away with.You youself say the mosaic law is not the same.
      So now you say there is no change.
      The same means his personality. Just because you change clothes does not mean
      You have changed

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: The 10 Comm WAS our "Schoolmaster" (Gal 3:24-25) when we 1st came unto Christ. NOW "faith" in HS is where we SHOULD BE!
      
      LAWS (ALL) were fulfilled on the Cross (Col 2:14-17)!
      
      I wish u would READ rather than talk condemning His Word! STUDY

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine again your infomation is not accurate and again Jesus died on a stake, not cross which is pagan , you need to do research , and learn to use other reference materials.  Your infomation is limited and you are teaching false.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: What diff does it makes "what He died on?" He DIED for the remission of our sins! Doesn't yours say that or something diff?
       
       Stop looking @ carnal things & STUDY in the SPIRIT & ALL will be revealed!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine what Jesus did for us money can not buy a million dollars is not enough to keep people living, money has no value when saving generations of lives , to give cures for all sickness, to bring loved one back from graves, to make earth a paradise

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: Just an "illustration!" See how u look @ "the letter?"  STOP or II Cor 4:3!
       You MUST seek "THE MSG" in Scripture, not "the letter!"  That's "Worshiping in the Spirit" (Jn 4:24)!

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   Carola Finchposted 9 years ago

   It means to set aside time to rest.  Man needs to rest at times, something sadly lacking in todays world.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Carola Yes it does mean a day of rest of labors,  but Jesus improved the law , his death canceled out certain things the Jews were obligated to keep.
      Mt 15:24 He answered: “I was not sent to anyone except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:  It "DID" mean a day of rest for Children of Israel, their servants & stock but NEVER for us (Gentiles)!

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      although a wild olive shoot,were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Christ died for us & left Holy Spirit under NEW COVENANT! We are NOW in that dispensation!  "Sabbath" is "DAILY" according to Acts 2:42;46-47! Doesn't mean going to bldg, but "serving Him" (teaching/preaching) as the apostles did "DAILY!"

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      The Jews had the Sabbath for most of their life, and yet they lost their blessings
      Why? Pr 21:3 To do what is right and just Is more pleasing to Jehovah than a sacrifice.
      They killed God's son that was not right,
      A day sacrefice does not save you

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      U know, ALL not reading "AFTER NEW COVENANT!"  Stuck under OLD COV (LAW)!  No one cares that Christ DIED! It's SAD! Jesus sent HS and no one using!  No one cares that He told Paul to continue ministry! Didn't Paul write most of New Testament?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine Re 12:9So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent,the one called Devil and Satan,who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
      he misleads entire earth

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: I'm sorry that u don't know that the Bible is written in DIFF Dispensations & think God's Word is the Devil when He said Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10;10:16!  A NEW COV in which HS rules and NO LAW!  I guess Christ died in Vain! Sorry!  Gal 1:6-9!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine where did I say his word is the Devil.
      Stop saying things I never said .you said that.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: If I give His Word & u say Devil "misleads," are you not saying His Word is the devil?  When I quote Scripture & diff fm "your bible," why don't u say so? Because there's no diff & u know it! U just want to remain complacent rath

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   Say Yes To Lifeposted 9 years ago

   My background is Seventh Day Adventist.  We are a lot like Jews; not only do we keep Saturday, we also value education and have a worldwide network where we welcome strangers as family. SDAs have their own explanation about why most Christians worship on Sunday, but my understanding is the 3 major religions of the Roman Empire - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - each wanted their own dayvof worship.  Jews already had Saturday, so Islam chose Friday and Christianity chose Sunday, the day Christ rose from the dead.

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      Perspycaciousposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      SDAs are great people and highly respected for their dedication to service worldwide.  The question still remains:  what does it mean to you "to observe the Sabbath"?

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      Say Yes To Lifeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Sabbath for me was a day to attend church activities and avoid anything secular. In a way it was a day of rest, because the pace slowed. Being disillusioned from joining a cult, I no longer attend church or keep Sabbath.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      1Co 13:8 Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with.
      These gifts were given to further Jesus ministry .
      But would end.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Did Scripture not say "WILL BE?"  Why do you say "WOULD BE" as if it has happened?

