The roof is caving and the gates are crumbling,
Watch as the religious run scattering and fumbling.
Is evolution the devil, are we all from ape's?
I thought animals were allowed in heavens gate.
The biblical lies could only last so long,
It's time for preachers and Jesus to write a new song.
Don't be sad, the lies need attention,
Will there be sanity or chaos in the fall of religion?
There's no reason Jesus should write a new "song". The one He did write is perfect and beautiful!
..Preachers, maybe yeah they need to edit some of their stuff!
And yes religion may fall. But Faith never will.
Writing one song is not enough. Sing that one for the rest of your life and pretend you're not bored. That's why there's more than one kind of flower, more than one kind of dog, more than one kind of human.
Sing me a new song. I don't know if I'll like it, but I'll take over being bored to death over hearing the same thing over and over. That's human nature. We want a certain consistency for safety and routine and we want variety so we don't get bored.
You would need the help of the antichrist, so there will be chaos.
You aren't strong enough to maintain your faith without religion?
From what I can tell you don't know anything about faith or the people who possess it. You may proclaim you do but , you don't. You and your cronies need to quit reading those philosophy pamplets you buy at the flea market.
Of course I am. The church is the people, they make up the religion. You are going to have to do away with what, about 80 to 90% of the people on this planet if you want to do away with religion. That is quite the holocaust that you have planned. Does your doctor know about your plan? It seems you are a bit out numbered at this time, that's why I said you will need the help of the antichrist.
I didn't say kill off the religious, I said kill the conscience governing belief system. You don't have to kill the believers to kill the system. lol
Well that's what you would have to do. The church is the people, they make up the religion, maintain the churches with their offering and is where every dollar comes from for the many charities they support.
So do you still have plans for your holocaust?
I don't know about you, but I think it's pretty sick for religion/government to form a mythical belief that entrap some believers minds for their entire lives. I don't think it's right for people being lied to, even if they are content. Your belief is the holocaust, not mine. Belief is made to learn and grow, not stay the same. How often does your belief book change?
I don't believe religion is falling just like I don't believe that those who do not believe are growing weaker either, what I believe is that we are becoming more divided instead of listening and learning from each other. By the wa nice poem.
Thank You AEvans, I always appreciate you reading and commenting. Would you say more people are starting to individualize?
I believe more are starting to individualize and more are questioning but that is why we all have minds, all of us can make our own decisions isn't it nice we have choices?
The entire Buddhist monk's life is but a preparation,
For his Death Point or moment of separation.
The Jains have santhara,
Quitting life consciously to join with the paramatma.
Hindus go into Samadhi,
Where there is no Congress, Shiv Sena , BJP or Samajwadi.
The Christian merges with the Holy Spirit,
Peace, no more desperate.
The Sufi mystic to become one,
Dances, twirls, prays, trances to get the job done.
Aghora means Illumined with Light,
Longing for Shiva in whom they delight.
Shamanism or the Art of Ecstasy,
The ultimate being one with the super entity.
There is no need to change your faith,
And on your old religion lay a wreath.
Religions are mans poor attempt to politicize God's will. There is one problem in that scenario. The corruption that inevitably ensues in any political endeavor.
Corruption! Thats a laugh! Just make sure you look up otherwise it may land on you.
No, they are one of the most fundamental ways of forming communities.
I really don't know what to say to you
Religious debates cause much hullabaloo
There's for and against and no in-between
And much is below the iceberg, unseen
They fight and they row, they snap and they snarl
Most days it becomes a free for all brawl
I'm really unsure why they don't all agree
To live and let live - so that we're all free
Of the religious text, that's always on show
That makes most shake their heads and shout out NO!
Not more of the same - ohhhh there can't be a God
Because surely he'd smite the athiest squad.
KUDOS! I would normally say AMEN, but I don't dare!
Marine you spoke truth but not exactly the way you would like to think.
You see the death of all hypocrisy is coming to an end.
And while there is much of that in religion, there is enough outside of it also.
You see all the time while religion point the world and the world point religion, none took the time to clean their own eye.
