What is a "Spiritual" person?
- Will Bensonposted 15 years ago
0I pity your ignorance.
Sometimes it is simply the truth.
Thanks for your answer.
I think things like treating others fairly, and feeling connected with natural things are inborn and shared regardless of our belief systems.
What?
What?
- ralwusposted 15 years ago0
- Will Bensonposted 15 years ago0
- Will Bensonposted 15 years ago0
Will Benson wrote:
Thanks for your answer.
I think things like treating others fairly, and feeling connected with natural things are inborn and shared regardless of our belief systems.
Lynda Gary wrote:
I don't know (unless I missed your point.) I'm working with a young man right now who does not feel that "connectedness" to anything or anyone. So, IS it inborn and innate, or is it learned?
Will Benson wrote:
I guess I was thinking of some posts in this forum and elsewhere that pondered whether atheists have a personal motivation to act ethically or morally, since they're not reined in by religious beliefs.
I believe that morality and connectedness are probably part of our inborn nature...probably genetic, since it probably increases our evolutionary survival advantage.
When we are overly stressed and depressed we often feel isolated, but hopefully you can motivate your client back to a feeling of being normally "connected." Good luck. - Will Bensonposted 15 years ago0
goldenpath wrote:
"...Just like schooling and work, all knowledge and happiness requires effort, study and application. There is really no way around it. That's life. To be content and happy without the actual effort to "seek" answers is farce, and will only cause further misery and distress."
Will Benson wrote:
I agree that probably many people who call themselves "spiritual" don't put much effort into walking that walk. I also know some however, who have done the spiritual meditating and study for decades. They all seem very centered and comfortable in their own skin.
Ques - What do you think would have to happen in order for young people to seek their spirituality from religion rather than from secular sources? Should religions modernize or stand pat?
Thanks for posting. - Will Bensonposted 15 years ago0
What a bunch of 'spiritual' persons !!!
I wanna be the ghost of Christmas future, he was always the coolest! Is that what we're on about here?
- Will Bensonposted 15 years ago0
Q wrote:
I simply offered an opinion from a reality based position, one in which the physical laws of the universe are firmly planted. "Spirits" clearly violate a number of our physical laws, hence they can't possibly exist.
If you have some evidence for spirits or can explain to me how they can violate our physical laws, feel free to present it. I await your intelligent response.
Will wrote:
Q - I think we should bear in mind that our physical laws (Physics) are often revised as new hypotheses graduate to become accepted theories. Quantum theory, while not experimentally proven by any means, does leave some wiggle room for realities unfamiliar to us.
"String theory is of interest to many physicists because it requires new mathematical and physical ideas to mesh together its very different mathematical formulations. One of the most inclusive of these is the 11-dimensional M-theory, which requires spacetime to have eleven dimensions, as opposed to the usual three spatial dimensions and the fourth dimension of time."
Ref: M. J. Duff, James T. Liu and R. Minasian Eleven Dimensional Origin of String/String Duality: A One Loop Test Center for Theoretical Physics, Department of Physics, Texas A&M University
An 11-dimensional metaverse wouldn't mean Spirits or God necessarily exist, but until/unless its nature were known, anything's possible.
True, string theory works well mathematically but it is still hypothetical (though it's the darling of many physicists).
So, looks like we're stuck with faith and belief, or not, for now.
My thoughts, respectfully. - Will Bensonposted 15 years ago0
marcel285 wrote:
"Great example"
Will Benson wrote:
I agree In my estimation, just my own, it seems the discussion became two-toned. Being "spiritual" and "spirits" in general. These are two, very different subjects in my judgment. Many know my doctrines on the nature of spirits, but that is not what the thread asked for.
To me, being spiritual is the journey or path in one's life in achieving the fulness of joy and happiness. The word "spiritual" implies the exploration of that part of life which is unseen by the natural eye. Again, notice my use of verbs again as in previous posts. Exploration, true exploration, requires effort in navigation and the courage to accept or deny that which you find. Yes, everyone is an individual and is different. For this reason, everyone's "spiritual exploration" will differ greatly one from another. As mentioned before, what's important is that we are all, at least, making the effort to explore this unending field.
This is what I've often referred to as the "gospel lens." Part of the reason for so much discord on the forums about religion is the view, or perception, of life that each of us have. For those of us who uphold and stand by certain codes of conduct and views, tend to look at the world through the lens of the spirit, or through a set of doctrines and principles upon which the prism of life discerns it's colors. This causes us to see alternate meanings in the events around us, hence a "spiritual perspective."
At the same time, and in respect for the other side, life is viewed through facts, figures and those things which are tangible and easily obtained through the natural senses. That is the world we live in. Both schools of thought are pertinent to happiness in this life. There is room for both. The journey, or exploration, also consists of the painful, yet vital, dilemma of combining both schools of thought so that they work in harmony and concert one with another. This can be painful, I know, but it can happen.
For myself, I have no inconsistencies between the two. To me they work in concert. I view the world through a "gospel lens", and through that lens I discern and apply all science as well as all religious doctrine so that I may be able to look beyond the here and now and gain a clearer view of the end goal.
Just a few more of my own personal views.- Will Bensonposted 15 years ago0
Thanks G.P.
Now you've got your homily all written for Sunday.
Here is a sermon for you, from the good book!
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
That should put the fear of god in em!
What a loving God! Our God is awesome. I don't understand why everyone isn't worshipping such a merciful master.
Amen!
It is a mystery isn't it?
- Will Bensonposted 15 years ago0
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