What is the source of Buddha making prophecy of MAITREYA?

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paarsurreyposted 15 years ago
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Hi friends

As our friend Enlydia Listener has mentioned; what is the source of Buddha making prophecy of MAITREYA?
Anybody may please make us wise with explaining it.

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I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This claim is false, nowhere in the Tipitaka (in its original Pali) is the passage that was claimed to prophesize the coming of Jesus mentioned. Any Buddhist scholar will agree. The claim was made of an English translation of the Tipitaka, which was obviously tampered with for the following reasons:
  
  1. The style in the claimed passage is different of the style of the entire Tipitaka
  
  2. Nowhere in the Tipitaka is Buddha referred to as "the Buddha," but in this Jesus prophesying passage, it was mentioned more than once
  
  3. There are no equivalent words in Pali for words such as sin or burnt offering as these were not practice in India during the Buddha's time yet these words exist in the claimed Jesus prophesying passage
  
  4. The claimed passage makes mention of prayer which is not practiced in Buddhism
  
  The conclusion drawn by every Pali and Buddhist scholar I've ever read agrees that this false
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  I did not have the opportunity to read Tipitaka. My interest in a book is only:
  
  1. If it is authored by the Creator- God Allah YHWH (of course any good name of the Creator in any human language) or
  
  2. Written by a truthful Messenger Prophet of the Creator; belonging to any nation of the world.
  
  3. Dictated to an authorized person by the Prophet Messenger himself.
  
  4. Written by any person authorized explicitly by a Prophet Messenger.
  
  How would you describe “Tipitaka” to which category of the above it pertains?
  
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then you must not read very much.
  
  I'm sorry, but I'm not going to explain a book to you that you refuse to read.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  I don't refuse to read a book; please don't get me wrong; I have expressed my priority of interest only. When somebody presented me a Catholic Bible; I thanked him and started reading it with great interest and I was almost reading it whenver I found some time; my famil thought perhaps I have become a Christian; I finished reading it in almost three years.
  
  I just want to know as to what kind of book it is. If it is only a book of wisdom?
  
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Tipitaka is more popularly known as the Pali Canon. It is in the Pali language (though there are English translated), and is the oldest surviving Buddhist Canon. It is widely accepted by Theravada Buddhists to be the truest to Buddha's teachings. As Buddha is not a divine being, nor do Theravada Buddhists believe him to be one, it is a book of wisdom.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  So what was the source of Buddha's wisdom?
  
  Are the words of the book; exactly spoken by Buddha?
  
  If yes; how it has come down to us secured from the interference of people other than Buddha?
  
  Sorry for the questions; I have found a first Buddhist who is so expressive; others don't reply or very slow to respond. I once wanted to become member of a Buddhist discussion forum situated in Africa maybe in Kenya belonging to a very learned Buddhist scholar there, I forget his name. They refused to register me as a member.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll be honest paarsurrey, you don't always appear to be so willing to learn, but instead are most interested in touting what you demand is true. If you are honestly will to learn, I am happy to enlighten you about Buddhism.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am already learning; not Buddhism; but truth in things with reason; not blindly. If you or anybody else have got the truth; you are welcome to present. I am a good listener.
  
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, but I don't have the truth. I may have part of it, but I have no verifiable proof of what part of it I may have. Nobody does. Nobody can know for certain that they have the truth. You could be right, and I could be very, very wrong. Or vice versa.
  
  Whatever questions you have about Buddhism, ask away and I shall answer.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you and I like you as my teacher.
  
  I am more interested in Buddha rather than the Buddhists; and I have little or no interest in Buddhism like I have interest in Moses and Jesus but little interest in Judaism or Christianity.
  
  I love Zoroaster and I did read many books of his religion with great admiration and enjoyment. He was a peer of Abrahamic religions and the vedic religions, in my opinion.
  
  I love Buddha and Socrates and their wisdom.
  
  Please tell me; what was the source of wisdom of Buddha?
  
  The Muslim very rightly name Quran as Quran-ul-Hakeem.
  
  [3:59] That is what We recite unto thee of the Signs and the wise Reminder.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=54
  
  It is from the Creator- God Allah YHWH, the All-Wise.
  
