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If YOU believe a lie and call it truth, then what do you do when....

  1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
    quietnessandtrustposted 8 years ago

    If you believe a lie for a given period of time and then find out the truth about it and realize you believed a lie all along and all the while called it "your truth"...

    then how do you know that what you now call "your truth" is in fact not another lie with a different suit on?

    Does "your truth" contain any lies?

    After all...you use to believe something that you called "your truth" and found out that part of it was a lie.

    So, does "your truth" and the truth line up?

    Also, does truth originate with you?
    If not, why do you call it "your truth" ???
    Do you own it? Did you create it?

    Or did you find it?
    If you find what you think to be the truth and then find out it is a lie...how can you then trust yourself afterwards that you now have found the truth...because you have already proven yourself to be a liar...probably many times over. big_smile

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      Brenda Durhamposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Depends on what the subject is.

      There are some Truths that simply are eternal and universal and unshakeably solid.
      Those are the ones worth believing.


      My father once said "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see."   speaking naturally.

      Speaking Spiritually, he held to those unshakeable Truths confirmed by the Holy Spirit,  such as "Let God be true, but every man a liar."

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I resent your implication Brenda that I am a liar.

    2. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      All this issues only happen to people who believe in a God.
      I don't question my truths, as they're changing all the time.
      People that grow mentally and spiritually have different truths as long as they keep growing.
      And by spiritually , I don't mean believers in God.
      One can be 'spritual' in many ways that don't imply believing in a God.

      1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
        quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        If your truth is always changing, it was not and is not real truth at all.

        Truth does not change, move or adjust.

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Really ?
          At 20 you can think something is the truth. and then at 40 you changed it. Because your experience tells you ,you were wrong.
          And so on.If you think a truth is unamovable,you haven't grown up.
          The Truth doesn't exist. All the Truths are relative. And they work for each individual accordingly.

          1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
            quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            When you are 20, 40, 60 or 80...real truth was always there, it did not change, you changed your mind because you realized you believed a lie at an earlier age.

            You cannot change the truth, you are the one who changes your mind, the truth does not move, it is stationary and remains as such until you find it...we are the ones who move towards it or away from it.

            Truth is not relative...Truth changes not...people change.

            1. Jewels profile image84
              Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              There is truth, and there is Truth - the Absolute.  The Absolute is unchangeable and is only found when all the untruths of the mind are discerned, deciphered and deconstructed, which is why the truth (lower t) is ever changing until the Absolute is reached.  Which is found within oneself - call that the God within if you like.

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Interesting statement. big_smile

                Hi Jewels.

                How are you today?

                1. Jewels profile image84
                  Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Fine thanks Cagsil. Yourself?

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Not bad. Thank you for asking.

            2. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              So then,
              What's the real truth ?
              If you don't have the answer, and you don't, real truth doesn't exist

              1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
                quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                What is the real truth?

                Just that...it is real, always real, always truth, no lie in it at all, truth is not subjective, truth does not originate with people, truth stands alone and can be sought out by someone with a desire to find truth.

                So again, the real truth is real and not mine or yours as no human owns the truth, nor did it originate with them.

                1. tantrum profile image61
                  tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes !
                  And you can't see it, you can't live it, you can't learn from it, you can't give it, nor receive it. NOTHING
                  Is only IDEALISM
                  You don't have the answer.
                  Get real !

                  1. Jewels profile image84
                    Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    So would it be the idealism within yourself that is the truth at any given time?

                  2. quietnessandtrust profile image59
                    quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    If that is your definition of truth, okay then.

                    It seems pretty small and subjective.

                    As I have said...the truth does not originate with me...it stands alone.

        2. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Agreed. Truth doesn't change. Aspects of Life changes, which adds new truths.

          1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
            quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            "adds new truths" ?

            I think they were always there, as yet unrevealed until the one searching for truth found them sitting right where they had always been.

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Okay, I'll even agreed with that. Simply because science makes new discoveries, which alters our objective reality, therefore bring in new truths to life.

    3. shazwellyn profile image44
      shazwellynposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      the psychology stance on this is that when a conflict in a belief (or 'your truth') it has a fundamental affect on the psyche.  The mind, sort of, goes into overdrive.  People suffer mixed feelings.. depression, anger,disbelief etc.  The person is literally breaking down.  Once broken to the base, then the repair can start.  People go through a period of reasoning until they have found a 'new truth' that they can reason with.

      Does that make sense?

