The “Evolution”: Mark Knowles and others

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  1. profile image59
    paarsurreyposted 8 years ago

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/40393

    Hi friends

    “Adam” was evolved in millions of years; he was the first among the humans with whom the Creator- God Allah YHWH talked with directly.  “Adam”; being born spiritually is the Creation of Adam or creation of the era of human beings, ethically, morally and spiritually.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. Cagsil profile image81
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Nice try at justifying your interpretation of whatever book you've been reading. You're too funny!

    2. skyfire profile image72
      skyfireposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Sweeping statements and no proof. duh..

      1. Dan Smith profile image60
        Dan Smithposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Isn't the problem that neither creation or evolution have proof? 

        Evolution explains diversity, but gives no explanation of how basic amino acids formed living organisms.  Current theories include lightning strikes or an extraterrestrial event.  Is belief of an extraterrestrial event so much better than belief in God?

        I don't try to reconcile the two.  Evolution, while an outstanding theory, does have some holes.  Eventually these holes may be filled in, but until then it is incomplete.

        Creationism will never be more than story.  I'm not saying discount it or the beliefs of millions people.  I'm just saying you'll never get a shred of proof for it.

        1. Beelzedad profile image54
          Beelzedadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          True, that is another theory altogether; abiogenesis.   



          They are almost equally implausible, except for the fact that intelligent aliens existing is plausible.



          What holes, exactly?

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            The ones that scientist haven't come to terms with that evolution is designed by conscious reactions down to the cellular level.

            1. Beelzedad profile image54
              Beelzedadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Huh?

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                The hole of evolution. big_smile

                1. Beelzedad profile image54
                  Beelzedadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Huh, huh?

                  1. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Yes! Evolution is solved more. big_smile

            2. Dan Smith profile image60
              Dan Smithposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Ah, intelligent design.  I was wondering when that would come up.  It's really creationism.  If you argue God spontaneously created life or orchestrated it and allowed things to happen (sort of a deterministic view), you are still arguing God.

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Sounds like a faithful interpretation to me.

          2. Dan Smith profile image60
            Dan Smithposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            ok, if you want to say abiogensis is separate from evolution, then is your argument that evolution itself is an entirely complete theory?

            Even if we go by your guidelines, are creation and evolution at odds?  Even the most staunch Christian acknowledges that animals evolve, even during recent history.  For example moths have darkened over several generations due to tree bark darkening from industrial pollution.  Darker moths are hidden better on dark tree bark and thus less likely to eaten by a predator. 

            Or is it really abiogensis and creation that is being debated here?  Is a rose by any other name still a rose?

            Whatever you want to call the theory, neither creation or evolution/ abiogensis give a satisfactory explanation of the origin of life.

            1. Beelzedad profile image54
              Beelzedadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Not complete, per se, there is still much to learn.



              They have been forced to change their ideals in the face of hard facts. You'll find many Christians here and elsewhere who refuse to accept those facts, despite some halfhearted acknowledgment.




              Perhaps, that is part of the problem here, in that you're not satisfied with those answers and simply favor creationism based on your belief system. In other words, the so called acknowledgment you referred earlier is just lip service. smile

              1. Dan Smith profile image60
                Dan Smithposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Hmm, I would say I favor evolution.  Merely pointing out that neither argument is complete does not equate to choosing creation over evolution.

                Evolution does have evidence to support it claims while creationism has no evidence.  But, I'm still not willing to dismiss another persons or groups beliefs in God because I personally favor evolution.

                Where I work the primary religions of employees is Islam and Hindu.  I admire the willpower exercised by muslims during the month of Ramadan.  It was in August last year and from sun up to sun down no food OR WATER passes their lips.  These guys play league tennis in August in the south and do not drink water.  Health concerns aside, that's strength and character.  Most people are so focused on self gratification, atheist or christian, that the idea of fasting like that is inconceivable.

                I gotta say, I'll listen to someone who has that kind of strength.

                1. Beelzedad profile image54
                  Beelzedadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  That's gotta be hard on the body. I would suspect the fasting is connected to the delirium they experience from starving themselves, makes it easier to indoctrinate. Isn't that how cults work? smile

                  1. Dan Smith profile image60
                    Dan Smithposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    I think cults do use fasting and protein deprivation.  And most religions border on cult like behavior.

                    However, it the case of Ramadan, Muslims eat breakfast before sunrise and they eat another meal after dark.  So, essentially the fasting is just skipping lunch.  You won't get protein deprivation from just skipping lunch. 

                    The hard part is not drinking water in Atlanta in August.  I don't think the lack of water aids brain washing.

                    Again, probably ridiculously bad for your health.  But I do admire the will power and discipline.

                2. profile image59
                  paarsurreyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friend Dan Smith

                  Thanks for appreciating Islam/Quran/Muhammad and their peaceful and natural teachings.

                  Regards

    3. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So what happened with his DNA?

      It went down the drain, it seems ! LOL

      You're one hell of example !

      lol

  2. myownworld profile image78
    myownworldposted 8 years ago

    You're definitely pushing it now.....

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    SirDentposted 8 years ago

    lollol

  4. princess g profile image61
    princess gposted 8 years ago

    I don't get it...

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      paarsurreyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend princess g

      What is that you don't understand? Please

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  5. Mark Knowles profile image60
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    Usmanali - your ignorance is astounding. It must be the plutonium......