  So Muhammad's source of wisdom is Quran- revealed on him; otherwise Muhammad had no claim of anything. Wisdom is an attribute of God Allah YHWH; and nobody could be wise unless He bestows something to one.
  
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  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, but you aren't going to like it lol
  
  I'll give you the short version now as I have an exam today, and a few more theories to study, but I will come back and give you a more elaborated version later.
  
  Essentially, Buddha left a very padded way of life. He left his family, his riches, his place of status, and lived the life of an ascetic. He visited many ashrams, and learnt from many different teachers. Once he knew he had learnt all that he could he sat under the Bodhi tree and refused to move from the spot until enlightenment was his. The Buddha came to his wisdom from inside himself, it was not provided to him by any divine authority. He taught that we all have access to this truth, but we have to look within to find it.
  
  That's the extremely abbreviated version.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  Please speak frankly with reason and truth; I like it or I don't like it.
  
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol, I did, I'll repeat it:
  
  Essentially, Buddha left a very padded way of life. He left his family, his riches, his place of status, and lived the life of an ascetic. He visited many ashrams, and learnt from many different teachers. Once he knew he had learnt all that he could he sat under the Bodhi tree and refused to move from the spot until enlightenment was his. The Buddha came to his wisdom from inside himself, it was not provided to him by any divine authority. He taught that we all have access to this truth, but we have to look within to find it.
  
  That's the extremely abbreviated version.
  
  So there you have it, Buddha looked deep inside himself and found truth - on his own. There was no divine intervention or revelation whatsoever.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  Please feel free to give your most priority attention to your studies; we have no emergency; we can wait; till you are free for a friendly discussion.
  
  In your absence others would join in the discussion and make us wise.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friends
  
  This might be surely a mistake of the scribe writing account of Buddha.
  
  Buddha cannot be so cruel to leave his wife without taking permission from her. Did he took permisson from her? or Did he divorce her? Is it a valid reason for a divorce? Under whose care he left his wife and children? Did he provide for her or her children ?
  
  Please tell us the source of this information and its correctness.
  
  I don't believe that Buddha could be so cruel and unwise to do such things. It does not appeal to me, and I think for the friends here.
  
  This seems to be a myth like the myth of the Christians courtesy clever Paul who say that Jesus died a cursed death willingly (see what willingness!) on the Cross for the atonement of sins of the Catholics Protestants! They are not ready to leave committing their sins but are willing to kill their perceived god in the name of " their sins".
  
  Sorry, I don't buy that; please do tell us the source of this mythical story of Buddha.
  
  What is the opinion of our friends here?
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's common knowledge
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's what I thought too, apparently not.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I could list a few hundred web sources, but I would rather go make myself a coffee
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ya... personally, my patience is wearing thin - I didn't actually think that was possible.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  Since we are discussing an auguts person called Buddha; so we should depend on special knowledge if need be.
  
  Folklore may not work here, as one could see.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is not folklore paarsurrey, if you continue this non-sense our conversation will be over and you can take your ignorance elsewhere.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Quran is folklore.
  
  Thank you
  
  peaceable truth-knower atheist here.
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He is not an august person, there is nothing divine about him. He was a man no different than you or I.
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It isn't a mythical story, the Buddha did up and leave his family in the pursuit of enlightenment. He left in the middle of the night while they were sleeping. He lived in a palace, his father was a king, his wife and child would have people to care for them. He took one servant with him, who, after they reached the edge of the forest, took the horse that Buddha rode and brought it back to the palace.
  
  The source of this information is from eyewitness accounts of the Buddha's life which were then documented in the Pali Canon. Also if you do an Internet search you will find thousands of sources that say the same thing.
  
  I assure you it is not a myth.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  If Moses could tell his wife where he was going; why could not Buddha? Why he should sneak (I take refuge from Allah) at night from his wife? Why did he not take them along? or took their permission?
  
  Please don' mind; no disrespect is intended to anyone or anyone's religion. We are just discussing things for truth. I respect your faith and religion.
  
  Who are or were the witnesses? Please do tell us about them?
  
