Angels and other strangers

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   A.Villarasaposted 14 years ago

   The adage that angels are our guiding light has to me become less tenuous indeed. Angels, being creatures of the ether, could be preceived to affect our lives only in so far as they make themselves manifest in some form or the other that neither surprises nor perplexes. The laws of physics notwithstanding, these heavenly sentries do not seem to mind being pulled this way or that way, in ways less forceful than the slightest tug to their pure-white sleeves. However we might wish that these  "light of our lives" never return to their ethereal moorings, they could not  possibly illuminate all the nooks and crannies of our everyday existence even if they are able to bend with our most thoughtful wishes.

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Don't you mean, the laws of physics violated?

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         A.Villarasaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Of course...that is, if you believe in angels and that they could move and be moved in less mysterious ways than Einstein's  relativity conundrum.

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      Dave Mathewsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      
      Obviously you need to be enlightened. We are all created in a spiritual form first and foremost. We are assigned by God to a human form, in order to blend in with the other humans already on earth. We have all been assigned certain tasks,duties,objectives, that must be carried out, as well we need to learn as much as we possibly can learn about God our creator, and his expectations, prior to returning to Him in Heaven, when he recalls us. Therefore guardian angels are spirits visiting us to pass on to us, information, and keep watch, because satan is also an angel but evil and can if we are not careful corrupt us as he himself is corrupted.

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         A.Villarasaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hello Dave:
         Thank you for posting your comments. I must admit that I need some enlightening on some issues (Obama's leftist ideology comes to mind), but on this one I will have to disagree. I do agree with what you are saying about angels, but your statement "We have all been assigned certain tasks, duties, objectives that must be carried out...." riled me no end. You see I believe in free will and your proposal that God created robots and not human beings capable of  unique, specific, and soporific ideas, ideals and ideologies, chilled my bone to the core.

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            LeslieAdrienneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            A.Villarasa,
            
            I don't think he meant it that way. What I think he is saying is that, God has a plan for our lives but, we choose to follow His plan or not. There is no coercion but a simple choice....

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, here is the simple choice from the bible.
               
                 If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.   (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
               
               
               
               Now there is a choice for you!

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                  LeslieAdrienneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi Ernestshub, - God Bless You-
                  
                  I don't see where there is a choice when you are being thrust through...especially if you can't run faster than your daddy can thow a spear....

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                     earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     God offers his followers many opportunities to kill murder and rape.
                     I know hundreds of them in the bible and quoran.
                     
                     Many times the mad sky fairy offers to do the smiting himself.

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                        hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        You've been told all about this many times yet you still persist. Gods people were killing baby killers and child m%Le#@ers and just horrid awful people who ate people and drank their blood. The worst gods people ever did was eat the animal sacrifice they offered to God.
                        
                        now get over this obsession with what you wrongly perceive as bible cruelty to humans.
                        
                        it was over land and land only. God didn't tell his people to loot for money he wanted them to have the land and rightly so, because the other nations who had gods that told them to steal murder r@pe, destroy had no such limitations. The people you say were horrible were actually the meek and peaceful ones.
                        
                        for the last time i hope.
                        yah, hehe.. god can Smart Bomb a good sized piece of hail.. no problem onto a baby killer... okay... B A B Y     K I L L E R... remember that.

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         Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Brother Dave,
         
         May I ask you to take note of
         Genesis 2: 7
         
         and 1Corinthians 15: 45-50?

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   klarawieckposted 14 years ago

   I have heard, however, that they are a little short-staffed in the ethereal plane. Hence you pray and they don't always answer. It's the economy... Darned Bush!

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What happened to your other avatar? It was much better.

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         klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Beely, can't post my own picture because I'm a teacher. I don't want to get fired for saying the wrong thing. You get me? I just posted it for a few days to let you know I wasn't holding a crystal ball.
         But since you stereotype me anyways, I chose this one - holding tarot cards! LOL
         Hope you are doing well.

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You stereotype yourself with crystal balls and tarot cards, my dear.