But it is understandable that religion will endure the bigger shame for the world did not presume to speak for God.
Don`t fool yourself marine.Religions head will still be raised and smiling long after you and I are gone. It`s been here 20 centuries,it`ll be here 20 more.
The Fall Of Religion?
It's been happening for about 30 years now.
More and more people are not interested in Religion, because of what they see happening. There are some people who simply believe in God, but have no religious affiliations whatsoever.
So, religion is dying already. Less and less students of religion exist. When I say student, I mean they study and enact the doctrines in their life. Nothing like the average person, who possibly goes to church once a week. Or confession once a month.
Religion was debunked and defunked, a history book and a mythology book, combined to tell a great tale. Ever since, the 70's, religion has been slowly losing followers, because people(society) is evolving beyond foolish notions and mystical inclinations.
Am I sad to see it go? No. Do I care what happens when it's gone? Sure, because by the time it has been completely realized by the World, that God doesn't exist- then maybe they will look to themselves, use their integrated mind, for something more than petty routine of daily living, and do something to make the world a better place, instead of complaining about it and placing blame on others.
YES, I'll be glad when it's gone. The world will be a much better place, because of NEW WAY of thinking will evolve out of it.
When Religion falls ..... God will stand so tall that all eyes will then be able to see him in all of his glory.
That's what you need to learn how to say WITH feeling.
If only you traveled in the shoes I walked the path with, then and only then, can you tell me anything.
You don't know. My shoes are probably tore up as much or MORE than yours. We just don't know what you don't know,
You might as well say you only listen to yourself.
Where has your head been fellow? Religion is growing in leaps and bounds all over the world.
Cags, you do design for hire? You are a graphic artist, yeah?
promote critical thinking. try not to provoke religions, the more you provoke the more it fights. it will die on its own. however, beliefs never will die and will spring another set or kind of "religion"
Went to your profile and checked out your stuff. You seem kind of high strung.Maybe should name you Thunder from Down Under.
holy crap. is this what happens atheists get the dry heaves?
The Bird Lady’s fond of all pigeons.
So much that she’d start a religion.
She’d call, “Kitty-coo,”
From under the poo
Which weighed much on her final decision.
Above from a hub I wrote earlier this year and pretty much sums up my estimation of religions and most other institutions and political systems.
I don't believe religion is falling. Such institutions have devout followers pouring billions into insuring their continued existence. If religion were falling, we would would see lower numbers, less influence peddling, and much, much less war. (War seems to be about religion or political ideologies.) But we see more militant followers of established religions, and the detractors are bent on "new brands" of religion that support whatever fashion of thinking is in vogue. However, that doesn't mean that many of us will accept or embrace any religion. It's just a reflection of how many people feel incomplete or not whole in and of themselves.
Whatever there may be which is greater than us, is not about an organization built on the egos and dogmas of a man's imagination. Being aware of what may be greater than us is the first step in becoming whole, I believe. One must be aware that there is something greater than him/herself. And some do not ever subscribe to that thinking, which I do not believe is either right or wrong. Awareness or unawareness does not determine whether or not a person is good or bad.
But I do believe that religion is an unnecessary middle man.
If you need any evidence that religion is falling, turn the radio onto conservative talk and listen for a day. The religious openly acknowledge that religion is falling. I agree with pretty much everything else you wrote.
WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!!
Back away from talk radio, and no one gets hurt. The hype, fear and hate mongering on talk radio is endless. How could anyone listen to it and believe a syllable.
The Catholic church ain't fallin'. I see no cracks. Too much money in that one and so many others. People fall, Chruches just collect more money.
It certainly does appear that religions are having trouble keeping their flocks as more and more people become informed and educated, especially with the advance of the internet. I've seen many people join forums as a believer and soon afterwards give up their faiths as they begin to understand their folly.
Islam appears to be following the same route as Christianity, with surges of violence and internal conflict that we saw in Christianity 4-6 centuries ago.
Of course, with the passing of the law earlier this year in the UN that makes defaming religion a human rights violation, we have stepped back to the Bronze Age, hopefully only temporarily.