      1. Bovine Currency profile image61
        Bovine Currencyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Makes sense to me, not the way I would put it but makes sense.

        p.s. hot photo tongue

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          That's okay, it made sense to me too, and it's not the way I would have put it either. lol

          Agreed on the hot photo. lol lol lol yikes tongue

        2. shazwellyn profile image44
          shazwellynposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Ditto babes... your photo is a shade too high though! lol

          1. Bovine Currency profile image61
            Bovine Currencyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I'll get a new one, give me time tho smile  I tart myself up real nice for you.

            1. shazwellyn profile image44
              shazwellynposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              well I really need to shower!

    4. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well - judging from the amount of religionists who attack science and scientists for bringing new knowledge to light which proves the lies in the bible are lies - it appears that most people who are ignorant enough to think they have the Truth - merely defend it aggressively in tha face of actual facts.

      Me - I am prepared to be flexible in what I consider to be the truth as I am aware that my perception of this changes over time. I do not have an absolute truth. And certainly am not arrogant and ignorant enough to claim to have the Truth. wink

      Because that just causes conflict and wars.

      Like wot jeebus wants.

      1. Susana S profile image96
        Susana Sposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        It's not about lying at all - it's about choosing to grow and change in light of new information and accepting the consequences of that choice. Challenging beliefs can be painful and difficult, yet it is a healthy and mature way to approach life because beliefs are not set in stone - I believe in keeping an open mind to new information that needs to be assessed, sorted, processed, disguarded, kept. It's an ongoing process. Anyone who challenges their beliefs knows this.

        There's never a point where you think you know it all or that you can claimn truth for everyone! It's a very personal journey.

        1. shazwellyn profile image44
          shazwellynposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          yes... this is the real truth!  Love ya babes!

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Agree with you! and Susana as well !
            Hi shaz !! I C U kept the pic ! big_smile

            1. Susana S profile image96
              Susana Sposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Love all the half nudie pics BTW! lol

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          Writer Riderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Unless the information the people are giving you happens to be utterly, uniequivocally wrong.

          1. Susana S profile image96
            Susana Sposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Well in that case it would be assessed and disgarded pretty sharpish! lol

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      Writer Riderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Don't know, never lied.

    6. quietnessandtrust profile image59
      quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It appears that the thread has gotten off the topic? big_smile

      1. Bovine Currency profile image61
        Bovine Currencyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        To answer that is a hub.  Maybe you should write a hub.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      We learn line upon line, here a little and there a little. Everything takes us either one step higher, or one step lower.
      truth is truth and stands alone

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        So when we steal something and then accuse some one unjustly - what do we learn?

  2. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 8 years ago

    That made my brain hurt.

    Now to try to answer your question. If you had a belief, and that belief was changed... there must be a reason why...and a very good reason. Could the new belief be false? I guess so. But most people need a lot to believe so strongly, whether it be the first "truth" or the second.

    1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
      quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Truth be told Cole...I did not intend to hurt your brain. big_smile

      I was painful to write out. lol

  3. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    That would be this god I guess.

    "I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD.  "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die.  I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD.  "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship.  I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear.  For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars.  They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too.  So now I will destroy them!  And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do.  They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings."   (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

    What a psychotic little entity this would be! lol

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      SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Is there any chance you can answer the question that was asked to open this thread?

      You seem to have gotten off topic.

    2. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lol lol

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    Brenda Durhamposted 8 years ago

    I wouldn't listen either if I considered Him a "little entity".

    But He is God;  so yes I listen.

    It would behoove anyone to.

  5. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    I hope you are the one with the complete truth out of the 300 odd interpretations...

       If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.   (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
    Otherwise according to your god... straight to hell for you! smile

  6. quietnessandtrust profile image59
    quietnessandtrustposted 8 years ago

    Yeah a little off topic all right. smile

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      SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Only a tad though. tongue

  7. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years ago

    If The Artist Formerly Known as God offers it in this forum, it is truth.  It may not appear to be truth if you limit yourself to logical interpretation, but if you just shut that annoying little brain off for awhile, you will realize that all he says is true.  It will never turn out to be a lie, except when it does, which doesn't count cause he's The Artist Formerly Known as God.

    Clear enough?

    1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
      quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Do you have an answer to the OP ?

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Again?  Geez you're a needy little deity.

  8. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 8 years ago

    Can I be The Artist Formerly Known as Cole?

    Please!

