What if the universe is a brain?

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   Daniel Carterposted 15 years ago

   What if the whole universe is actually an intelligence, and everything in it is actually a part of the workings of that intelligence, or in other words, part of the "brain." Let's say for exploration's sake that this premise is a real possibility.
   
   The universe is alive and in motion. It's living. Therefore it could be conceivable that it is intelligence.
   
   Where does that put God in it for you as believer or nonbeliever?

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      (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think inanimate matter such as rock and regolith could be alive.

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         Rochelle Frankposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         A brain is inanimate grey matter without the electrical impulses.

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            (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            True, note the inclusion of 'electrical impulses' on your part, something devoid in rock and regolith, which would follow with the definition of inanimate.

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               Rochelle Frankposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, but I said "without the impulses". I'm picturing a brain  on a table in a science lab... sitting beside a rock.

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                  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  

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         Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         The particles that compose them are "alive" in that they are in constant motion. Therefore, inanimate objects have a "vibration" as does everything else, constituting my deduction that all things are "living" (after a fashion).

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            (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Something that is in constant motion simply follows Newtons law and does not define something as being alive.

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               Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Uh huh, I studied that too. But that's not entirely my point here.
               
               The same particles that make up a rock also make things we consider alive. For the sake of simplicity, they are just configured differently. Therefore, when you get down to that basic building block level, it's easier to construe, philosophically, that all things have some type of "life" because they are made of same particles, but configured differently. It's less scientific and more about creativity and philosophy, that's all.

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         Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         rock=bones?

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      kirstenblogposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      This is kinda my feeling about the nature of God, it kinda makes sense to me

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      qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Daniel:
      Clearly, that is a possibility.
      There have been scifi stories written that come close to that thought.
      Since size exists as a "relative" concept (googolplex..micro and macro) and since all matter is more space than mass, you offer a very possible reality.
      I, in one of my writings, describe our universe as being part and parcel of a piece of chewed bubblegum stuck to a childs bedpost.
      I love that kind of thinking and imagination...:-)
      (Forget this mythical god crap.)

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         Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Remember the last scene from "Men in Black" where one little alien carried a necklace or something, and in it was a unverse/galaxy of some kind (that the camera closes in on and magnifies.) Sort of a wild perspective, but when you think about the cosmos, I kind of think in those terms. It's a fascinating thought, whether true or not, it depends on your perspective, I suppose.

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            qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            DAniel:
            EXACTLY!  :-)

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      Justine76posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      ewwwww
      
      I want out of the brain

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         Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, I want to be able to harness the power of the brain...
         

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            Justine76posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            well..thats sounds good too

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      Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I've thought of this before, and it's an interesting concept.
      Once you start contemplating theories that involve concepts with variable size & proportion versus our current version of known mass...it becomes as endless as infinity.  You might as well add string theories and multiple dimensions to the mix, as in either case, nothing ever ends...as it is all without limitation.
      But, to be more pertinent, this particular theory would have to involve an ultimate unity...regardless.  Picture it as endless dividends from one source of energy.  Then again, we could be in a minuscule hologram, for all we know.

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      yea What If?  My favorite question, well right after do you want to...err, um ...well..you know... 
      
      
      

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         Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         That's deep, in its own right...  LOL!

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         Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Now my head hurts. I'm feeling that aneuryism, Mikel!!
         Now what am I supposed to do?
         

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            Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Lol! aspirin I guess...but is aspirin like an asteroid hitting the life forms living in the universe of the throat??? Isn't that genocide then?

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      double_frickposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      what if the universe as we know it is merely a cell in this brain. and there are more universes making up a whole being, i mean, it could just go on from there, fractally. anything is possible, science can only tell us what can be proven. science will always prove more and more meaning there is much left we likely haven't even scratched the surface of. these theories, i think, are possibly more than just philosophical, fringe science i guess.
      
      i like what jerami said about our bodies being a universe, i mean we think of size but size is relative. so is physical form, well, i believe anyway. maya and all that. ;P
      but i don't believe the brain is the god, more like the remote control. lol  when we die our brain stays here, inactive. what activates it? the soul.
      
      though i may sound a bit nutty, i really appreciate this thread daniel carter!  *hugs thread*

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         Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I like your thoughts, too, double. It's a kind of mind expansion that we are doing, and I find it refreshing and very creative. Keeping the creativity going is a big deal to me.
         
         Thanks for the cool thoughts!

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      tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      If the Universe is a brain , we're part of its imagination. So we're not real.
      I once wrote a story about it. We humans, only a dream of an unknown being.
      Could be.
      Or this Universe could be an atom of another Universe ,that's an atom of another.... we can go forever ! LOL!I love sci fi !

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         Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Me gusta mucho!
         You should write a hub about it too, Tantrum.

