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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   Sometimes it seems like everyone is arguing about how many fleas are on the dog?
      And what kind of fleas are they? and
      And what color?
      And how did they get on the dog?
      What are we goina do ?
   
       While no one is watching......   The dog is eating all of the chickens.
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     Every one    agrees     that something is wrong.
     But no one can agree as to exactly what that is.
   
     Everyone agrees that the other persons Church has taken a left turn when it should have gone straight.
      By a huge majority It has been generaly agreed upon that Everyones Church took a left turn when it should have gone straight.
   
      See we all agree........  And we are correct.
      Church has taken a left turn when it should have gone straight.
                 Hold on ..wait a minute ..
              There is another other option. 
   
      Maybe The Church kept going on its original path  and it is us that took the left turn; right after we were left behind ????.....

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   Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago

   Nope.
   
   I hope you don't take that "Left Behind" series of books/movies literally.....
   
   
   P.S. by "Church" I mean the true Spiritual Church,  not the established Church "religion"...

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      crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What makes you so certain?

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         Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The confidence in the promise made by my Lord.
         I believe in my heart and confess with my mouth that Jesus is Lord;  therefore I'm saved.  Saved ones don't get "left behind".
         
         
         
         Although, to add in answer to Jerami's question about the "church" taking the wrong path instead of the straight one, I did say that, yes, much of the so-called "church" has taken a wrong path.  The entire basis of the most famous "church" took a wrong path from the start.
         God's "Church" is made up of all true born-again Believers everywhere.  They (we) worship Him in Spirit and Truth, not through ritual and not necessarily in giant temples with statues and stained-glass windows, and definitely not by kneeling before statues.
         
         Although I do love stained-glass windows!

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            crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            But how do you know?  Is it not entirely possible that what you are told to believe today is not what you were meant to believe?

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               Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               No.
               Because I've seen it played out and Spirit-confirmed in nature, in daily life, in the lives of my parents and others who're witnesses to the fact of salvation, as well as in my own life.
               I was born to worship the one true God.

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                  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  You have died or spoken to someone who is dead that confirms this for you?  Feelings alone are not validations.  It is ok to have faith that what you believe is the same path that was meant to be followed, but to claim it is impossible for it to be otherwise is a little naive.
                  
                  To say "I have faith the path I follow is the same path that was first started on" is very different than saying "The path I follow is the same that was first started on, any claims otherwise are nothing but wrong."  The latter is humanely impossible to claim.

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               Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Even more so is that salvation is based upon the works of righteousness by faith. Oddly, this spills over into the thread I posted about quoting script to manifest the power of the Word.
               
               ps, hi Christie, how is all?

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                  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I am well , busy preparing for a show with my Ballroom dance school on May 22, and since I started writing for the Examiner as the Montreal Buddhism Examiner I haven't found the time to start a new hub - even though I have a million ideas for them
                  
                  And yourself?

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                     Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Back from vacation to St Lucia. Just locked in a teaching gig for the local community and launched a marketing training center here in the Big Apps'. Always busy, me. Good to hear you are rocking err dancing.
                     
                     {sorry for hijacking Jerami}

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   Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago

   haha
   
   I laughed at your spelling of "flees" in the title. 
   But it makes sense.    Resist the devil and he will flee from ya.

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   No .  wasn't talking about them.  Refused to read um.
   I to am speaking of Gods church.
     The one that is clothed in white rainment, for  She  HAS  made HERSELF  ready.
     If she is ready will she be incorrect in any of her doctrine?

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      Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      no she would not. It states she is both SPOTLESS & BLAMELESS beforehand.
      Good point, Jerami, very good point.
      To me this is a complete generation of Grace filled people, living 100% by faith, no human strings, material concerns, etc.

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      crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Any religious institution is bound to stray from any original message that was intended.  A strong religious community without institutionalization however is difficult, it's a complicated balance man has not found a solution for - with anything, not just religion.  Government doesn't work, school boards often fail etc. etc.

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         This is true    as long as the church still belongs to mankind.  That is my point.
         And I think 21's point as well.

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            crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, and to make an extrapolation, if it is the church that decides what is and is not God's word, who is to say what we have now is anywhere near the first time it was written.  That is what I was trying to get across to Brenda - "I have faith that it is" is different from "it is", the latter is impossible.

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               Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               It is a lot easier to know exactly what you are thinking when ya say what ya say,   when we hear a tone of voice..
               
                  I think I agree with ya.
               
                  I think that it is like reading a book about the planing stages for "D" day and thinking it is goina happen next week caus it said that it is going to happen next week..
               
                  May not be? But how would we know?