  9. wyanjen profile image81
    wyanjenposted 8 years ago

    truth = fact

    If you suspect that what you believe may be a lie, you must investigate and learn the facts. Only fools assume smile

    "If you find what you think to be the truth and then find out it is a lie...how can you then trust yourself afterwards that you now have found the truth...because you have already proven yourself to be a liar...probably many times over. big_smile"
    No fact, no truth. Problem solved!

    1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
      quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well I see what you mean here.

      I think that people who present facts can also hide the whole truth.
      But what they present is 100% factual, albeit not 100% truthful. big_smile

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Agreed, because facts in some cases, can be subjective or open to interpretations, leading to false connection to a truth.

        1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
          quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Here is something to think about.

          You are living in Germany in 1939 and hiding Jews in your house and the Police knock on your door and ask "are you hiding Jews?"


          .....you can state the facts or tell the truth.

          What do you do? What are the facts here and what is the truth?

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            With an open mind- I would tell there was no one there. And I wouldn't be lying. I don't recognize religion. So, therefore no there are no jews in my house at the time.

          2. quietnessandtrust profile image59
            quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Anyone else have an answer?

            1. Jewels profile image84
              Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              What would I do?  I'd follow my truth at the time, which would be to tell the German NO because of both self preservation and the preservation of the people I was protecting.  That would be my truth.  In the eyes of the German's I'd be lying if they knew the truth of the situation.  But within my own conscience I have followed what I see as my truth.

              1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
                quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Seems like you are doing this out of love, which is truth.
                Love has pure truth.
                Truth goes beyond facts, if you get what I mean. big_smile

                1. Jewels profile image84
                  Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I do it out of integrity which is my truth as I see it regardless of the consequences. But I'd not be able to do this unless I had it within me.  If someone else told me to go and defend another for their own gains or their truth, I'd not do it unless I had just cause or was honoring my own truth in the process.

            2. mobilephone guide profile image61
              mobilephone guideposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              i would say "seig heil!" and then get shot.

          3. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Interesting that you would introduce Nazis into the conversation.

            1. Bovine Currency profile image61
              Bovine Currencyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              How about its late 19th century, nobody likes you or your people and your local leader tells you there is some vacant land but you know it is full of Arabs whom call it home, do you join the mob, pillage and rape, then take it as your own or do you speak the truth?

        2. wyanjen profile image81
          wyanjenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          "Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.” ~Homer Simpson

          I think "truth" as you define it does not exist. Every person has a unique point of view based on age, culture, personal experience... endless list.
          A belief is a fundamental part of any person's self identity. "Truth" can't possibly be universal, it is too personal.

          1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
            quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            How can Truth be personal as it is not subject to any person?

            1. Jewels profile image84
              Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Truth can only ever be applied personally until such time as the person takes a universal standpoint.  Truth is only ever found within yourself.  Even if someone was to say "this is the truth" (be that universal or whatever) it means naught to the person you are speaking to unless they themselves feel it is their truth.  Wasted words really to force one to believe in another's truth.

            2. wyanjen profile image81
              wyanjenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              When you say "your truth", it is personal. "your truth" is what I'm saying can't be universal.

              "Truth that is not subject to any person" does not exist.

              1. Bovine Currency profile image61
                Bovine Currencyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Truth that is not subject to any person is called reality.

          2. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Truth is universal, providing each person is aware of it.

            Example: Truth- there is not a cure of cancer.

            Is that subjective? No. Is it an absolute? Right now it is. Will a cure ever be found? Who knows, but as of right now- it doesn't exist.

            Therefore the statement is truth.

            1. Jewels profile image84
              Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              And the truth changes, as there are now cures for some cancers.

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, but I would rather say that the truth evolved, through discovery.

                1. Jewels profile image84
                  Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  If that's the way you want to word it, sure.  We change through our experiences.  Our truth also changes in line with our own experiences. Unless you're a mute and don't take any notice!

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    lol lol lol lol

  10. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 8 years ago

    Truth can change. Just like people can.

    1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
      quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Examples please big_smile

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        My belief is that I will love him forever. That is my truth. So I will take a vow to prove my love.

        But if he cheats on me, I will chop off his balls and kick his ass to the curb.

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          lol

        2. quietnessandtrust profile image59
          quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Well then your belief was never a real truth to begin with because the truth is that people cheat on people, so your truth was an illusion. big_smile

          ~No offense Cole

    2. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So true !

  11. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 8 years ago

    The truth never changes but our perceptions of what that truth is constantly changes. If you have never felt like you were smarter or wiser than you were five years earlier then you are probably mentally stagnant. When that happens we really BELIEVE that we are as smart as we think that we are.
    And if that is what you are thinking then you need to think about that some more.... Think about that.

