Why Are Christian's So Cruel?

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   Lady Guinevereposted 13 years ago

   Not only that but how did they get that way?

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      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      They're human beings as everybody else.  Humans are cruel beings.
      Christians are not the exception.

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         earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         True, but "the devil made me do it" is a copout. )

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      Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      First, define "cruel." Second, what incident(s) led you to this conclusion? Regardless of what the Romans did or what you heard from others or what might've been written on the bathroom wall at the bus terminal, what, in fact, is your particular foundation for the question, Why are Christians so Cruel?
      
      How did "They" get that way? Who is "They?" Every single individual who ever sought Salvation or some clown with a Jesus bumpersticker who cut you off in traffic? If you plan on building a house of hate with a "Woe is Me" attitude, you oughtta at least understand and define the foundation you're planning to build it on.

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      double_frickposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      all humans can be cruel, regardless of religious beliefs.
      i think people are most often cruel for one of two reasons:
      1. feeling superior for whatever reason, though to be honest there is never a good reason to feel superior to another being.
      2. feeling inferior and trying to make others feel the same in an attempt to feign superiority. and thats called pathetic ;P
      
      as far as christians being cruel, i wouldn't generalize like that but their religion does lend itself to feeling superior to others, even fellow christians.

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      waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Because they are! and Christophers and Christines are even worse! lol!

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         Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         what about Christina's?

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            waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Oh they are the worst of the lot, burn them witches!!

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      People are naturally aggressive when they do not have confidence.  How many Christians do you know that can make a logical argument for Christianity, without getting upset or aggressive?  Understanding where the aggressiveness stems from might help some to become better aware of their actions.  The bottom line is that all negative connotations stem from fear.

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         PB_Smithposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Same holds true for non-Christians or atheist. There is a lack of confidence and certainty on both sides of the fence.
         I may post in these forums, but I steer clear of the "prove God exists" type of discussions mainly because the existence of God can not be scientifically proven or disproven, so such discussions amount to mental masturbation.
         If I'm going to masturbate, it's going to be physical, not mental.

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            IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I  never thought of it like that, but how true!  I try to steer clear of forums like that also.  They do not usually amount to good, and only leave the divided lines between the majorities more divided.  That's not the purpose of Christian discipleship and mutual respect for thy fellow man.

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         Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         There's a difference between negative connotations and making a justifiable attempt to get at the foundation of one's position. If I said I was afraid of the police because they'd beat me up without provocation it would follow that someone would make the assumption that somewhere, somehow, I'd witnessed such a thing.
         Therefore, I ask again (sans alleged negative connotation) what is the basis for the question concerning cruelty assuming of course it wasn't just a cheap attempt to develop comments and stir up trouble with unfounded statements or questions. Law enforcement has a term for that. "Heresay evidence."

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         earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Agreed. Fear is the primary emotion.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thats not a true premise, sorry.

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      AEvansposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Not all Christians are cruel, I am certainly not a cruel person at all. How do they get that way? God only knows, lololo

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      yolanda yvetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What makes you call any Christian cruel?  Is it because they passionately defend their faith?  Because they won't roll over and play dead in these forums, allowing others to walk all over them and their beliefs? 
      
      Any one can be cruel.  Yes, even Christians.  But isn't it unfair to put us all in the category of 'cruel'? 
      
      I have yet to understand why people expect Christians to be weak-kneed, timid people, then bash those who are.  We are called to be soldiers.  Soldiers had better be strong or else go home.
      
      We can be strong in our faith and at the same time love those who despise what we believe.  I don't see anything cruel about that....

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         Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Meek does not mean weak. Secondly, I wasn't weak in the Nam or for that matter all the other fun places we went before I received my DD214 and went back into society only to find yet another battle brewing. Like Joshua and any other warrior, you better be ready, willing and able to stand up for what you believe in or guess what? Perhaps you don't believe in it enough to risk taking a hit every now and then.

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            yolanda yvetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Are you referring to the comment I made about Christians being called to be soldiers?