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            tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe I will ! I have to translate it, as it's in Spanish.
            Thanks Daniel. Great idea !
            I think my next hubs will be about sci fi. I'll leave poetry for a change !

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      goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The glory of God is intelligence.  Your analysis is right on in my opinion.  It is live and vibrant.  It is full of life and intelligence.  It is immensely populated with other worlds and people.  It is history rich with worlds being constantly created as well as destroyed.  It has purpose and order.  When pondering the universe, regardless of our infant understanding of physics, all things are truly possible.

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         (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         When one has no understanding of physics, they imagine all sorts of things they consider possible, despite the fact physics does not support their delusions, or ever will.
         
         What's worse are those same who make childish claims that "all things are truly possible" and use physics to back up those claims. They are truly the intellectually dishonest.

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            Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            This from the person that thinks F=MA is the third law of motion... 

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               (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I never said it was, but an understanding of that formula on your part would demonstrate why your theory is bunk.

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                  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  You did in your comment on my hub about it. I just re-read it to make sure.

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                     (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     No, I didn't. I just re-read it, too. You have a problem with synthesis, Mikel.
                     
                     And, while I was there, I saw this gem:
                     
                     http://hubpages.com/hub/Look-Out-EinsteinHere-I-Come
                     
                     I thought you were out to lunch on Newton, but that one takes that cake. There is no way you understand relativity as you haven't even the basic mathematical skills to understand Newton. You should be ashamed of yourself for making that hub.

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       Tom Cornettposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       The universe...the mind of God...I like that thought. 

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   Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago

   Okay all I could see in my head was all of us walking around on a squishy brain. Thanks for that mental, Daniel

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   stephensaldanaposted 15 years ago

   Its a bit tricky thing to believe or not to believe..For me there is no intellectual and no brain as universe as such.. its one body and one soul that works and reap its own fruits and virtues.. To me Uviverse is not any barin and we are not its workers.. we are the workers to ourselves and moreover to our GOD!

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   StormRyderposted 15 years ago

   If the universe is a brain we must be giving it one helluva headache!!!   Planet Earth = Universal Aneurysm

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      Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      Good analogy.

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      speaking of Aneurysm...  Hello gorgeous!!

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   Great question...... Something along the lines of this was what I kinda had in mind when I posted the other day.
   
     I have often thought of the Universe as a living Body such as our own. Growing, everchanging, with a destination already determined. Our bodies can be looked upon in a similar fashion. A human body is a universe in and of  itself. All the parts working for the common good of the body. "Our" brain is ...   
   "the god" of our own individual universe. Does our big toe recognize the soverign authority that our brain has over it?  It doesn't matter if it does or not.
       The universe that we look upon when we gaze up into the sky goes on infinitely.
       We can look inwardly and it goes on infinitely into a smaller degree so to speak.
       If a molecule in our big toe had any type of inteligence it also could see itself as a universe in and of itself. looking inwardly.
      I do believe that we can see and "Scientifically" proove only those things that are in our miniscule part of the universe that we are part of. 
      You can easily say that the ant bed in my back yard exists in a universe separate from the one that I live in.
      I have the ability to demolish it whether it recognizes my abilities to do so or not. The same is the case with my big toe. If it causes me too much trouble I can simply cut it off.

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      Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      These are very good observations, Jerami. There is a lot of deductive reasoning in it, but still unfettered by a lot of scientific technicalities. It's this type of thinking that leads scientist to theorize what else there is in the universe, and then they begin to formulate ways to prove them. I think that's what this thread is about: exploration.

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         Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Some times there are things outside of our selves that we can not understand or prove. It would be logical that there "ARE" also things outside of this universe that are not provable.
            I have faith that  There are many realities that no one will ever be able to prove.   
            We can only prove those things that are within our own scope of understanding.
         
            I apologize for being in and out so much but making an income keeps interupting.

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   Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years ago

   I remember as a kid sitting around pondering these very same things...  *sigh* ...to be young again...

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   marinealways24posted 15 years ago

   Evolution is conscious.

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      Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      There ya go reducing it all down to something simple.
      How dare you.
      

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         marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Ah, but it only looks and sounds simple. It's all in conscious perception.

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   skyfireposted 15 years ago

   Hmm, take a look at this :
   
   
   
   If universe is actual intelligence then where do we stand ?... 

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      Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You tell me. I have no problem with the image and being a part of all that's "out there."

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      marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      We are still alive to wonder and ask where we stand without being wiped out like the dino's yet.
      Can the size of something always define it's importance?

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         skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         My point was if the universe has intelligence, then we're nothing to it(this is where religious and theist gets beaten badly in logic). And Like your theory of self-sustaining design, it'll wipe us out if needed(this is where atheists will go wrong). Size does matter and that decides a lot of things if we assume universe has intelligence. Like do you care 300th of your body hair is giving you trouble ? So do we stand a chance for such a vast universe ?

