Now that times are moving on, do you think Science and Religion will ever be able to fully coinside?
I'm really interested to know other people's opinions and discuss ideas on the matter.
It's always something that has interested me and has sparked many in-depth debates and discussions in my life.
What do you think the strengths and weaknesses of Scoence and Religion are?
Could they both work at the same time?
I don't think science and religion will ever agree or come to a common goal that science supports religion. This will be especially the case with scientists who don't believe there is a Super natural force, God at work. As such they will try to come up with theories to explain things when in fact science does support what is written in the Holy Scriptures. Consider the Bible, what many of the things contained there weren't known to scientists but through advancement in technology, they infact confirmed what the Bible has always held as true.
Also, it should be considered scientists work by evidence, by seeing to believe and by use of numbers to explain things. So, how can you explain whether a person is demonically possessed. Science can prove it because instruments, equipments and devices cannot measure. They cannot use numbers to explain it. So, it remains it's an illusion or a mental problem. Science cannot explain or prove things that are spiritual, only physical, and that is where science and religion never see each other hand in hand.
Religion will never approve most of science, for example, evolution, the big bang theory and such. As such, these two will never be good comrades but the fact remains science has proved more than it does want to accept that in fact the Bible is true, and God exists. If you doubt: look at the Bible and ask why is it the year is not complete. 366days
It's a great answer. Science and religion may not go hand-in-hand. But, you should not confuse Philosophy and Religion. Religion is a faith and belief in certain customs and practices. Philosophy is wider which includes science & a base for reli
Thanks Benny for sharing your opinion, it was a great answer.
I'd be interested to know how you think Humans Colonising on Mars will reflect on religious values and religion itself?
No, religion will always be ahead of science because it extends into other dimensions. Religion is thousands of years ahead of science. Science still hasn't figured out the ancient Egyptians and that's 5,000 years ago. Things done by spiritual powers are not understood by science. Science needs proof, religion only needs faith for miracles to happen.
Thanks for your answer Sri T, your opinion is very interesting. Would you care to explain deeper into your opinions and what you mean about other dimensions, the ancient Egyptians and Miracles?
Science cannot enter the deeper states of consciousness or the astral world with test instruments because it is non-physical. The ancient Egyptians had access to esoteric knowledge that is barely understood by most. Not many know how to do miracles.
Sri T, thank you for your input, it's a very interesting opinion, who can "do miracles"?
The adepts who practice and use the hidden knowledge of the mind.
Science when practiced with it as the ultimate authority in and of itself is religion. Regarding defining an ultimate higher authority is a different matter altogether. Can one practice science as a religion while having a dogma associated with a deity IMHO is possible and is probable. That is no different than a person who religiously follows NFL football for instance. Anything can be a religion when practiced religiously.
Thank you for your answer Tim, It was very interesting to read, would you care to elaborate on what you mean by practicing Science as a Religion, this concept is something that I feel would be interesting to discuss.
With limited space a metaphor while is truth as we know it a Doctor Practices. Religion itself IMHO is only a definition without assignment until assigned, i.e., a dogma of deity, economic powers, faith in science, and etc. I practice many religions.
Thank you so much for your input Tim, it has been quite insightful.
Your welcome Lee. With the shortness of space to comment I ask forgiveness if it seemed an air of harsh or brash That is not the intent :-) Possibly a hub would offer opportunity to expand my thoughts? Thank you for the opportunity of this question!
That's okay Tim, I figured it wouldn't be the intent I was considering writing a Hub on the subject myself, I would also love to hear your views on my Hub about Mars One and how that might affect things like religion that we've discussed here.
Not sure odd or of oddity that hub is what caught my attention when stopping by. Still is the conscious realm too. Thank you for reminder as I write it down :-)
I really appreciate your feedback Tim, thank you.