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               Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               You were on point, Yvette. There is almost a seamless parallel between the natural military and God's Army with the obvious exception being we fight not with weapons of carnality.

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                  yolanda yvetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Meek is not weak, nor is speaking up for what we believe, regardless of offense, being carnal.

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            sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you for your service.

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      Chef Jeffposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Christians who act creully are not following their religion, and are Christians in name only.  I have met many wonderful people who are religous, and many wonderful people who have no religion at all.  I guess we tend to put people into easily indentifiable groups and expect they all act the same. Not all Conservatives are Sarah Palin fans and not all Liberals think the world of Barack Obama.
      
      Within each group there are many exceptions.  Those who condemn you with cruelty are just being cruel people, regardless of their claim of religious belief.
      
      Cheers!
      
      Chef Jeff

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       dyonderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Fun reading through all the back and forth.
       Any 'club' holding a deep seated 'truth' that all non-members will suffer for all eternity the fires of 'hell' could be construed as cruel.
       Seen as a whole many religions are cruel in their judgement of those not believers. Christianity's the new kid on the block compared to many, so its transgressions come to the forefront of many minds
       Uganda (present)
       America (historically)
       South America (historically)
       Spain (historically)
       England (historically)
       Individually, many who follow the christian faith are quite decent, having an compassionate insight many lack. However, like many 'clubs', when power over another is sought human rights (individual) fall by the wayside - thus yielding cruelty.

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   cheaptrickposted 13 years ago

   I think the Romans started the ball rolling...

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      Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Roman soldiers flogged Jesus and carried out the crucifixion, thats something to think about

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         Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Do the history. The Romans fed Christians to the lions for sport and amusement. Hence, not only were they not classified together, they weren't on each other's Christmas list, either.
         
         So, how do the actions of the Romans define the alleged cruelty attributed to Christians when it was the Roman who in fact executed the acts of cruelty and not the Christians? Just who did Judas Iscariot go to when he sold out Jesus for thirty pieces of silver? Bullwinkle? He beat a straight line to the Romans and then summarily wasted himself.
         
         I just wish, once, that people would define their foundations before making blanket statements. Unless you've met every single alleged Christian in the world, how do you purport to even ask why ALL Christians are cruel? Pontius Pilate himself, in reality, wanted no part in making any decision regarding the fate of Jesus.
         
         Curious question. Next time you're hungry, homeless and hammered who ya gonna call? Satan? You obviously won't be calling Christians as we're way too cruel to be of any help.

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            Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I think you need to re-read your babble book. According to it Judas sold your magic hero to judaist religious leaders, and it was them who decided to crucify him, not the Romans. Roman soldiers just carried the task.

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               Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Im not religious myself, but I didnt say the Romans were totally responisble in my comment did I? But you are wrong if you say they were innocent for their contribution, they still took part.

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                  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I was actually commenting on the other guy post.
                  
                  According to Senkevich Romans did feed christians to lions and did a whole lot of other cruel stuff. Those were some cruel times back then and there.

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               Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               So, what's a babble book, genius? Ultimately, the Romans did the deed regardless of who sold out who in the interim. Remember. The subject of this alleged discussion was "Why are Christians so cruel?" Someone stated the Romans got the ball rolling. So, how does one adverserial group get the ball rolling for another to take the hit for being a victim?

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            tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            when one is in trouble, hungry, homeless, etc, etc,, one asks for help regardless, creed, race or status.  Or are you going to call for helpers to do a casting to see which help are you going to accept ?

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            Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You are so right. Why are good decent Christians lump in with evil, fanatics and lunatics? Most people of all reiigions try to live out their life in peace and dont try to hurt anybody.
            People need to stop blaming the entire religion and the good people in those religion.  The fanatics and true belivers are the ones that use their religion to spread their own private hate of the world.

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               Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I was seriously considering hanging in here for a bit, but it's gone so far offtopic from the original question it has disintegrated into something else entirely. Have a great evening, everybody and I sincerely hope your 2010 is tremendous!

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         DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah because he was a criminal. And plus, they were doing their job.