Thanks, I didn't know that (Q).
So basically all you militant atheists and the ones in here that attack religion are committing a UN human rights violation.
I wonder if HubPages realizes that. It doesn't seem like it.
Yes, in fact, it was the result of several Islamic countries that pushed through the vote. Christians should be very worried about that as it takes us one step closer to an Islamic worldwide state.
Defaming and attacking are two different things, a realization you'll have if you look up their definitions in a dictionary.
Perhaps it is wrong to pop on with a comment, if so I apologise up front. I have heard that 3 churches a day in America close their doors. Again, just adding a thought, Holly
Those would be congregations. That makes perfect sense. However, as I stated before, I don't see any financial cracks in the Catholic church and many others. Shutting doors is different than going out of business. It's extremely rare for a church to go out of business. They're usually just remodeling their "truth" to fit current trends.
And the truth never changes.
Yeah, without some support I'm gonna have to file that under 'suspicious.'
God doesn't change marine. I find it a shame that others are being brainwashed into new age thought too.
Belief learns and changes, even beliefs of your God. If it didn't change, believers wouldn't leave your religion. You are the one brainwashed under the illusion you are in a favored unifying belief.
If your God doesn't need to change, why is there the OT and the NT?
If it didn't change, why didn't God kill Jesus in the beginning instead of after the trial and error?
I am very interested to see your faith get you out of this one.
There is a seamless transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Coincidentally a Jew that believes that Jesus is the promised Messiah just posted in a thread a couple of days ago that they don't even separate the Old and New Testaments but just call them the Testament. I thought that was pretty cool. I forget his name. You'd have to understand the Bible to understand your second question.
lol With all your studying, I know the bible better than you from reading it once. Can you not provide an answer?
I wanted to see your individual answer, I forgot, you don't like individual answers. So your bible answer, so we would be forgiven for our sins. Happy?
Why not kill your son sooner before so many people had to die or why kill your son at all to make a point? I don't kill my son to prove a point.
The parody I see is that all opposing religious views whether in favor of god or no god are all playing into the 'prophecy', a belief in total destruction.
One could argue that if you believe it enough, it will happen. Those opposed play right into this 'thing' which in a lot of ways negates the possibility for change.
I guess I can see things in somewhat a 'collective conscious' of humanity as a whole. Even if the entire world conformed and said okay, I will bow to god etc... what's happened over the last couple thousand years is enough to fulfill the 'prophecy' itself with out without the belief in god.
So how could you change the course of destiny? I don't see how getting rid of religion would fix the problem when religious downfall is part of the prophecy which would emphasize peoples belief in the end times prophecy.
Anyone could say, well it wont because it's not true yet it doesn't matter if it is true on not when it hasn't happened but you can take everyday into account in hindsight and see that any attempt to alter what is believed to be our future has only given credence to this 'thing'.
So what could anyone do?
"So what could anyone do?"
Just choose wisely.
Yes but will it stop the unchanging god? I don't think so because whatever it actually is, nature, Jesus, Jehovah or whatever it is you believe... all signs point to the same thing.
Total annihilation is inevitable and the best we can do is accept it and do our best to help not harm. If that means we have to cut back on our wasteful ways, then we have to cut back. If that means all religions will have to reconcile then you will have to reconcile. If it means that within a bunch that there will still be unbelievers, then regardless of what they believe, you would know that they were spared because it seems to me that the objective isn't to convert but to save life.
And I know it is too much to ask for the majority of humanity to reconcile its differences even if that was the only way to make it stop.
Also, even if it did. At this point in our history, it seems that we cannot change. We might be hopeful but the change most are looking for comes in the form of destruction.
Gandhi once said, "I like Jesus but I cannot stand a Christian." I am one to say, " I like Christians but I do not like Christianity." I could also say the same for all religions as well as atheist.
But surely, it is not enough because on hubpages alone there is a small group of people who are willing enough to change but the majority will be offended, call me the devil, say I am paranoid, tell me I am wrong, site the bible, site the Koran, site scientific journals or whatever.