I think that science and religion (or at least spirituality) are connected in some fundamental way. This is because there is much to reality that we still do not know about. The history of scientific discovery has been more like scientific un-covery, uncovering things that have always been there, but hidden, and I do not see any reason why this would not continue. Spirituality deals with the un- manifest, but in a way so does scientific research. That is what they have in common; they both seek to make manifest, that which is not. That is why many believers think of the spirit, or the higher powers, or God, as being "real." Just something to think about.
Probably not. Science views religion as a stepping stone; the filler material we used before we knew certain things about the world around us. And religion views science as a threat to its spirituality and customs. With neither side interested in dealing with the other, I wouldn't be surprised if they never fully coincide. However, that doesn't mean they can't co-exist. If we can come to an agreement of mutual well-being, then our difference of views won't matter.
Thank you for your answer here as well MT, how would you suggest a coexistence that would end up with an agreement of mutual well-being? Interesting read.
To get to that coexistence, there needs to be an equalization of power. One can't dominate the other. I would say it's somewhat lopsided right now, but time should naturally balance it out.
Thanks again MT, in what direction would you say it was currently lopsided towards?
It's currently lopsided in favor of religion. It's considered taboo if you identify as an atheist, and religion is an unofficial requirement for positions of power (even if the candidate secretly believes otherwise).
You believe it to be religion still? I guess it depends what country you are in. Thanks for your replies MT.
Both science and religion have been corrupted by corporations and by ego (selfishness and self-concern = ego). This makes both of them weak to start with.
Eliminate ego from both and you have a chance of both working together. Both seek truth. Science deals with continuity-based physical reality, while spirituality (the true basis of religion) deals with discontinuity-based spiritual reality. They complement each other. Between the two of them they cover all of reality. Science deals with the products of creation, while spirituality deals with the sources of creation.
They can never merge or coincide, because they deal with two entirely different aspects of reality. But they can work together. The tools for searching for Truth and even relative truths can apply to both.
Science is bogged down with the wrong paradigm -- skepticism. How is this wrong? Because it is biased with "doubt." Science, by definition, should not be biased. It's incredibly dumb that scientists are using a blatant bias to approach discovery. A far better paradigm is restraint and humility. Humility is the real ingredient that makes discovery possible, but too many scientists enjoy their egos.
Ego also corrupts religion. Too many think their denomination or religion is the only one and miss the meaning of spiritual truth.
And there are some very evil people working in the darkness of anonymity to subvert humanity. People like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. They use their money to start and finance wars, implement policies that destroy and corrupt the foundations of humanity. As long as their corrupting influence continues unrecognized, we will never have a chance at bringing science and spirituality together for the benefit of all. The Rockefellers, for instance, or eugenicists. They are our enemy. To them, we're "useless eaters," consuming their resources. Who made Earth their resource? They did, in their own minds.
But we have to forgive them. Fighting them will only make them stronger. We have to love them and to shine a light on their evil.
If there is a God (and I think there is), I think He/She (for further reference, let's say "he") will some day reveal himself to all humanity. On that occasion, he will explain the mysteries of science (for example, is all matter really based on String Theory?) and show that religion and science are indeed connected. For now, religion isn't scientific, because Christianity, for example, claims that Jesus was born of a virgin. But God, since he seems to have control over the mysteries of science (for evidently having created the miniature autonomous universe called the animal cell, which includes the mind-boggling DNA molecule), will show how a virgin can give birth to a baby, something that seems far more simple than creating an animal cell. He will also show us how matter can be created in a finer-type invisible substance which would allow "angels" to come to and give help to mortals, another task far more simple than creating an animal cell.
Yes; if humans can come close to doing these types of things (in vitro fertilization and holistic movies), then God surely can do much, much better, thus uniting religion and science.
+1 Well said, if God is God it would stand to reason that our finite minds could not fully comprehend him unless He chooses to reveal Himself. Another question I'd ask is what purpose would an eye serve in the millions of years it took to evolve?
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