  I love Buddha and Socrates men of wisdom.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Paarsurrey this conversation is over. I have told the truth, and you have refused to accept it. I am not going to defend what is already widely accepted, by the religious, and non-religious alike. You can't prove Moses existed, but Buddha has a grave you can visit.
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because I believe English is not your first language, I will suspend judgment, but do know that this was very rude, and very presumptuous to say.
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  Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We know. That's why you're here as an Islamic propagandist.
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You know, if anything else he is making people that did believe in God stop or at the very least doubt - he's not even a good propagandist.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  Buddha sat under the Bodhi tree; as I understand Bodhi is wisdom; he set himself to gain wisdom. This is very nice if it is symbolical; then it would be like Moses going on the mountain and seeing YHWH there:
  
  [20:9] Allah — there is no God but He. His are the most beautiful names.
  [20:10] And has the story of Moses come to thee?
  [20:11] When he saw a fire, he said to his family, ‘Tarry ye, I perceive a fire; perhaps I may bring you a brand therefrom or find guidance at the fire.’
  [20:12] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, ‘O Moses,
  [20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa. [20:14] ‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed.
  [20:15] ‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=10
  
  So Moses gets enlightenment on a montain; and Buddha under the tree of wisdom; symbolically it may mean that wisdom was all around him; in the right, in the left, above him and under him.
  
  But if one insist on the literal; then please tell us the botanical name of the tree called "Bodhi".
  
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's literal, it refers to an actual place. He sat under a literal tree. It was a pipal tree in Bodh Gaya, India. It was then named the Bodhi tree because of Buddha's enlightenment obtained there. It was named after him. His wisdom came from entirely inside himself.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Usmanali - quoting nonsensical religious books is not reasonable. Do you have any facts instead of your opinion?
  
  The Goat spoke into my head and told me that you are telling fibs. It would not be reasonable to suggest otherwise. Please leave your ridiculous nonsense at home. The goat has spoken.
  
  The Quran is nothing but fairy tales and is no use,.
  
  Thank you
  
  Peaceable truth-knower atheist here.
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol, brilliant retort. I am of the opinion that other's beliefs should be respected, and understood on their terms - but I have never met two people so unreasonable in my entire life as paarsurrey and Brenda. Never.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hang around. There are plenty more where they came from. And some of them can string a sentence together.
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  haha, I don't doubt it
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wot? A whole sentence. With meaning?
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend crmhaske
  
  I am interested in Buddha; not so in Buddhism. Please enlighten me with the Revelation Buddha got or what he wrote himself. If Buddha knew reading and writing; why the Buddhists could not preserve or secure his writings? I think it is certainly failing of the Buddhists; and not of the Buddha.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry paarsurrey, but you need to ask somebody else. I'm not going to waste anymore of my time with arrogance, which this forum seems to be chalk full of.
  
  I've always been open to understanding what someone has to say from their perspective even if I don't agree with it. I've also always been open to the possibility that I may be wrong, and am constantly adapting my worldview when provided with evidence that I must.
  
  But this is absolutely impossible to do when the person you are talking to refuses to do the same.
  
  So I'm sorry, but I'm done wasting my time.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Buddha is considered as a Vishnu AVatar like Rama, Krishna ,Jesus and now he will appear again as Maetriya.
  He will be born into a Brahmin family will write and unite the religions.
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Buddha is many different things to many different people depending on where you are coming from with your views. Many Hindu's do indeed believe that he was a Vishnu avatar.
  
  As a Buddhist that does not believe in personal Gods, Buddha was a person and nothing more. Today he, and his teachings, act as a spiritual guide. This view is shared by all Theravada Buddhists.
  
  I'd like to make a note that Buddha believed that once a Arhat achieved enlightenment, they no longer continued to exist as a separate entity, and he denied the Indian caste system and the Brahmin authority. In that sense, it is impossible for Buddha to be born again as anything, he no longer is.
  
  "But what about the Arhat, the holy one who has extinguished all such desire; does such a one continue to exist? When a wandering ascetic put this question, the Buddha siad:
  
  "The word reborn does not apply to him"
  "Then is he not reborn?"
  "The term not-reborn doe not apply to him"
  "To each and all of my questions, Gotama, you ahve replied in the negative. I am at a loss and bewildered."
  "You ought to be at a loss and bewildered, Vaccha. For this doctrine is profound, recondite, hard to comprehend, rare, excellent, beyond dialectic, subtle, only to be understood by the wise. Let me therefore question you. If there were a fire blazing in front of you, would you know it?"
  "Yes, Gotama."
  "If the fire went out, would you know it had gone out?"
  "Yes."
  "If now you were asked in what direction the fire had gone, whether to east, west, north, or south, could you give me an answer?"
  "The question is not rightly put, Gotama."
  