But yes, chose wisely. That is the best we can do.
The only brainwashing is done on those that believe as told. I don't believe anything I read or hear as absolute, how about you?
Religion will never fall, as long as there are humans on earth
I don't understand why each person has to argue with one another it doesn't matter if one believes and another does not those are called (choices). Gentleman here is a link that better explains A vs. B. http://www.gotquestions.org/difference- … ents.html. Here is a link on why Jesus died http://www.gotquestions.org/difference- … ents.html. This does not mean that because I believe someone else has to listen, it is so that the fighting stops and the love begins between each other. Nobody will ever win in a religious forum. Remember this is only my belief and nobody else has to agree it is Christmas and I hope that all of us can get along.
How could a group of people ever work together when they are separated through belief groups? I agree no one will win because everyone is insane.
I agree ! See we figured it out which makes us both equally nuts! lolololo
Excellent! I am serious when I say it. I think the forums are excellent proof that everyone is insane in believing their belief is right, continually trying to convince others that their belief is right. Thanks for being humble enough to admit to your insanity. Maybe we would get somewhere if we strived to be sane instead of striving not to go insane. We are already insane.
Oh? People of different faiths can't work together?
Yeah exactly. People of different faiths and even no faith can work together. I have friends that don't have any faith.
The choir of heaven joyfully sings
as Jesus descends on angel wings
All will see this glorious sight
but the wicked turn- His glory too bright
The laughing, cursing and mocking shall stop
Jesus places New Jerusalem a mountain top
the mountain will crumble
the earth will quake
a crevasse exposes the fiery lake
and it will be sad when you know its too late
welcome home to your ignorant fate.
You silly prophet, tricks are for kids.
Why does your God let babies die of sids?
Is that to make us pay for our sins?
I thought your hero Jesus already died for what we did.
Threats of hell to believe is for the mind of a coward.
Too bad you are too incompetent to understand doing good for good without expecting a heavenly reward.
My people are lost from a lack of knowledge
don't have to be smart or graduate college
just listen to me, don't think you're so smart
what can you control, not even a fart.
drunk on words like logic, faith and oneself
but the drink you are serving belongs bottom shelf.
You people have masters degees from the college of faith.
Raise whatever hell you want and be hypocrites, you can all still be saved.
Just believe, believe, Jesus will forgive you for your sins.
If you did good from the beginning, you wouldn't have to pray so much in the end.
A drunk belief is a belief of faith without logic.
Will you ever seek treatment or will you continue to be a blissful alcoholic?
I think if people could separate their emotions from their belief, people wouldn't get so offended and want to kill another for not believing the same as them.
You realize that is a Muslim belief right? To not allow emotions dictate their actions; so this does not work either.
lol They submit to a God with their emotions, their belief is controlled by an emotional reward of an afterlife.
Than you understand that emotions cannot be separated from the human, right?
In Islam, it doesn't matter if they feel bad for what they did, if god said it has to be done, they will do it without or without the promise of 72 virgins especially when they believe they will have to pass through Hell first.
So, if someone says God said you have to kill your son. They might cry and hate god for asking them to do it but they will still do it.
So, maybe the problem isn't with the emotions themselves but going against what you know is right. Either way, emotions are part of the human condition and you cannot separate them.
You have no way of knowing whether someone can alter their emotions in a belief unless you are that person. "God" is built from their faith, not from logical thought. lol If they cry because they think a God wants them to kill their kid and do it anyways, they chose the emotional support of God rather than logic. You say emotions are part of the human condition and you can't separate them, do you think police officers work off of emotion or keep a logical mind while they are working?
I also wanted to add about you saying no ideas are unique or new. If that was the case, we would or may never have new science and inventions. Also, old ideas and truths would never be proven wrong. I think you are wrong and limit yourself if you believe no ideas are unique. I disagree with you, I still got love for you though. lol
Do you think it is hard to do? And is it something you do? Can you state how it is done? I am curious, Holly
To be human is to have emotion and feeling. Belief is part emotion, that's why its belief in something as compared to knowing something. I understand your point with the whole individual thing but you're beating a dead horse with this argument. Your very insistence and repetition of it, denotes emotion and borderline fanaticism, that really has no logical impulse or outcome as you know going into these threads that they end one way: you stir up things people respond you reply and on and on until someone gets mad, bored, or banned.