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               klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Beely, I never had a crystal ball in any of my avatars. I had a picture of a naked lady holding a light in her hands... that was not a crystal ball! I uploaded the avatar of the tarot reader because of you, because you upset me so much a while back after making mean remarks about me having a crystal ball. I'm trying... very hard... to be good to you. I would never make a stereotype out of you, and I could, trust me. But I'm not like that. You can throw as many rocks as you want at me, I will continue giving you flowers.

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                  hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  her puppy is cute too
                  
                  ribbit

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      A.Villarasaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sorry to  shatter your crystal ball Klara, but it's Obama's bad economy now. Bush has long been gone from his  "crime scene", so to speak, and this current  crime scene is replete with Obama's fingerprints.

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         klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         His name is not Obama anymore. According to the Gypsies of Spain, he is now Mohamma... lol

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            earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I must be outta touch. Can you explain please Klara?

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               klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Michelle went to Granada and the Spanish gypsies greeted the girls and Michelle in a flamenco cave. Gypsies have a tendency of being "out of touch" with world events and news, and they are funny as hell. This gypsy woman, part of the flamenco dance group that performed for the first lady, didn't really know how to pronounce Obama. She kept on calling her Mohamma...
               
               She said "Mohamma... bring your husband next time, Mohamma!" lol
               It was all over the news! Really really funny!!! Anyways, Michelle stood up and danced flamenco and all. She left with tears in her eyes and promised to come back with Mohamma!

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                  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Wow! I am out of touch. Haven't seen the news while I've had the flu. Too much imput then!
                  
                  That is funny alright! Michelle seems nice from where I sit.
                  I will look for the story.
                  Ain't the Internet grand?
                  
                  My modem threw a curly yesterday and I lost access for 7 hours.
                  I couldn't track down a globe for a headlight or find out opening hours. It's scary without it.

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                     klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     My husband just told me if I don't cut short my HP time, he'll divorce me! lol Ouch!!! This is truly addicting!

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                        earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Sign him up under yourself Klara!
                        I work online anyway so I have one screen open on hubpages all day sometimes.

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                           klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           He doesn't do chatting. That's how the two of us met, so I think he's a bit worried! lol

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                              earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Tell him to just write hubs about things he loves. Like you for example. Then do what all good wives do. Use blackmail, seduction and cuddles to control him.
                              
                              Geeze! First I give you free religious instruction, now it's marriage guidance!

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                        Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        He must have found out about the Everglades thingy.

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                           klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           
                           
                           
                           
                           He's used to my sense of humour! Plus, that's what he gets for telling me everyday he's going to ship me back to Spain!

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                              Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              I would never say something like that to my wife even as a joke. He doesn't seem to know very much about women.
                              
                              Sounds like he needs a bit of a butt kicking.

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                                 klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 I think that's the response he likes to get from me - a good spanking! Nah, he really is great! We joke all the time but I really couldn't ask for a better man. I'm very lucky as I'm sure your wife is too.

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                                    earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Go back in the thread Klara, I explained how you can handle him! (your husband)

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      hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      There is always an answer to prayer.... yes, no and not yet.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Not one single solitary proof of one of billions of prayers answered in the last 2,000 years should clear it all up for you.

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            hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            hahahahaha.  OMG. LOL. hahahahahahahahahaha You can't be serious! LOL
            
            
            
            
            hahahahahaha lol hahahaha omg lol hahahahahaha thats so funny. U actually believe what you wrote... hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
            It will be difficult to top that for the day
            hahahahahahhaha.
            not to be offensive
            but
            hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
            I suppose there is no bible either lol
            nor anything called a tree hahahahahaha
            
            and then to say "should clear it all up for me" (consider the above to copied and pasted again   thats so arrogant LOL.

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Does the phrase "Thou protesteth too much" ring a bell?
               
               Self exposing....  My favourite type of response!
               
               Your reply says more about you than you would like. .............now if you were able to recognise it.

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                  hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Your reply says more about you than you would like. .............now if you were able to recognise it
                  
                  hahahahahaha lol hahahaha omg lol hahahahahaha thats so funny. U actually believe what you wrote... hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
                  It will be difficult to top that for the day
                  hahahahahahhaha.
                  not to be offensive
                  but
                  hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
                  you're not flawed
                  nothing wrong with you
                  God needs to change because you say so.... lol hahahahaha
                  thats getting old too... hahahahahaha
                  read it for what it is instead of trying to turn it around.

