Karma, real or not?

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  1. srwnson profile image58
    srwnsonposted 8 years ago

    Is Karma a subject that should be discussed in religion?

    The point is without a system of Karmic balances.

    Anyone could do dreadful things as long as he asked sincerely for forgiveness right after the deed; However an individual who has led a riotous life but worshiped the Lord in another way is doomed to hell.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      perhaps better said: don't commit to an offense from the beginning as avoid the need for sorrow, forgiveness. Neither is doomed, less either accepts that perspective.

    2. profile image55
      (Q)posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Anyone who has led a good and worthwhile life but did not worship a lord is doomed to hell, apparently.

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Karma, also known as the Threefold Rule, is a part of many religions. However, the concept itself can be practiced without having any religious belief at all. Karma, in my opinion, is very real. I've experienced both sides of Karma, the good and the bad.

      Praying for forgiveness isn't part of Karma though. In Karma, the only way to apologize is by doing something good that makes up for the bad.

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
        IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I feel it tends to come around anyways.  Regardless of the good you did, to rebuff the bad.  Why?  Because, we should have been doing good things all along.  Therefore, you are pay back regardless.

  2. dogluver1 profile image59
    dogluver1posted 8 years ago

    I think karma is real.

  3. profile image0
    lynnechandlerposted 8 years ago

    Oh yeah, it is real. At least I have found it to be.

  4. brianzen profile image59
    brianzenposted 8 years ago

    Karma is misunderstood. Simply put it is the person who does what they know is wrong who suffers for it, cause and effect, kick the puppy then feel bad later for being a puppy kicker=karma

    1. brianzen profile image59
      brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      cosmic connotations of karma were viewed in the idea of the unregretted acts.

      1. brianzen profile image59
        brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Hokey!!!

  5. Hokey profile image61
    Hokeyposted 8 years ago

    Karma literally means action or doing. Any kind of intentional action whether mental, verbal, or physical, is regarded as Karma. It covers all that is included in the phrase "thought, word and deed". Generally speaking, all good and bad action constitutes Karma. In its ultimate sense Karma means all moral and immoral volition. Involuntary, unintentional or unconscious actions, though technically deeds, do not constitute Karma, because volition, the most important factor in determining Karma, is absent.

    1. Hokey profile image61
      Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Karma is action, and Vipaka, fruit or result, is its reaction


      Brian!!! smile I knew I would see you here!

      Namaste

      1. brianzen profile image59
        brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Yes and it isn't subjective because like gravity it is always "on"                               Namaste!!

        1. brianzen profile image59
          brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I like being predictable, you were just a bonus, good fortune. Hokey=good fortune!

        2. Hokey profile image61
          Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Very true. Karma is very real. Basically everything that happens is created by actions and conditions. We create our conditions by our actions. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

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      Justine76posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      according to this definition, I have found karma to be very very real. and yes, it belongs in the religion/beliefs forum.

  6. brianzen profile image59
    brianzenposted 8 years ago

    But volition or "intentional conscious action" is the ultimate in karmic trade.                (hows the foot?)

    1. Hokey profile image61
      Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Swelling is going down finally. Can actually walk some without crutches. YAY!!!!  Volition is the main factor. Did you replace the coffee pot?

      1. brianzen profile image59
        brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        A beautiful 40 cup electric percolator, She sings and dances! (and is slow like me!)

        1. Hokey profile image61
          Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Sounds like a true beauty! smile

          1. brianzen profile image59
            brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            A grumble and like a dragon breathing she swirls a magical fragrance in the air. (I am in love!)

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    StormRyderposted 8 years ago

    I when to college with a girl named Karma!

    1. brianzen profile image59
      brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I met a Dharma teacher named LuLu.

  8. moondive profile image56
    moondiveposted 8 years ago

    I belive in karma:)

    1. brianzen profile image59
      brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      And karma for moondive should be good!