    1. Obscurely Diverse profile image59
      Obscurely Diverseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      LOL!  I agree!

    2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He has thus far refrained from blaming everything on Freemasons.

      Has he been reborn?

  6. skyfire profile image72
    skyfireposted 8 years ago

    There is no empirical evidence for any "extraterrestrial event" behind evolution. I think you're referring to RAELians belief for evolution and formation of universe. So i disagree with it. As for God, it's one-new-story per square meter per theist,so i don't subscribe to such thoughts without proof.

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    Poppa Bluesposted 8 years ago

    I think the evidence for God is all around us, everywhere you look, but I don't think mankind's idea or understanding of God, what and who he/she/it is, is close to correct.

    1. Beelzedad profile image54
      Beelzedadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't see it. Please direct me where you see all of this evidence for god existence, I only see nature. smile

      1. AEvans profile image78
        AEvansposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        What created nature? If other life forms created it, then who created them? If Amino Acids have been found to create live organisms, who or what created those? What creates oxygen and when did it form? What created the air? I am not being sarcastic but I do have unanswered questions and I am looking for more knowledge. smile

        1. Cagsil profile image81
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Hey AEvans,

          Please check out my hub? smile

          It's related directly to your unanswered questions.

          http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Unanswered- … -Now-Found

        2. Beelzedad profile image54
          Beelzedadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Nobody created anything, where would you get such an idea? The universe and everything in it all came about on it's own with no help from anyone.

          If you really wanted to know how it all came about on it's own, there are mountains of evidence to show you. Easy peasy. smile

        3. Dan Smith profile image60
          Dan Smithposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          From a deterministic point of view, amino acids arose because of the 4 basic forces that came into existence during the big bang.  These four forces allowed the possibility of amino acids.  The 4 forces are gravity, electro-magnetic, weak nuclear and strong nuclear.  Although I believe electro-magnetic and weak nuclear have been combined into a single force, and Stephen Hawking is seeking unify all 3/4 into a single force.

          Hydrogen atoms also came into existence during the big bang.  Due to gravity, clouds of hydrogen gas formed.  The gravity of the cloud increased, pulled in more hydrogen and kept going in this cycle until there was enough pressure to ignite the first stars.

          The stars fused hydrogen into helium, and helium into other atoms and so on until iron is created.  Thus, all elements came from the fusion occurring in stars.

          Eventually, these atoms combined into molecules.  Some of these molecules were amino acids.  This is how you wind up with amino acids.

          How amino acids became living organisms is a step that no one has an answer to yet.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      spot on. smile

  8. Greek One profile image75
    Greek Oneposted 8 years ago

    I call this image "Guess Who is Looking for Forum Topics?"

    http://blog.mlive.com/bradosphere/2007/09/large_head_up_your_ass.jpg

    1. Obscure Divine profile image52
      Obscure Divineposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      This is a very prominent depiction that represents many people I have met, thus far......  LOL!  big_smile

    2. Daniel Carter profile image75
      Daniel Carterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It's always the subtlety about you that's so endearing, Greek.
      lol

  9. AboveDaCloudz profile image60
    AboveDaCloudzposted 8 years ago

    Another good question is, What is the meaning of life?

    1. Cagsil profile image81
      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      What is the meaning of life?

      Are you seriously asking that question? hmm

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Hi Cags!  I noticed that you only need 10 more hubbers to reach 500!!!

        Hooray.  That is really awesome.smile

        1. Cagsil profile image81
          Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Hey IE, how are you today? Yeah, I noticed that too, but if you look at my profile page, you'll see that I actually only have 488. Thank you. smile

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    sneakorocksolidposted 8 years ago

    Paar you're not helping. You're just giving the atheists, skeptics and liberals more ammo! They make up plenty nonsense without your help!smile

    1. skyfire profile image72
      skyfireposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Says who ? Mormon ? wink

  11. IntimatEvolution profile image81
    IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years ago

    So........., I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim is Debbie Dearest. 

    And the list grows.

    Liar, Plagarist and now socket puppet!tongue

  12. goldenpath profile image69
    goldenpathposted 8 years ago

    Confusing....  By the title of the thread are you putting down Mark Knowles?  If so, it is wrong and should not be allowed on HubPages.  Mark and I have butted heads many a times, but it's no reason to put each other on public display as a topic of threads. 

    Son, please, you are defacing your own signature as "peaceful."  I'm trying to help you.  Stop, and be sensitive to others.  As one who professes to know the inner workings of the Almighty you should know the vital need of exercising tolerance and understanding.

    Take the higher ground and live up to those standards.

    Smile smile

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      Home Girlposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don'tget it. What we are supposed to do in this thread: throw at each other scientific terminology or call each other names? Boring...
      By the way, the meaning of life is life per se - nothing else.
      And if you are not stupid - don't squander it, live it.

  13. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    Peaceful to who?

    Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”

    Your sick little book is about fear, hate and loathing! lol

    1. Obscure Divine profile image52
      Obscure Divineposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      ...don't forget those sexy, fresh, rewarding virgins!  Praise be Allah!  Woot-woot!   tongue

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      paarsurreyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend earnestshub

      Please quote the verse again with the context which is at least five verses preceding and five verses folloing and then establish your viewpoint. You will understand the true meaning.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

 
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