Learning facts from Science as well as from Word of Revelation

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Learning facts from Science as well as from Word of Revelation
   
   Hi friends
   
   Please excuse me.
   
   I rephrase the contents of a post by our friend” Q”:
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/43956?page=2
   
   “The true believers of Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH use all forms of education including the one based on scriptures. This is the natural result of childhood useful learning imparted to them by their faith. The true believers of Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH will finish our unnatural and useless concepts of life if we do nothing. Of course, speech and education are our ammunition to defend our position but we are helpless before their twofold truthful learning.”
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   (Q)posted 14 years ago

   Funny how your OP has nothing to do with the title or science.

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   Shadesbreathposted 14 years ago

   Completely meaningless taken out of context.  I'm sure you had a point in doing this, but it failed.  Try again.

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      Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, but reading between the lines, what he meant to say was: Scientific knowledge is differentiated from revealed knowledge in this particular: that it comprises the results of, and the logical derivations from, theories that have been put forward in a falsifiable form, but which best efforts to date have not been able to falsify; whereas revealed knowledge is by definition subjective.
      
      Or something.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well you said it Paraglider, but I am not at all sure that he did!

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            Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I thought he needed a little help

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   There is no real contradiction in Religion and Science; as both are modes of human virtual travel into the unseen realm in a sense; the later in the physical and secular realm only while the earlier goes deep in the meaning, purpose, characteristics, attributes, morals and spiritual. They are complementary not contradictory. One is the Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH while the other is Work of Him. Both created by Him. If we fall short of at times understanding the Work of God, the same way we may misunderstand the other; the fault is always on our side as to err is human, and to shift it on the side of God Allah YHWH would be naturally inhuman.
   
   What is the cure to this scenario?
   
   Just to improve our understanding with the available appropriate tools in the relative realm. With more experiments and experiences we could improve and photo-finish our understanding.
   
   Maybe what we consider as a scientific reality as laymen, is not a scientific reality in the eye of Real Scientists; it is an idea, an opinion, a hypothesis, or a theory not yet ripe enough to be a law on merit; so naturally it should not correspond with the Word of God Allah YHWH.
   
   Human error could play havoc with the Word also. A priest, the fake one of course, may not and must not be able to understand the Word correctly so it would not and must not match with the Scientific Laws, resulting into an apparent ambiguity, which is not there in reality, it is our own personal or collective illusion for the most part.
   
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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Theories must have the capacity to be falsifiable, even if there is only one experiment that can be conducted that would indeed falsify the theory, the theory would be scrapped.
      
      Can the same be said about religious doctrines or are they absolute and cannot be falsifiable?

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend (Q)]
         
         There is no contradiction in the verses of Quran; only if one tries to understand from the context in the same place or elsewhere in Quran.
         
         Science and Religion are complementry; You question is wrong.
         
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         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Your answer is wrong. So sorry Usmanali.
            Thank you for not lying any more. We know this is a valued happenstance but making this wrong is assuredly causing more to do so.
            
            Peaceable Atheist religion lover.

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            (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            That isn't the answer I was looking for, so I'll rephrase it such that all you have to do is answer yes or no.
            
            Are there any verses in the Quran that have the capacity to be falsifiable with a single experiment or observation?

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend Q
               
               Please define the word "falsifiable".
               
               Quran falsifies all mythical concepts and illusional thoughts with  brillinat and rational arguments though.
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  So, once again, and right on time, as usual, completely expected, you didn't answer a question.
                  
                  Why are you even here?

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                     paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Funny question; what are you here for?

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                        (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        What are you hiding? Why won't you answer the question? Why do make a claim and then refuse to answer questions?

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                           paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Hi friend (Q)]
                           
                           Tell me;what are you here for?
                           
                           Thanks
                           
                           I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                              chatpilotposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              paarsurrey anyone who has taken the time to study religion in depth can see that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are nothing more than off shoots of one another. Christianity and Islam have done nothing more than what the Hebrews have done and that is to plagiarize more ancient and preexisting myths of the past. Science and religion are not at war in my opinion but they far from compliment each other. In fact religion has had to constantly restate its fallacies due to scientific discoveries. Science and religion are like oil and water, they just don't mix. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just delusional.

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                                 paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 
                                 
                                 Hi friend chatpilot
                                 
                                 I don't agree with you.
                                 
                                 Thanks

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                  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Let me introduce to you the concept of "intellectual honesty" with your perfect example of "intellectual dishonesty" - you don't ask someone to define a word and then use the word immediately in the next sentence.
                  
                  I do know that the concept of 'honesty' is a difficult one to grasp for the Islamic propagandist, but please do try to muster some effort in that regard. Thanks.

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      SpiritMomposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It takes interpretation to make them agree with each other, otherwise the contradictions are outstanding.
      
      They are two different methods of thinking. One answers and one questions.  So I don't know about your assertion. It is both false and true, depending on your perspective.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Please give an example which you yourself have observed while reading Quran.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Learning facts from Science as well as from Word of Revelation; and that makes man very fortunate.

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