  9. Hokey profile image61
    Hokeyposted 8 years ago

    http://www.chefscatalog.com/img/products/500x500/97606_1200_500.jpg&imgrefurl=http://247steals.com/search.php%3Fq%3Dcategory%253AAppliances%2BSmall%2BAppliances%2BCoffee%2BMakers%253A%26page%3D1%26sort3Drating&usg=__Fl1Xp4R5Z7xLiVEBu3e0FYy5hSI=&h=500&w=500&sz=79&hl=en&start=12&itbs=1&tbnid=0QzxxTCfVwxGWM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsuper%2Bperculator%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1

    Very Nice smile

    1. brianzen profile image59
      brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I see a lovely code, what does it mean?

      1. Hokey profile image61
        Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        It's The Davinci Code!!! yikes  I was trying to post a picture but it never works for me! lol

        1. brianzen profile image59
          brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I haven't even tried yet so don't be discouraged.

          1. Hokey profile image61
            Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Not discouraged! smile Acceptance is the root of my practice! wink

            1. brianzen profile image59
              brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              When you get the fruit of it, pass it along?

              1. brianzen profile image59
                brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                wait did you try putting img. at the end?

                1. Hokey profile image61
                  Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes. I followed the formatting tips. The funny thing is that you can see the code but I cant.

                  1. brianzen profile image59
                    brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    zany. I can even interact with it, but not copy/paste. It wants to move, But it is a silly thing.

  10. brianzen profile image59
    brianzenposted 8 years ago

    Moondive is anti smoking, Brianzen is smoking, Moondive is not judging I hope.

    1. brianzen profile image59
      brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Modena italy, Modena makes balsamic vinegar correct?

  11. skyfire profile image72
    skyfireposted 8 years ago

    Not at all, there are many rapist-politicians/priests/business people(committed incest+harem+rape)in this part of world who died peacefully with funeral songs,books,tv coverage on their life. Good karma eh ?

    Someone's rapist is other person's messiah ?

    1. brianzen profile image59
      brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Huge question marks appear throughout the thread.

    2. Hokey profile image61
      Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Although it is stated in the Dhammapada that "not in the sky, nor in mid-ocean, or entering a mountain cave is found that place on earth where one may escape from (the consequences of) an evil deed", yet one is not bound to pay all the past arrears of one’s Karma. If such were the case emancipation would be impossibility. Eternal recurrence would be the unfortunate result.

      1. skyfire profile image72
        skyfireposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        This assumes life after death on which i don't agree as their is no empirical evidence for that. Otherwise i could take this karma for granted as per Buddhism.

        1. brianzen profile image59
          brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          reread thread.

        2. Hokey profile image61
          Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          According to the Buddhist doctrine of Karma, one is not always compelled by an ‘iron necessity’, for Karma is neither fate, nor predestination imposed upon us by some mysterious unknown power to which we must helplessly submit ourselves. It is one’s own doing reacting on oneself, and so one has the possibility to divert the course of one’s Karma to some extent. How far one diverts it depends on oneself.

          1. Pandoras Box profile image66
            Pandoras Boxposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Plus you never know what all goes on peoples' personal lives and thoughts.

            I think it helps to be able to forgive yourself for mistakes made and dumb things done or said in the past. Or on a daily basis when necessary. smile

            Of course it doesn't help the world when people keep making the same "mistakes". So karma can be a learning tool? Is that its purpose? In the belief systems like buddhism, I mean?

            1. brianzen profile image59
              brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              more of an observation, it was deemed a distraction from enlightenment. so be clear of bad karma or when enlightenment comes it avoids you for your conscience. (We shun the perfection subconsciously out of regret)

              1. brianzen profile image59
                brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                while good deeds are like brownie points!!!!! and while they do not erase bad karma they determine your good fortune!

                1. Pandoras Box profile image66
                  Pandoras Boxposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Brownie points! Yay!

                  What kind of brownies? wink

            2. Hokey profile image61
              Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              If you are routinely undergoing intense personal challenges that you can't seem to overcome, you are probably experiencing self-karma. Common self-karmic issues involve addictive behaviors, such as: smoking, drug or alcohol abuse, gambling, credit card debt, or fundamental acceptance issues like weight problems, depression due to balding, and other disorders that cause an internal imbalance. Going from one bad relationship to another can also be a form of self-karma, as well as frustrating conditions like chronic insomnia. In general, self-karma involves a variety of personal issues, and is therefore a highly subjective experience unique to each individual.