  Whereupon the Buddha brought the discussion to a close by pointing out that "in just the same way" the ascetic had not rightly put his questions. "Feelings, perceptions, forces, consciousness - everything by which the Arhat might be denoted has passed away for him. Profound, measureless, unfathomable, is the Arhat even as the mighty ocean; reborn does not apploy to him nor not-reborn, nor any combination of such terms"
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Buddha stands both for the person as well as the supreme state of oneness with god.
  
  True that an enlightened one breaks the cycle of birth and death but the avatar of Vishnu keeps appearing when the world is in a mess to correct the situation.This is when the Buddha will volantarily return.
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is where we are at an impasse, I respect your belief, but do not share it.
  
  For me Buddha is not, and never was a God, nor is he returning. As a separate entity he no longer exists, there is nothing of Buddha to return.
  
  However, I just had a thought. If you use Buddha as a metaphor, and do not insist the same Buddha that existed before is returning then I might possibly offer a parallel. Perhaps, some day in the future, when we are once again on the brink of destroying entirely our own kind, another equally intelligent and empathic person will realize truths about human nature, and once again save us from ourselves. I will give you that this future person could be said to be Buddha-like, but that is where my concurrence ends. That future person is not Gotama Buddha himself, for Gotama is gone forever - though the essence of who he was can live on in the people he inspired.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like the way you write. According to Hindu philosophy Vishnu manifests in various forms from time to time to correct the situation.
  The essence being the same the form varies.
  Buddha, Rama, Jesus ,Krishna were all condidered as Vishnu Avatars.
  
  Buddha gained enlightenment or merged with the Light the source and understood his essence to be god the Light.
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you , I like that we've been able to have this conversation without getting angry at each other lol
  
  Ok, now we are on the same page! It would not be Buddha that would be returning, it would be Vishnu as man! I can't argue with that. As I don't believe in gods or Gods I don't see it as such, but I understand what you are staying now
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you ,its been a pleasure
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friends
  
  Buddha in fact has returned in the symbolic form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah Imam Mahdi.
  
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  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  andromidaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps, and only a single person of the world knows about it-paarsurrey
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend andromida
  
  First it always a single man. When the Creator- God Allah YHWH told Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908; then he was alone; and he needed noone else axcept the Creator who told him. Now in millions.
  
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mohitmisra
  
  Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 has written more than eighty books; regarding uniting the religions please read his book "Message of Peace": http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Me … -Peace.pdf
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A messenger no doubt but the prophet is expected now in the beginning of the age of Aquarius.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please elaborat it further for me.
  
  Thanks
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is supposedly the end of Kali Yuga and the prophet will appear now and herald in the New Age of truth .
  
  Then again the number of books one writes is not very important.
  
  Muhammad was instrumental in putting one book the Holy Quran together.
  
  Sage Vyasa the Holy Bhagwat Gita
  
  Valmiki the Holy Ramayana.
  
  A quality like the above masterpieces takes more energy than many other books put together.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mohitmisra
  
  I agree with you. I read Gita; I was overwhelmed by it. I love Krishna as I love Zoroaster, Buddha and Socrates.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nice approach towards truth.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks and regards
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It never happened.
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Greek Oneposted 15 years ago
Dearest Paarsurrey

The other day you shared with us a link concerning the supposed life of Jesus in India.

I invite you to return to that link. Go in particular to the Buddhist section of that SAME exact site: http://www.harisingh.com/newsBuddhism.htm

There you will find an embedded link on the "Siddhartha Gautama". When you click that link, you will find it is written that "at the age of twenty-nine, he left his kingdom and newborn son to lead an ascetic life and determine a way to relieve universal suffering."

This is from a website source given to us by none other than yourself, just the other day, so I am sure it is credible in your eyes.

Glad I could share this knowledge with you!
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  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you! It didn't occur to me to bounce his own link back at him.
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What is the source of Buddha making prophecy of MAITREYA?

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