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Learning facts from Science as well as from Word of Revelation

  1. profile image59
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Learning facts from Science as well as from Word of Revelation

    Hi friends

    Please excuse me.

    I rephrase the contents of a post by our friend” Q”:

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/43956?page=2

    “The true believers of Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH use all forms of education including the one based on scriptures. This is the natural result of childhood useful learning imparted to them by their faith. The true believers of Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH will finish our unnatural and useless concepts of life if we do nothing. Of course, speech and education are our ammunition to defend our position but we are helpless before their twofold truthful learning.”

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  2. profile image54
    (Q)posted 7 years ago

    Funny how your OP has nothing to do with the title or science.

  3. Shadesbreath profile image85
    Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago

    Completely meaningless taken out of context.  I'm sure you had a point in doing this, but it failed.  Try again.

    1. Paraglider profile image93
      Paragliderposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, but reading between the lines, what he meant to say was: Scientific knowledge is differentiated from revealed knowledge in this particular: that it comprises the results of, and the logical derivations from, theories that have been put forward in a falsifiable form, but which best efforts to date have not been able to falsify; whereas revealed knowledge is by definition subjective.

      Or something.

      1. earnestshub profile image90
        earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Well you said it Paraglider, but I am not at all sure that he did! lol

        1. Paraglider profile image93
          Paragliderposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          I thought he needed a little help wink

  4. profile image59
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    There is no real contradiction in Religion and Science; as both are modes of human virtual travel into the unseen realm in a sense; the later in the physical and secular realm only while the earlier goes deep in the meaning, purpose, characteristics, attributes, morals and spiritual. They are complementary not contradictory. One is the Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH while the other is Work of Him. Both created by Him. If we fall short of at times understanding the Work of God, the same way we may misunderstand the other; the fault is always on our side as to err is human, and to shift it on the side of God Allah YHWH would be naturally inhuman.

    What is the cure to this scenario?

    Just to improve our understanding with the available appropriate tools in the relative realm. With more experiments and experiences we could improve and photo-finish our understanding.

    Maybe what we consider as a scientific reality as laymen, is not a scientific reality in the eye of Real Scientists; it is an idea, an opinion, a hypothesis, or a theory not yet ripe enough to be a law on merit; so naturally it should not correspond with the Word of God Allah YHWH.

    Human error could play havoc with the Word also. A priest, the fake one of course, may not and must not be able to understand the Word correctly so it would not and must not match with the Scientific Laws, resulting into an apparent ambiguity, which is not there in reality, it is our own personal or collective illusion for the most part.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. profile image54
      (Q)posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Theories must have the capacity to be falsifiable, even if there is only one experiment that can be conducted that would indeed falsify the theory, the theory would be scrapped.

      Can the same be said about religious doctrines or are they absolute and cannot be falsifiable?

      1. profile image59
        paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Hi friend (Q)]

        There is no contradiction in the verses of Quran; only if one tries to understand from the context in the same place or elsewhere in Quran.

        Science and Religion are complementry; You question is wrong.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Your answer is wrong. So sorry Usmanali.
          Thank you for not lying any more. We know this is a valued happenstance but making this wrong is assuredly causing more to do so.

          Peaceable Atheist religion lover.

        2. profile image54
          (Q)posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          That isn't the answer I was looking for, so I'll rephrase it such that all you have to do is answer yes or no.

          Are there any verses in the Quran that have the capacity to be falsifiable with a single experiment or observation?

          1. profile image59
            paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend Q

            Please define the word "falsifiable".

            Quran falsifies all mythical concepts and illusional thoughts with  brillinat and rational arguments though.

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

            1. profile image54
              (Q)posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              So, once again, and right on time, as usual, completely expected, you didn't answer a question.

              Why are you even here?

              1. profile image59
                paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Funny question; what are you here for?

                1. profile image54
                  (Q)posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  What are you hiding? Why won't you answer the question? Why do make a claim and then refuse to answer questions?

                  1. profile image59
                    paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Hi friend (Q)]

                    Tell me;what are you here for?

                    Thanks

                    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

            2. profile image54
              (Q)posted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Let me introduce to you the concept of "intellectual honesty" with your perfect example of "intellectual dishonesty" - you don't ask someone to define a word and then use the word immediately in the next sentence.

              I do know that the concept of 'honesty' is a difficult one to grasp for the Islamic propagandist, but please do try to muster some effort in that regard. Thanks.

    2. SpiritMom profile image61
      SpiritMomposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It takes interpretation to make them agree with each other, otherwise the contradictions are outstanding.

      They are two different methods of thinking. One answers and one questions.  So I don't know about your assertion. It is both false and true, depending on your perspective.

      1. profile image59
        paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Please give an example which you yourself have observed while reading Quran.

  5. profile image59
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Learning facts from Science as well as from Word of Revelation; and that makes man very fortunate.

 
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