Karma, real or not?

1. 61

   srwnsonposted 14 years ago

   Is Karma a subject that should be discussed in religion?
   
   The point is without a system of Karmic balances.
   
   Anyone could do dreadful things as long as he asked sincerely for forgiveness right after the deed; However an individual who has led a riotous life but worshiped the Lord in another way is doomed to hell.

   replyreport
   1. 0

      Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      perhaps better said: don't commit to an offense from the beginning as avoid the need for sorrow, forgiveness. Neither is doomed, less either accepts that perspective.

      replyreport
   2. 54

      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Anyone who has led a good and worthwhile life but did not worship a lord is doomed to hell, apparently.

      replyreport
   3. 0

      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Karma, also known as the Threefold Rule, is a part of many religions. However, the concept itself can be practiced without having any religious belief at all. Karma, in my opinion, is very real. I've experienced both sides of Karma, the good and the bad.
      
      Praying for forgiveness isn't part of Karma though. In Karma, the only way to apologize is by doing something good that makes up for the bad.

      replyreport
      1. 71

         IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I feel it tends to come around anyways.  Regardless of the good you did, to rebuff the bad.  Why?  Because, we should have been doing good things all along.  Therefore, you are pay back regardless.

         replyreport
2. 59

   dogluver1posted 14 years ago

   I think karma is real.

   replyreport
3. 0

   lynnechandlerposted 14 years ago

   Oh yeah, it is real. At least I have found it to be.

   replyreport
4. 60

   brianzenposted 14 years ago

   Karma is misunderstood. Simply put it is the person who does what they know is wrong who suffers for it, cause and effect, kick the puppy then feel bad later for being a puppy kicker=karma

   replyreport
   1. 60

      brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      cosmic connotations of karma were viewed in the idea of the unregretted acts.

      replyreport
      1. 60

         brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hokey!!!

         replyreport
5. 60

   Hokeyposted 14 years ago

   Karma literally means action or doing. Any kind of intentional action whether mental, verbal, or physical, is regarded as Karma. It covers all that is included in the phrase "thought, word and deed". Generally speaking, all good and bad action constitutes Karma. In its ultimate sense Karma means all moral and immoral volition. Involuntary, unintentional or unconscious actions, though technically deeds, do not constitute Karma, because volition, the most important factor in determining Karma, is absent.

   replyreport
   1. 60

      Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Karma is action, and Vipaka, fruit or result, is its reaction
      
      
      Brian!!! I knew I would see you here!
      
      Namaste

      replyreport
      1. 60

         brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yes and it isn't subjective because like gravity it is always "on"                               Namaste!!

         replyreport
         1. 60

            brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I like being predictable, you were just a bonus, good fortune. Hokey=good fortune!

            replyreport
         2. 60

            Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Very true. Karma is very real. Basically everything that happens is created by actions and conditions. We create our conditions by our actions. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

            replyreport
   2. 0

      Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      according to this definition, I have found karma to be very very real. and yes, it belongs in the religion/beliefs forum.

      replyreport
6. 60

   brianzenposted 14 years ago

   But volition or "intentional conscious action" is the ultimate in karmic trade.                (hows the foot?)

   replyreport
   1. 60

      Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Swelling is going down finally. Can actually walk some without crutches. YAY!!!!  Volition is the main factor. Did you replace the coffee pot?

      replyreport
      1. 60

         brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         A beautiful 40 cup electric percolator, She sings and dances! (and is slow like me!)

         replyreport
         1. 60

            Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Sounds like a true beauty!

            replyreport
            1. 60

               brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               A grumble and like a dragon breathing she swirls a magical fragrance in the air. (I am in love!)

               replyreport
7. 0

   StormRyderposted 14 years ago

   I when to college with a girl named Karma!

   replyreport
   1. 60

      brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I met a Dharma teacher named LuLu.

      replyreport
8. 58

   moondiveposted 14 years ago

   I belive in karma:)

   replyreport
   1. 60

      brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      And karma for moondive should be good!

      replyreport
9. 60

   Hokeyposted 14 years ago

   
   
   Very Nice

   replyreport
   1. 60

      brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I see a lovely code, what does it mean?

      replyreport
      1. 60

         Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It's The Davinci Code!!!   I was trying to post a picture but it never works for me!

         replyreport
         1. 60

            brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I haven't even tried yet so don't be discouraged.

            replyreport
            1. 60

               Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Not discouraged! Acceptance is the root of my practice!

               replyreport
               1. 60

                  brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  When you get the fruit of it, pass it along?

                  replyreport
                  1. 60

                     brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     wait did you try putting img. at the end?

                     replyreport
                     1. 60

                        Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes. I followed the formatting tips. The funny thing is that you can see the code but I cant.