Where's the reasonable action distanced and detached from emotion in this thread? You're not displaying it or even approaching it. What you are doing though my friend and brother Marine is merely repeating the same "Belief" in individual reason that you always do and have begun to form it into a sort of religion itself. There is nothing individual or unique about your arguments or theories.
Did you hear that? A hammer just hit the nail on the head.
lol, I write on here to learn what others believe and how their mind works. I apologize if you don't understand wanting to learn how other beliefs work. I don't ask anyone to follow my beliefs. I think it is pretty original for me to call the bible a government god. I don't remember reading that anywhere.
"I think it is pretty original for me to call the bible a government god. I don't remember reading that anywhere."
Thats for good reason marine. Its bogus, off the wall jibber jabber with no depth, no historical or reasonable explanation.
When will you be happy with your own conclusion and leave it be?
Please man come off the BS, if you wanted to learn what others think you'd shut up and listen not call people ignorant and criticize their faith and belittle them for being illogical. You're as bad a liar as you are a listener. There's no need to play innocence or double clutch with me. I've seen your true intentions unfold on here a hundred times. Just be yourself, and be honest about what you're doing here, because we all know its not spreading love and good will.
lol What is your conspiracy theory? I'm pretty sure it is faith based. What is your logical idea of my "true intentions"? What is it I am doing here? You seem to know without asking me, I would like to hear your faithful assumptions a little further.
I don't have conspiracy theories man, this world around us is the one we make and if you don't like it then do something yourself to change it. You're the one railing on and on about the religious and government conspiracies. Here's a fresh idea how about you take some responsibility for your own life awhile and give it a rest, and stop blaming the world's issues on religion, faith, and emotion and realize you are the issue in your life. That would take some real courage, and logical thinking wouldn't it.
lol All you have are theories just like anyone else. There is a difference though, you base yours on faith without logic. I didn't ask you to read anything I write, so stop crying when I am repetitive on something. I learn something new everytime others and I post. Don't try to define logic when you have an irrational limited mind. I don't claim to know anything, I claim to know nothing in absolutes. You are the one thats so emotional in your faith.
Way to skip right past the issue and deflect it with defensive backpedaling, WOW you just showed us all how deeply logical and open minded you are...hey keep ignoring reality, whatever works for you man. PS, my theories are proven everytime you post something on here, keep up the good work, and stay behind those limits on truth.
Oh yeah wouldn't an irrational mind be free from the limits of rational thoughts and rules. Or does that conflict with your LIMITED ideas of individuality.
You don't logically explain anything you write, whats the difference? What is my limit on truth? Another assumption. You are blissfully assumptive aren't you.
hey it works for you, why can't I use it. You assume anyone who disagrees with you is illogical and limited I assume your behavior denotes a deep seated issue with narcissism and responsibility. Far be it for any one to have faith in themselves and the responsibility to dictate the direction of their life. It must be comforting behind your barricaded mind to blame all of the problems on religion and faith, then dismiss any observation that may cause you to hold yourself accountable for your own screwed up life. But hey whatever man just swat this back with some belittling of emotion and faith, then call me illogical and limited because I'm moving forward, whatever brother. Same old routine same old tired posts.
More made up assumptions, they are never ending with you. Nice theory. You have no idea of moving forward or you wouldn't make so many ridiculous assumptions. Assumptions are arrogant, you wouldn't know that would you. Where did I say emotion was bad as absolute? You are a limited mind, you limit yourself with your silly assumptions.
What is my limited idea of individuality? When did I say that belief shouldn't have emotion? I think it can have faith and logic, you didn't assume that did you. Do you posess logical thought or do you just think you do by faith?