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            IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            He technically broke no Romans laws....  However, the Romans were only following out the orders of a mass populace.  A mass that was clearly afraid of Christ.  Today, we see the exact same conditions and the same mentality of fear through out the world today.  If anyone doubts this, just look at the Middle East.  Are we not afraid of what they might do?  What they are capable of?  Are we not of afraid of what we do not understand?  It is no different.

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         (Q)posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Considering that the Romans flogged and crucified a great many people including non-Christians, don't you thing that's carrying the grudge a little too far?

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   incomenewsposted 13 years ago

   You must have had a bad experience with Christians in order for you to come to such a conclusion..

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   Sally's Troveposted 13 years ago

   Christians aren't cruel.  Some Christians are.  Just as some brunettes or weight lifters are.  Then, there's Nazi Germany where all Germans were perceived as cruel.  But, many Germans under Nazi rule followed conscience and not fear.
   
   LG, I wonder why you posed this question?

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   Lady Guinevereposted 13 years ago

   Sally's Trove just take a look at those who lie about me through the hubs, not the forums, the HUBS.

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I have no Idea of what is what ... But it has been my experience that people that gossip about others instead of being up front are aware of their own shortcomings and try to elevate themselves by tearing someone else down. 
       
         When we are start hating we all too often become worse than the things that we are hating. Maybe that is what they have done. BLESS  their tiny little shriveled up hearts.

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      Jane@CMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It is sad someone would lie about anyone in HUBS...no one really knows anyone here.

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   thepondofpondersposted 13 years ago

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      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think so !

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   habeeposted 13 years ago

   I'm a Christian, and I don't think I have a mean bone in my body, much less a cruel one! I think making broad, sweeping statements is dangerous.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ha!  I am a christian too.

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         AEvansposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You can be mean! Not trying to be rude but you can, in fact you just did it.
         So it simply goes to show that all of us intentionally or unintentionally can be mean or cruel and sometimes it isn't even intended.

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            Lady Guinevereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            That is why I didn't say some christians and that I was not left out of the equation.  I need to be fair to everyone--even if they aren't fair back.

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               AEvansposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I understand.

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      AnythingArtzyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. I too am a Christian and find it very hard to be mean or cruel but I do have to say I have been a victim of a few self proclaimed christians that felt they were above others and put on the selfrighteous airs and proceeded to pass judgement.
      
      So I have to ask...were they REALLY Christians?
      
      True Christians find it very hard to be mean for we are "Christ Like" so please don't lump but look at each person individually.
      
      "Ye shall Know them by their fruits"

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   PB_Smithposted 13 years ago

   Why are so many proclaimed atheist so vehemently anti-christian?
   I haven't been in the forums very long, but I do notice that there are some who claim to be atheist and spend most of their time in the christian or religious oriented forums.
   Why is that?
   I can't stand being around people who are drunk, does that mean I should then spend my free time in bars?
   
   Hateful people exist in all shapes,sizes,colors and creeds.

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   Mishaposted 13 years ago

   Comparing to you I am definitely genius

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      Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Really? If that's the case, then why is it so easy to pull you people off topic? I'm looking for the foundation for the initial question asked. It has yet to be exposed. It was my understanding that a question deserves a realistic answer and to do so requires the basis or foundation to get more specific and perhaps resolve the issue.

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         yolanda yvetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         What's the matter Misha, cat got your tongue?

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            Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yolanda Yvette, initiatially the question posed was,"Why are Christians so cruel?" Summarily, to answer the question it follows that there must be a basis for the statement posed as a question. Thus far, we've seen everything else but. This question could've been put to rest minus the emotional diatribes if the source of the alleged cruelty was revealed to focus the discussion and perhaps resolve it.

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               yolanda yvetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I sincerely wanted an answer from him.  Furthermore, I 'm not going to try and sugar-coat my comments.  You'll soon find that will get you nowhere here.
               
               I'm going to be myself.  I'm going to have a little fun and I'm going to try to not purposely disrespect anyone. But I notice that the people who are non-believers are all over us until we are perhaps able to hang with them, then they tend to shy away from our comments or accuse us of behaving un-Christian.