                        replyreport
                        1. 60

                           brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           zany. I can even interact with it, but not copy/paste. It wants to move, But it is a silly thing.

                           replyreport
                           1. 60

                              brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              We so hijacked this thread.

                              replyreport
                           2. 60

                              Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              I agree. An exercise in futility? Maybe. Oh well. It was a super perculator . Thought it would be funny.

                              replyreport
                              1. 60

                                 brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 That rules. I will have to learn the coding format as well, I can barely emoticon, and that's only like three things.

                                 replyreport
                                 1. 60

                                    brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    :smile:

                                    replyreport
10. 60

    brianzenposted 14 years ago

    Moondive is anti smoking, Brianzen is smoking, Moondive is not judging I hope.

    replyreport
    1. 60

       brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Modena italy, Modena makes balsamic vinegar correct?

       replyreport
11. 76

    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    Not at all, there are many rapist-politicians/priests/business people(committed incest+harem+rape)in this part of world who died peacefully with funeral songs,books,tv coverage on their life. Good karma eh ?
    
    Someone's rapist is other person's messiah ?

    replyreport
    1. 60

       brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Huge question marks appear throughout the thread.

       replyreport
    2. 60

       Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Although it is stated in the Dhammapada that "not in the sky, nor in mid-ocean, or entering a mountain cave is found that place on earth where one may escape from (the consequences of) an evil deed", yet one is not bound to pay all the past arrears of one’s Karma. If such were the case emancipation would be impossibility. Eternal recurrence would be the unfortunate result.

       replyreport
       1. 76

          skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          This assumes life after death on which i don't agree as their is no empirical evidence for that. Otherwise i could take this karma for granted as per Buddhism.

          replyreport
          1. 60

             brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             reread thread.

             replyreport
          2. 60

             Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             According to the Buddhist doctrine of Karma, one is not always compelled by an ‘iron necessity’, for Karma is neither fate, nor predestination imposed upon us by some mysterious unknown power to which we must helplessly submit ourselves. It is one’s own doing reacting on oneself, and so one has the possibility to divert the course of one’s Karma to some extent. How far one diverts it depends on oneself.

             replyreport
             1. 60

                Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Plus you never know what all goes on peoples' personal lives and thoughts.
                
                I think it helps to be able to forgive yourself for mistakes made and dumb things done or said in the past. Or on a daily basis when necessary.
                
                Of course it doesn't help the world when people keep making the same "mistakes". So karma can be a learning tool? Is that its purpose? In the belief systems like buddhism, I mean?

                replyreport
                1. 60

                   brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   more of an observation, it was deemed a distraction from enlightenment. so be clear of bad karma or when enlightenment comes it avoids you for your conscience. (We shun the perfection subconsciously out of regret)

                   replyreport
                   1. 60

                      brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      while good deeds are like brownie points!!!!! and while they do not erase bad karma they determine your good fortune!

                      replyreport
                      1. 60

                         Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Brownie points! Yay!
                         
                         What kind of brownies?

                         replyreport
                2. 60

                   Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   If you are routinely undergoing intense personal challenges that you can't seem to overcome, you are probably experiencing self-karma. Common self-karmic issues involve addictive behaviors, such as: smoking, drug or alcohol abuse, gambling, credit card debt, or fundamental acceptance issues like weight problems, depression due to balding, and other disorders that cause an internal imbalance. Going from one bad relationship to another can also be a form of self-karma, as well as frustrating conditions like chronic insomnia. In general, self-karma involves a variety of personal issues, and is therefore a highly subjective experience unique to each individual.

                   replyreport
                   1. 60

                      brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      we should put on the diamond sutra sometime. it helps some people see what we are after.

                      replyreport
                      1. 60

                         Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Very true. It was nice hanging out with you Brian. I will see you again real soon. I have to go. I have meditation group in an hour and I have to set up for my teacher Bhante Sujatha. Hope your day is full of love, light, and laughter. Namaste 

                         replyreport
                         1. 60

                            brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            Likewise my good friend, thank you, and may your experience guide you away from mara.