    1. Jewels profile image84
      Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That's allot of thinking there! smile

      1. Jerami profile image72
        Jeramiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

           Yea maybe.  I've been thinking about startin a new habit

        1. Jewels profile image84
          Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah, but be careful, too much thinking gets you into trouble.  But without it.............

  12. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 8 years ago

    I believe in the evolution




                of thought.

    1. Jewels profile image84
      Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      This is what makes me like you Jerami!  You say wonderful things sometimes lol

      1. Jerami profile image72
        Jeramiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I like you too caus you are always doing that.

        1. Jewels profile image84
          Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Nice to hear. Don't always get kind words around these parts!! smile

          1. Jerami profile image72
            Jeramiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               That is cause there is too many people that think that everything has got to be either or.

    2. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      One step further.....evolution of the mind's next step forward.

    3. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hi jerami !!! smile
      When you're right, you're right !! big_smile

  13. mobilephone guide profile image61
    mobilephone guideposted 8 years ago

    truth? like electric signals to the brain?

  14. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 8 years ago

    Seems like I do a lot more thinkin when my mouth ain't movin If I wana quit thinking I'll have to talk more and that is when it seems that I get in the most trouble

    1. Jewels profile image84
      Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I think the best thinkers have small mouths.smile

  15. Bovine Currency profile image61
    Bovine Currencyposted 8 years ago

    the author is dead.  opinion is fact.  My opinion is always right and if you disagree then we are not so different, are we?

  16. Bovine Currency profile image61
    Bovine Currencyposted 8 years ago

    Objective truth... another fairy tale.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Why don't we create a fairy tale ? big_smile

      1. Bovine Currency profile image61
        Bovine Currencyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I thought we were tongue

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          big_smile

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Good night! CU "morrow, baby ! big_smile

            1. Bovine Currency profile image61
              Bovine Currencyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              night cutey big_smile

  17. mobilephone guide profile image61
    mobilephone guideposted 8 years ago

    the truth is... i love lemon juice, pineapple too...

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Man, you look really familiar....

      ..can't quite place it.

  18. profile image0
    A Texanposted 8 years ago

    Here is some truth!

    Y'all spend way too much time trying to define the undefinable!

    1. Bovine Currency profile image61
      Bovine Currencyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      MMMooOOoooooo

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        A Texanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Moooooooooooorooooooooooon

        1. Jewels profile image84
          Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          It was full only a few nights ago. Did you sleep well or did the dogs keep you up?

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            A Texanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Words are your friend,put the letters together and experience the delight of reading.

            1. wyanjen profile image81
              wyanjenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              lol lol

              sorry again. Hi Jewels

              1. Jewels profile image84
                Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Hi there friend. smile

            2. Jewels profile image84
              Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Ohhhhhhhhhhh my mistake MORON! lol

          2. quietnessandtrust profile image59
            quietnessandtrustposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Did you mis the "R" in his moooooooooooooooon ?

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              A Texanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Jewels misses quite a bit

              1. Jewels profile image84
                Jewelsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Hard to miss you you big Texan. smile

    2. wyanjen profile image81
      wyanjenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Is that your spiritual truth, or your interpretation of the facts?

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        lol lol

        I'm sorry, I had to laugh. lol

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        A Texanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Sorry, can't drag me into this bit of insanity

        1. wyanjen profile image81
          wyanjenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          lol
          Who is to say what is sane?

          sorry, I've been listening to Pink Floyd again.

  19. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    Finding a new truth only makes you a liar if you have been flogging an old truth.

    People should be prepared to learn and change what they believe in light of better information.

  20. shazwellyn profile image44
    shazwellynposted 8 years ago

    bump

  21. cheaptrick profile image71
    cheaptrickposted 8 years ago

    I seek the truth!
    "when I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse
    out of the corner of my eye
    I cannot put my finger on it now
    the child is grown
    the truth is gone
    and I have become
    comfortably Numb".


    Truth is one of the abstracts in life,it can be shaped and formed,loved and hated,used for good or evil.I have heard"the truth will set you free"It sure does but usually it hurts like Hell first.

  22. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 8 years ago

    you can join the club, whenever you're ready ! big_smile

    1. Bovine Currency profile image61
      Bovine Currencyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Do it, we know you wanna

  23. ddsurfsca profile image74
    ddsurfscaposted 8 years ago

    I say it is your lie, you can tell it any way you want...It is up to the listener to decide if he believes it or not.  Does everyone believe everything they are told?

 
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