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                  Unchained Graceposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Yolanda, from the day I was born I sugarcoat nothing. There probably won't be a response from the individual in question any more than there will be a justification for the initial question. Every question and every statement has a purpose and somewhere a foundation. When it's hidden or deliberately corrupted, the obvious resultant is that perhaps there was no basis to begin with other than to instigate a non-issue.

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                     yolanda yvetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     As a brother and sister in Christ, let us not continue on with this, ok.  I was not trying to disrespect you in any way.  If I have I apologize.

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            Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Now you have to explain this idiom to me, or I can't answer your question

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               yolanda yvetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               You just did.  Thanks

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         Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         LOL Now it is better. Not sure what off-top has to do with it, but whatever.
         
         Spreading lies does not look like a realistic answer. And I can't believe for a second that minister does not know who paid to Judas, so this was not an error on your side - and I just pointed this out for you.

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    drej2522posted 13 years ago

    harsh people...harsh

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    drej2522posted 13 years ago

    deep yolanda...deep...hrmmm

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       yolanda yvetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Just as deep as your comment.

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    drej2522posted 13 years ago

    wow...two for two...on a role!
    
    (applause)

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       yolanda yvetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Goodnight.

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    drej2522posted 13 years ago

    it always does Unchained...It's almost impossible to have a serious discussion especially in a religious thread...
    
    Have a good one...

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    Valerie Fposted 13 years ago

    Why are Christians so cruel? That's assuming that Christians in general are cruel, despite cruelty being generally forbidden.
    
    So who are you calling cruel?

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       drej2522posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I'm not justifying her comment, but I think she has run into some bad experiences..with Christians in particular. Now, I grew up Catholic and so I can understand how some people view some Christians as judgmental. I'm not sure that's cruel and it definitely doesn't represent every Christian.
       
       People tend to generalize everything.

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    habeeposted 13 years ago

    Christians can be cruel. Remember the Spanish Inquisition?
    Atheists can be cruel.
    Muslims can be cruel.
    HUMANS have the capacity for cruelty.
    
    Are all members of the above groups cruel? No!

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    Lady Guinevereposted 13 years ago

    I am sorry that I haven't read the posts here, but this is definately a defanation of character on this hub that I am being drug in the mud  This hub needs to be taken down.  I don't do this lightly, but this is NOT right:
    
    http://hubpages.com/hub/Is-there-anybod … st-a-demon
    
    This is why some have left HubPages in the past.  This kind of activity needs to stop!

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       aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Lady G....
       
       If anybody (including HubCentral) cares to read my hub, which YOU have posted a link to, they will see that there has been no defamation of anybody in the hub, except perhaps Satan and demons in general.
       
       The comments have been more than active, which shows that when one stirs up demons, they get folk reacting, however again if anyone wishes to check I believe I have been more than fair, allowing all comments except two, which were made by yourself, and showed you in a bad light, and which I did not allow initially for that reason.
       
       I have now allowed both to be posted.
       
       The other commentators, who have equal free access to the comments box as you do, choose to point out what the bible states about demons, you choose to deny demons exist.
       
       It is hardly likely that bible believing hubbers will see that as anything other than error and/or heresy.
       
       As I said in one of my replies to yourself:
       
       Christ is our Intercessor, and Christ is our Judge.
       
       The hub was not written to or about you, but you seem to have taken it very personally, and if it has rung any bells with your spirit/s then sobeit.

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          Lady Guinevereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          When people accuse someone else that ehy are not a Child Of God only because they do not believe in the things that you do or that there is a council to say that I am not what I am (The Anti-Christ), that hurts.  You and your chronies may think what you wish and say what you wish but it will come back to you.
          Where in the Bible does it state that one is not the child of god if they choose not to believe in demons or Satan????  Where?  No where that I know.  It mentions them all out to get us, but it does not say anything like what you propose or those others who love to feel superior when you hurt someone else.  It wasn't anything to do with the HUB, but the GOSSIP and hurtful accusations in the comments. You may think it is funny, but I don't.
          