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                  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friends
               
               I think Christianity and Buddhism are alike in a way; it is the Church that decides or decided as to what the word of God is; instead of the Word deciding which is the true Church.
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Buddhism is not like that at all, Buddhists are encouraged to discover on their own, and no one person will tell you what the answer is.
                  
                  "A philosopher asked Buddha: `Without words, without the wordless, will you you tell me truth?'
                  
                  The Buddha kept silence.
                  
                  The philosopher bowed and thanked the Buddha, saying: `With your loving kindness I have cleared away my delusions and entered the true path.'
                  
                  After the philosopher had gone, Ananda asked the Buddha what he had attained.
                  
                  The Buddha replied, `A good horse runs even at the shadow of the whip.' "

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               Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Not so much impossible as improbable.
               It can be achieved, in spite or despite the present condition of the global believing. Never mind the organized position as it has already faltered. Can it be repaired, perhaps. But it would require an overhaul the like even the 1st century believers did not witness.

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   And, what would you say is the underlying cause of that, Crmhaske?

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      crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      human nature as it is now, unless we evolve to be homo "something after sapien" we will not find a universalizing solution, just solutions that work better or worse than others

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   My computer is moving sllooooww.
   Though I've been thinking it for a long time, I have just recently summed up my beliefs into few words.
   
      I think that we are living in Post resurrection times.
   
      If we were, how could we know.
       you should know that if we were post first resurrection, the interpretations of the true message would realy get screwed up instead of down.

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Thank you.

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   {sorry for hijacking Jerami}
   
     no problem    was just a hickup  I'm sure there will be more.

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   Most do not agree with my views.
   I can only say that after more than ten years of skeptically evaluating my views while reading the prophesy, My faith in god is stronger than ever.
   
     Prophesy... Said to be things spoken from God of things that are to take place in the future as determined by the time frame that he has set forth.
      That is my definition of what bib;ical Prophesy is.
    
     from the prospective from when they were delivered
   
   Jesus also delivered prophesy. And I believe what he said;
     "This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled".   
      And then we find the book and want to think that he was speaking to us.

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      crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Man is a complicated machine, the problem with faith is cognitive dissonance.  I site this example from my introduction to psychology textbook explained by wikipedia (I'm too lazy to paraphrase lol):
      
      "An early version of cognitive dissonance theory appeared in Leon Festinger's 1956 book, When Prophecy Fails. This book gave an inside account of belief persistence in members of a UFO doomsday cult, and documented the increased proselytization  they exhibited after the leader's "end of the world" prophecy failed to come true. The prediction of the Earth's destruction, supposedly sent by aliens to the leader of the group, became a disconfirmed expectancy that caused dissonance between the cognitions, "the world is going to end" and "the world did not end." Although some members abandoned the group when the prophecy failed, most of the members lessened their dissonance by accepting a new belief, that the planet was spared because of the faith of the group."
      
      If what you believe turns out to without a doubt be false, you just find another way to explain what happened that does not contradict your prior belief.

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         That can never happen.
         
            Because "The World" has already ended.
           Interpretation has caused all of the confusion concern when it is going to happen.
         
            Ezra 1 ...  tells how Cyrus proclamed;  The God of heaven has given me ALL the kingdoms of the world and he has charged me to build him an house..."
         
            Cyrus did not have dominion over all the world.
         
           Prophesy was given to that Hebrew Nation that existed back then. "The end of the world" for them,     (who the prophesy was given to)   came when that Hebrew Nation ceased to exist.
         
           Prophesy fulfilled... No problem.

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            crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            The specific example isn't the point, the psychological behaviour when their beliefs were undeniably proved false is.  It is human nature not to change our beliefs when we are proven wrong, but to modify them so that we were never wrong to begin with.  As the example shows obviously not every human is like that, but the majority are.  Your immediate reaction to address the prophesy content of the example instead of the subject of cognitive dissonance proves that as well.  It is a human defence mechanism that is so ingrained it takes a great deal of mindfulness to realize it's happening at all.

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               Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               You are correct and I agree, concerning  the vast majority.
               When a belief is proven wrong it is a natural impulse to interpret the situation, forsaking one truth in order to justify holding true to previous assumptions and a false interpretation of the point is question is asserted..
                  I would suggest that about 85% of mankind are either allow their emotions or their supposed logic to govern their decisions in life.
                  In this case I mentally accepted your truth and chose to  furthering a point that I wanted to make.
               
                  was slow answering cause I was eating supper

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                  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I think 100% allow it to happen at some point or another, I know I certainly sometimes let my emotions get the best of me.  The difference between me and that 85% is most of the time shortly after I realize I've done it and correct my thinking accordingly.

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                     Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Like my grand Pa used to say..  All of us get some on us, and some of em let it crawl all over em.
                     
                       I gotta get off of here for a while.  will try to get back in a while.

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