                            replyreport
       2. 60

          brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Deleted
          1. 60

             Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Deleted
             1. 60

                brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                and that takes volition!

                replyreport
       3. 59

          tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I'm in the midst of my eternal recurrence !
          
          But I'm lucky.
          
          I don't believe in Karma !

          replyreport
          1. 60

             brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Ever regret anything?=karma, ever feel suffering for something done out of anger?=karma (sorry)

             replyreport
             1. 59

                tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                No, to both questions. Sorry !

                replyreport
                1. 60

                   brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Then you may be the either the nicest or the meanest in all existence, either way how are you?

                   replyreport
                   1. 59

                      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Fine! and I'm both !
                      How are you ?

                      replyreport
                      1. 60

                         brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Happy, and thank you for asking.

                         replyreport
    3. 60

       brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       My balsamic vinegar is from modena. The rest of that stuff is awful. I can not hardly believe moondive is any of those offenders though. She has a positive presence.

       replyreport
12. 60

    brianzenposted 14 years ago

    I can send it to you Hokey, if you did not catch it.

    replyreport
    1. 60

       Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes. Please send it. I have the medicine Buddhist mantra. Want it?

       replyreport
       1. 60

          brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          absolutely!!

          replyreport
          1. 60

             brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             It now rests safely in the email, share it only with the mindful.

             replyreport
             1. 60

                Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Yours is there also. Namaste

                replyreport
                1. 60

                   brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Namaste.

                   replyreport
       2. 71

          IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I do Hokey.

          replyreport
          1. 60

             Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Ok

             replyreport
             1. 71

                IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Thanks.

                replyreport
                1. 60

                   Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   http://www.shantimayi.com/medicinebuddhamantra.html
                   
                   This is a link that will tell you what it is and also tell you what it is about.

                   replyreport
13. 61

    srwnsonposted 14 years ago

    If you don't believe in Karma and you come back as a dung beatle, you can look around and say "Hmmm...guess I missed it."
    
    I'm just saying.

    replyreport
    1. 60

       brianzenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It is okay that the reincarnation part is disagreeable for you, we cannot predict it, however everything you are constructed of was here before it became you. the iron in your blood was maybe in the mountain, so we are made of this stuff, and the universe likes to recycle.

       replyreport
14. 71

    IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years ago

    I know Karma can be a real MF, when it bites you in the ass.  I hate having bad Karma coming my direction, and I know its coming.  I hate it.

    replyreport
    1. 54

       (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       People are going to have good days and bad days. To create a system of cause and effect with tallies from random events in which an effect is the result of a "remembered" cause is silly in the extreme.
       
       Who is the one keeping tallies and dispensing the effects?

       replyreport
       1. 60

          Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          According to the Buddhist doctrine of Karma, one is not always compelled by an ‘iron necessity’, for Karma is neither fate, nor predestination imposed upon us by some mysterious unknown power to which we must helplessly submit ourselves. It is one’s own doing reacting on oneself, and so one has the possibility to divert the course of one’s Karma to some extent. How far one diverts it depends on oneself.

          replyreport
15. 71

    IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years ago

    Who said that Karma needed a person to arrange and rearrange records for keeping sake.  I know I'm not the idiot who said such a thing.

    replyreport
    1. 54

       (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You're just the idiot who believes in karma.

       replyreport
       1. 71

          IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          So now you have lowered yourself to name calling.  That's takes a real genius.

          replyreport
16. 77

    mega1posted 14 years ago

    I say, do the next right thing!  covers my butt always!  (how come its ok to say butt, but not ass?)

    replyreport
    1. 60

       Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I always say do the next thing right. That way it doesnt feel like I am waiting around for the next right thing.

       replyreport