          I no longer follow you or SV for that matter.  I have not followed Judah's Daughter/CARRIE Bradshaw ever since she sent me nasty comment to my personal e-mail.
          
          I am done with this.  Good day.

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    tantrumposted 13 years ago

    Well, opening a thread stating Christians are cruel, can't  go anywhere, don't you think ?

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       Lady Guinevereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       What do you think?  I wrote to the HubPage team.  I have been here for 2 years now and nothing as big as this.  Some Christians are colder than ice in the artic, but this needs to be stopped.  All they get is a slap on the wrist while those of use who are trying to do good get dragged in the mud and their characters destroyed.  You had your say in the hubs and you got banned for harly nothing.....

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          tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, I know that. But fanatics are fanatiss. They can't help it. And Atheists are not what 'society' likes, so ...
          But I wouldn't go so far as to say someone's character can be destroyed in a forum.
          And the mud, is virtual .
          I learned a lesson. there are a lot of false, petty people here. Better not to pay attention to them.

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             DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I presume American 'society'. In Britain Atheism is far more widespread

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                tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                You presume right. Lady G and HP are American. So I'm talking about their society.

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                aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                "In Britain Atheism is far more widespread"
                
                Which is perhaps why the country is in such a mess?

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                   tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   
                   
                   Really ??
                   
                   
                   
                   

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             Lady Guinevereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I don't get it---I said in HUBS not forums and everyone still says that it is in FORUMS.  It is in the HubPage that I just posted.  I am going to be off here today.  This is rediculous!

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                tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                But in hubs, you practically can say whatever you want! and you're not oblige to read them. In the forums is personal.
                i'm sorry I didn't understand what you were talking about. as you were saying I was banned for  hardly nothing, I infer you were talking of forums as well-

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                   Lady Guinevereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Not really.  There have been hubs taken down before.

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                50 Caliberposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Is that a promise? I hope so!

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    prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago

    misconceptions and categorizing people is not just fair, I am a Christian and I am not mean

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    Will Bensonposted 13 years ago

    One of the posts in this thread ended with...
    
    "People tend to generalize everything."
    
    Yogi couldn't have said it better. (sorry, I just couldn't resist)

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    tantrumposted 13 years ago

    Something good came  out from all this mess.
    I went to aguasilver's hub and enjoyed the reading! the comments as well.

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    Sanctus Vesaniaposted 13 years ago

    The hub, (and anyone whose read it can see) was not written to attack anyone.  The comments were going fine, and then LG steps in, and starts on this whole 'Satan and his demons don't exist, but I know the Holy Ghost exists!'
    
    Something that I called her out on, and she got mad.  Now she wants the hub taken down.
    
    You're being way too sensitive LG.
    
    Now I'm out of here.  Drive by commenting.

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    jimflint6posted 13 years ago

    First there is a difference between a true Christian and a religious person.  True Christians will do everything they can to live like Christ. There are a lot of religious people sitting in the church pews that do not really know Christ as their personal Saviour. I can say this because I know from personal experience. I should, I have been a minister of the Gospel for 34 years. The sad part of it is most people mistake religion for Christianity. There is a major difference. Religion is DEAD and Christianity is EXCITING and ALIVE. There is never a dull moment. It doesn't always mean that we never have ups and downs because we do. We also know who to turn to in our time of need. As I am writing this I am going thru a very trying time. I have not made a paycheck since September 23, 2009. I lost my job on December 31, 2009. Yet I have a peace that passes understanding. I helped families at Thanksgiving and Christmas that did not have food. I gave out of my need and did not mind sacrificing one bit. I knew God would take care of my needs. A true Christian will sacrifice themselves even when they are in need. I hope this helped with your question.  Just remember everyone that calls themselves a Christian isn't, even though sometimes they truly think they are. There is a drought of true biblical teaching in the world today.  Many ministers are afraid to teach the Word in its fulness because they are afraid they may lose their large donors or it may offend someone.

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