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            Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Part of the realization of the universe is that we truly *are* nothing in comparison to its utter vastness and limitless possibilities. However, we still *do* exist, do we not? And we are intelligences of a variety who reign over out our own little universes.
            
            Your point is completely valid, that for whatever reason—whether an intelligence or a god or force—that we could wiped out over any whim or even a cosmic accident. Hence the symbolism of the story of Noah, and many others. But still, we *do* exist, and for the time being, continue to exist, so we really are not nothing.

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            marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            The universe is kinda how I imagine our minds. We have estimated billions of neurons in our heads only connected through synapses. We have billions of planets and stars in the universe that I think could be all connected like a giant synapse.

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               Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               worm holes are the universes synapses??  Black holes are the outgoing ones and suns are the incoming ones (from the anti-matter universes)

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                  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  It could be an imaginative synapse.  Why would life on earth have a purpose if everything else in the universe didn't have a purpose?

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                     Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Exactly... 

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                        marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        It seems to be a partially controlled synapse if that makes it seem any better.

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                           Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           lol

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            Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Huh.. Interesting thought. What value does humanity really have?

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               Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               How imortant is your little toe or index finger
               I won't go on and on but some of the parts are pretty darn important.

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               marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

               If we are part a brain and we were taken out, could there still be synapsis with missing pieces?

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               Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               very little so far. That doesn't mean that one day we might not grow and evolve into something important to the universe...but for now you are correct, if humanity disappeared from existence right now, we would not be missed.
               
               IMHO

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                  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't think this can be known for sure one way or the other. In evolution, how many things happen that don't need to happen? How many things does evolution evolve that it doesn't need or use? Most that I can think of have specific purposes for evolving. Why would there be purpose to evolution if there was no purpose to the life to the universe?

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   At about the age of 8 or 9 while looking up into the stars I had contimplated about being the center of my universe simply by deducing that I am the center of my understanding.
      Remember that I was young and had watched a TV show where a person sacrificed themselves for someone else and I questioned the logic of this. If the same circumstances presented itself to me  (8 year old reasoning) it seemed illogical to sacrifice myself; (the universe)  to save something that would not exist in this universe if this universe no longer existed it wouldn't either.
   
      And then I was watching a program about quontum physics that explained a theory of each person being compaired to a universe in and of its self. And there being an infinate number of universes that exist within a giver area.
   
     Too deep for me to understand at my age...  Maybe I could have understood it better when I was eight ????

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    china manposted 15 years ago

    If the universe is a brain - and we are speaking for it - then your god would be the asylum

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    It seems;  Though my brain is in my head, the tip of my toe is aware that the brain is watching over it.

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       Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Watching over it? Or keeping an eye on it?
       
       Being what we are, we could conceivably one day threaten the stability of the universe.

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          Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Sure could !!!  when the cells in the body don't get along gangreen sets in and if it spreads ????????
             Maybe love compadion and understand are the antibote

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       skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       There is difference between your brain aware of toe and finger and universe (as intelligence) aware of blue dot(earth and species in it).even if your brain loses response with toe you can survive just like many disabled who lost sense are alive. universe(as intelligence) model if not aware of humans then whether we survive or not is not a problem for it as it continues to exist with or without humans.

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    It looks like the Universe is not a brain !
    
    

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       Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       maybe the entire universe is a single-cell of a brain?

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          tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Looking around, that would make more sense !!

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    (Q)posted 15 years ago

    Mikel claims:
    
    "Time is a constant."
    
    No, it isn't. If it was, relativity would be false. That is what time dilation is all about. Time dilation has mountains of evidence to support it.
    
    Mikel claims:
    
    "Motion and the velocity of that motion cannot change or alter time"
    
    Yes, it does, that is the main concept behind relativity.
    
    Mikel claims:
    
    "G-Force: A force acting on a body as a result of acceleration or gravity, informally described in units of acceleration equal to one g. For example, a 12 pound object undergoing a g-force of 2g experiences 24 pounds of force.
    
    The compression effect that a body at rest undergoes when being effected by a body that is in motion and is causing the body at rest to accelerate/move. The effects of G-Force on the human body is a contraction or condensing of the body.
    
    The clocks 'tick' less fast because of the increased resistance, the added friction the g-force creates. The objects are shorter because of this condensing effect of G-Force. Not Time dilation."
    
    Rubbish. Special Relativity is about objects that are NOT under acceleration, that's why it is a "Special" subset of General Relativity.
    
    Mikel then states:
    
    "Or that one can be made into the other and back again...perhaps the beaming technology of Star Trek was inspired here? Mass being a measurement of matter?"
    
    One does not gain an understanding of physics from TV, Mikel.

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       Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    Nor from HP forums

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