Here let me save you some time...blah, blah, blah religion, blah, government absolutes, Blah, blah, government Bible, blah blah, you're faith is limited, blah blah, you're emotions are causing you to think again, blah, blah, logic, blah, emotion, blah, I'm right you're illogical and wrong, blah, blah my individual, non-government Bible, logic based non-faith removed from emotional government, blah, I can say it, but you can't Blah blah, i assume alot, blah blah, but its okay, blah blah, logic. Blah, it's all religions government biased Bible fed, counter emotional, logic deficient, irrational, limited fault.
And you claim intelligence. Keep assuming. Not limited huh?
You tell me, all of us limited minds are incapable of thinking beyond the scope of our emotional faith.
Don't you already know? You have faith you know everything else. I didn't say everyone, I am talking to you.
In that case, No I don't claim intelligence since it would be refuted by my limited irrational mind that precludes me from agreeing with your logical individual brain.
Another faithful ridiculous limited assumption. I don't remember ever asking you to agree with anything I have written. I actually like it better that you disagree, more is learned.
You have a very deluded and twisted take on what constitutes faith, and for someone that seems to have an aversion to it, you are quite possibly more obsessed with that word then anyone on the forums lately.
The fact that you have often repeated on this very thread that those who disagree with you are somehow limited in intelligence and rationality, and illogical and deluded is interesting in that we go to learn from those whose intelligence and reason exceeds our own. But feel free to answer with yet more smiley faces and comments about limited assumptions and irrational limitations. I have almost grown fond of them and might actually miss them were you to deny them to me. Then what would we have left to discuss
lol don't try to group yourself with everyone else. I am writing to you right now, not everyone else, stop running to the crowd. You aren't capable of logical conversation when all you do is write assumptions.
Anytime you want to talk about something logical and not your theories and assumptions about religion and government then feel free, but I'm not going to be degraded about logic coming from someone that advocates the idea that religion is made from the government. You are the one running from the glaring truth that you are the issue here, not the government, or religion, or even the Marines so stop your excuses and deflecting and address the issue, all this Bs is just a hiding place for you man, but go ahead and rattle off the same old crap about assumptions and irrationality, that's all you got, that's all you have shown yourself to be day in and out here on the forums. You start arguments with anyone who will bite, you wander all over the map when replying and you run from the heart of the problem. So whatever man its your miserable screwed up life. If you want to spend your spare time bickering with people go ahead, I have a future and some hope left, I'm sorry your anger and need to blame someone stole yours from you.
You wrote all that based on more assumptions. You are pretty predictable. And you think you aren't limited.
"Assumptions...limited... " Yeah Marine, I'm predictable, what are you if not deluded and sad. keep smiling and telling yourself it's not true whatever man.
You mean the because the Bible itself says that the integration of politics and religion is pretty much the devil.
Your thoughts are not unique. Sorry, still love you though.
I love you too! But, I disagree. Everyone's thoughts are unique until they follow anothers.
I disagree because all thoughts however unique they might feel, are derived from another. What you have here is faith. You believe that you are unique, that your thoughts are your own but they aren't.
They are shaped now matter how much you want to believe that they aren't. It's hard to get your mind around it but if you thought of it on your own, I guarantee you that I can find another who thought the same thing. Coincidence? Do you need faith to do it? Is it derived from an emotion?
Right now I bet your feeling pretty irritated but you will say otherwise.
We don't need new interpretations; We need to uninterpretate the ones that we have
There's nothing boring about God.
Except in the minds of those who don't see Him for Who he really is.
Marine, find a new cause dude. You make my head hurt, and its not because I had to think.
western civilization will probably fall before religion does, I mean how many people saw the twin towers falling before it happened?
A fairly smart man once told me to "walk away". What do you say scott?
Yep about that time, no use talking to an empty chair.
Follow me, I will give you life
Victory over sin and strife
I am the way, the truth you know
I'll make your soul as white as snow.
The enemy comes, and he goes
My love for you, forever flows
Keeping you safe, from guilt and shame
You will then have, a brand new name.
The old man gone, a new man born
To go to others and forewarn
The Lord is here! Sound the alarm!
Come grab hold of His mighty arm.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
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