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine the talking in tongues was just a valuble gift to talk to people instantly from another languageWe all speak and communicate easy with no translator.
      Each nation has access about Jesus and his ministry. Gift to speak without education ended

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      What r u saying? Gift of tongues not today? Scripture says He's "the same yesterday, today & forever" so who told u diff? Get out of flesh. Tongues r Spiritual!  Aren't we "furthering Jesus' ministry?" Man needs to tell man or Scripture LIED!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you reason one way , you read only one translation from the 1600's , you will not consider Hebrew and Greek meanings which Jesus himself read from.
      
      They existed before catalog the bible.
      You preach but your infomation is not all correct

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: From Scriptures you've been quoting, ours gives same message! Under NC, no more LAW, After the Cross, follow Apostles' doctrine Acts 2:42 or Gal 1:6-9!  What's diff?
      I don't worry about diff translations HS will reveal!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Norine it is the holy spirit the words are there, the very things you do not care about is the very thing that makes what you teach wrong. Again if there is a lie envolve the truth is tainted, the cross taints.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: "Minute!" "THE MSG" is what's important not "the object!" U hung up on "the letter!" If I brought u $1 mil, does it matter how?  Just bring it!  Same as w/Jesus dying! Doesn't matter how,  He DID! Don't u understand?

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Norine ,it does matter greatly because that is a lie,  and satan is the Father of the lie, Joh 8:44 , we must worship
       in truth, John 4:24 says so.
       Why do you believe different.
       Faithful in small things , are faithful in large
       Details matter.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       K&T: JESUS spoke of ppl like u!  Read II Cor 3:6-18 "..not of the "letter," but of the Spirit, for the ltr killeth.." READ ON!   BETTER COV! 
       
       People BLIND!   Look carnally! 
       LORD have mercy!   READ!
       
       I love you K&T & desire NO ONE IS

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   firework23posted 9 years ago

   Jesus did NOT come to do away with the Law but to fulfill it. Basically in the old covenant it was not possible for sinful man to follow the Law...hence the sacrificed animals to compensate. This just wasn't enough to save them. When Christ sacrificed His pure and perfect self He brought an acceptable sacrifice to the Father for the forgiveness of our sins. His perfect blood covers us. The Law has not been done away though...it has merely been transferred from the stone tablets into our hearts. I am not speaking of ordinaces here just the 10 Commandments. I'm sorry but I see nothing in the Bible saying the Sabbath is done away with and I see no reason why (when God does not change) He would suddenly make the 7th day (Sabbath) regular like all other days when He consecrated it and made it holy in the beginning. Like Rich says, I do not see how one could keep Sabbath holy every day when it requires not working or buying and selling. This does not seem feasible. Not to sound like I'm on the attack but your repeated arguments do not add up.
   
   For example, how do you know Paul is referring to others eating specific things, celebrating certain holidays. He easily could also have meant others would get on their case for what they are following. You also have set a sad example of yourself on this post by condemning others. Hiding behind your pulled interpretation of the Bible does not give you that right. Please have more decency toward others. It is fair to judge but only righteously which means with respect, humility, and truth. It also means without arrogance, anger, hypocrisy, or any sort of self focus. I really enjoyed what you had to say on your post and would really like to see more of that part of you :-)
   This is directed toward Norine.
   God bless you dear.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Fire: Space limited! Email me!

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      Perspycaciousposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus also said, and many here seem to agree, "Is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the Sabbath, to save a life or to kill?"  and by restoring a man's withered hand, answered his own question.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Demas:  YES! Verse given UNDER THE LAW (Mk) "..Do good or harm on Sabbath.."  So no "rest!" Just doing "good!" EVERYDAY! Holy Spirit NEVER "rests!" Can't u see Jesus "FULFILLING" Sabbath? 
      
      Consider Rev 7:15? R we not "striving 2 b?" But Col 2:16

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Mat 5:19  "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: FIRST "The Gospels" UNDER LAW which were "fulfilled!" Laws NOW "SPIRITUAL" (Rm 7:6) being "put n hearts & minds!"  Jer & Heb spoke of NC! Did "Christ die in VAIN" (Gal 2:21)?