              1. brianzen profile image59
                brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                we should put on the diamond sutra sometime. it helps some people see what we are after.

                1. Hokey profile image61
                  Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Very true. It was nice hanging out with you Brian. I will see you again real soon. I have to go. I have meditation group in an hour and I have to set up for my teacher Bhante Sujatha. Hope your day is full of love, light, and laughter. Namaste  smile

                  1. brianzen profile image59
                    brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Likewise my good friend, thank you, and may your experience guide you away from mara.

      2. brianzen profile image59
        brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Deleted

        1. Hokey profile image61
          Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Deleted

          1. brianzen profile image59
            brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            and that takes volition!

      3. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I'm in the midst of my eternal recurrence !

        But I'm lucky.

        I don't believe in Karma ! big_smile

        1. brianzen profile image59
          brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Ever regret anything?=karma, ever feel suffering for something done out of anger?=karma (sorry)

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            No, to both questions. Sorry !

            1. brianzen profile image59
              brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Then you may be the either the nicest or the meanest in all existence, either way how are you?

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Fine! and I'm both ! big_smile
                How are you ?

                1. brianzen profile image59
                  brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Happy, and thank you for asking.

    3. brianzen profile image59
      brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      My balsamic vinegar is from modena. The rest of that stuff is awful. I can not hardly believe moondive is any of those offenders though. She has a positive presence.

  12. brianzen profile image59
    brianzenposted 8 years ago

    I can send it to you Hokey, if you did not catch it.

    1. Hokey profile image61
      Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes. Please send it. I have the medicine Buddhist mantra. Want it?

      1. brianzen profile image59
        brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        absolutely!!

        1. brianzen profile image59
          brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          It now rests safely in the email, share it only with the mindful.

          1. Hokey profile image61
            Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Yours is there also. Namaste

            1. brianzen profile image59
              brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Namaste.

      2. IntimatEvolution profile image79
        IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I do Hokey.

        1. Hokey profile image61
          Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Ok

          1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
            IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks.

            1. Hokey profile image61
              Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              http://www.shantimayi.com/medicinebuddhamantra.html

              This is a link that will tell you what it is and also tell you what it is about.

  13. srwnson profile image58
    srwnsonposted 8 years ago

    If you don't believe in Karma and you come back as a dung beatle, you can look around and say "Hmmm...guess I missed it."

    I'm just saying.

    1. brianzen profile image59
      brianzenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It is okay that the reincarnation part is disagreeable for you, we cannot predict it, however everything you are constructed of was here before it became you. the iron in your blood was maybe in the mountain, so we are made of this stuff, and the universe likes to recycle.

  14. IntimatEvolution profile image79
    IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years ago

    I know Karma can be a real MF, when it bites you in the ass.  I hate having bad Karma coming my direction, and I know its coming.  I hate it.

    1. profile image55
      (Q)posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      People are going to have good days and bad days. To create a system of cause and effect with tallies from random events in which an effect is the result of a "remembered" cause is silly in the extreme.

      Who is the one keeping tallies and dispensing the effects?

      1. Hokey profile image61
        Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        According to the Buddhist doctrine of Karma, one is not always compelled by an ‘iron necessity’, for Karma is neither fate, nor predestination imposed upon us by some mysterious unknown power to which we must helplessly submit ourselves. It is one’s own doing reacting on oneself, and so one has the possibility to divert the course of one’s Karma to some extent. How far one diverts it depends on oneself.

  15. IntimatEvolution profile image79
    IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years ago

    Who said that Karma needed a person to arrange and rearrange records for keeping sake.  I know I'm not the idiot who said such a thing.lol

    1. profile image55
      (Q)posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You're just the idiot who believes in karma.

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image79
        IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        So now you have lowered yourself to name calling.  That's takes a real genius.lol

  16. mega1 profile image77
    mega1posted 8 years ago

    I say, do the next right thing!  covers my butt always!  (how come its ok to say butt, but not ass?)

    1. Hokey profile image61
      Hokeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I always say do the next thing right. That way it doesnt feel like I am waiting around for the next right thing.

 
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