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      "but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
      Keep them and teach them to be great in the kingdom of Heaven/God. That Kingdom isn't fulfilled yet, teach them keep them.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: If u would understand the diff dispensations u would "understand" The Gospels were written BEFORE law fulfilled. Laws (commandments) NOW being "put n minds & hearts (Jer & Heb)!  Holy Spirit is ALIVE & talks to us giving "laws" w/no

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   celafoeposted 9 years ago

   the Sabbath was given to the nation of Israel and passed with the fuflfillment of the law by Christ on the cross and His resurrection.
   Christians are not called to follow the Sabbath (neither Saturday or Sunday as men teach).      The new testament, our book,  says all days are equal, we are to worship Him EVERY DAY not just on 1.  WE are to FOLLOW CHRIST daily and not some man once or twice a week.
   So the answer is it means nothing to us.

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      Perspycaciousposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I am still praying for you, my privilege, and it's good to know you worship by word and deeds every day.  By your answer, I suspect you meant to write: "So the answer is it means nothing to me."

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      dj    please do not pray for me ,   No, I should have said it means nohting to a true disciple of Christ

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      AGREED!  "Everyday is Sabbath Day" to a true Disciple of Christ! 
      
      DJ: Pray for understanding of reasons why Jesus died; 1 to send Holy Spirit which "guides" everyday. IF Holy Spirit "guides" (& gives MERCY) EVERYDAY, Sabbath EVERYDAY!

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      No scripture states the Sabbath God created and made Holy is gone because Jesus lives. The Sabbath is Holy by God. Entering the rest of Christ has nothing to do with the day God made Holy and rested on. Six days you work one you don't even in Christ.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: I want to be like those in Rev 7:15="day & nite.." yet Col 2:16 says "Let  no man ...judge u...or of a sabbath day.." "Your belief!" Read Rm 14 tells why!  What r Saints doing in heaven n Revelation 7:15? "Day & Nite!" Aren't we strivin

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      No scripture states the Sabbath God created and made Holy is gone because Jesus lives. The Sabbath is Holy by God. Entering the rest of Christ has nothing to do with the day God made Holy and rested on. Six days you work one you don't even in Christ.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Rich, did you forget that all are not Jews that are followers of Jesus , that is why circumcision was no longer required to others who followed Christ , also the eating of unclean animals ,Ac 11:9. ALL was for the Jews, but Jesus improved the law.

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      1Jn 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
      This is for Jews and Gentiles.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Rich NOTICE What Paul says,
      Ga 5:4 You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be declared righteous by means of law; you have fallen away from his undeserved kindness.
      The reason is that Jesus was greater then animal sacrefices
      God's Son

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       PlanksandNailsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       God's grace and His Law are two sides of the same coin. The Law defines our expected behavior, and God's grace provides forgiveness when we don't live up to that standard. Grace doesn't nullify the Law, it compliments it. (Matthew 5:17)

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       P&N & Rich: I see NOTHING but ppl trying to live under BOTH Covenants!(Gal4) Why? Grace "compliments" law? Where in Scripture? Law=bring animal! NOW=JESUS' blood! LAW=GONE! 10 Commandments="Schoolmaster"=Gal 3:24-25!LAW NOW Spiritual! Rm 7:6!

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       PlanksandNailsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       The ceremonial law/handwriting of the ordinances Col 2:14, Ephesians 2:15 were abolished, not God's eternal moral laws. Without knowing God’s divine moral laws, we would not know what sin is. Revelation 12:17;14:12
       
       http://hub.me/ajm5I

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       P&N: What r God's "eternal moral laws?" Ten Comm (Gal 3:24-25) - YES!   Other "laws" (commandments) "Spiritual" (Rm7:6) "put n hearts & minds" via Holy Spirit  (Rm 7:7-14) & EXCEEDS "Stone!"
       
       You should have called "internal laws"
       
       ALL

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    flpalermoposted 9 years ago

    Why do we keep Sunday.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/AttilaKakarott … 217933845/

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!  What I've been saying "Man" (Catholic/Religion) is GOD'S WORST ENEMY!  Satan has devised "Religion" TOOL to LOSE as MANY souls as possible & WE continue to let him (Satan) reign by not STUDYING (II Timothy 2:15)! Don't be DECEI

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       Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       RICH , We would not want to be like lots wife looking back on something we are not under in law,  because Jesus value is much greater priceless is the case. He paid for generations of people, living and none living,if people desire ok, not required

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Rich: Read Col 2:14-23! 16&20 particularly! Why worry unless u don't praise Him EVERYDAY (which it seems u do)!  NO SABBATH under NEW COVENANT! 
       
       "Teachings" KILL!

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