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                     earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Thanks, you did it again.
                     
                     Like I have said before, say what you will you can only say what you are!

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                        hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        your arguments are so old and so unfounded and so ridiculous and so redundant.
                        what do they say in your precious psychology?
                        admittance is 60% of the cure.
                        and that blaming others for your own mistakes only makes the original mistake bigger.
                        
                        I can't believe you think you have the right to speak for everybody for the last 2000yrs. Your ego must be so very very very large that if you were in the garden they would have to move you out for lack of room.
                        WOTALOTOFROT!!
                        If you ever expected god to answer your prayer nowadays, it would have to be a prayer of repentance. Good luck with that.

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                           hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           AND denial is 100% of the problem

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                              earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              It sure is, I see you only address scripture from other religionists. I don't make this stuff up ya know!
                              It's all in your "good book"

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                                 kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 earnest, so confused again.  always friday night about some book, chicks with wings, a hood in the sky and a ghetto somewhere down under, and most confused about some dude they pray to called dog.  See my point?
                                 
                                 best sleep, I'll never survive these streets, too many gangsters
                                 
                                 btw you are looking well for 95
                                 
                                 night!

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                                    earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Goodnight Kimberley. It is way too confusing for me too. We do have a dog I can worship though!

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                                 hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 You really don't see anything is the actual problem and the fact that you deny is a huge problem. You don't even follow your own psychology.

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                                    earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    How would you know what I follow. You never read anything apparently.
                                    
                                    I'm surprised you could spell it!

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                                       hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       you keep on making my point and men in white coats will show up.
                                       this sort of stuff gets around yknow.
                                       
                                       once your caught muttering to yourself on the street... we won't see you for a while.
                                       perhaps you will blame the god what smites while your in there
                                       things will be so quiet
                                       it'll be a wee slice o heaven then cobbie.

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                                          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          I would suggest that the comment is not as clever as you think, and not as funny as you think either. In fact other than to launch a personal attack, it has no merit at all that I can see.

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   alternate poetposted 14 years ago

   There was a British king around 4 or 500 ish who 'retired' and spent years working on the serious problem of how big an angels wing span must be.  Just goes to show that anyone can be a drivelling idiot if they try

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   Sweetsusiegposted 14 years ago

   Come on folks... don't burst my bubble...  I wanna be an Angel when I grow up! 
   
   Well I do aspire to be the best person I can while in my earthly form, I just want to be able to help more folks when I leave this shell.  If it takes becoming an Angel then that's what I want to do!

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      hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      well bible says, repent and be saved and you shall not perish. Since there is only one god and he created the angels, well ya have to go by the rules.
      Being the best person you can be, without the knowledge of God and without a personal relationship with him is called "salvation by works" and it does not measure up to Gods standards. We cannot earn our way in God has to allow us entry, even after salvation we cannot earn or force or work our way in only by obedience to the promptings of his holy spirit, there's that personal relationship aspect again, can we obtain the promises of God.
      
      Being an angel isn't so great. They only do what they are told to do and since jesus' visitation they have been pretty much on standby as far as helping people.

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         Sweetsusiegposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         John 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
         
         Yes, I realize this.
         
         As far as angels go, here are a few things I think may be possible.  You ever get a thought to do something wrong then all of a sudden you change your mind?  Is that an Angel guiding you?
         
         You ever need something really bad?  The next thing you know someone is giving it to you, without you asking for it.  Couldn't we accept the possibility of God working through Angels?
         
         Just a thought.

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            hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Isaiah 45:7   I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
            
            Ephesians 4:6   One God and Father of all, who is above all, and THROUGH ALL, and IN you all.
            
            we could but i'd rather stick to scripture.

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               Sweetsusiegposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               So you are saying that God is never changing?  He is resolute?  That once he has said something it can't change?

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                  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  If it is the exact opposite of what he said before, that isn't really changing, that's contradiction.

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                  hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  God has changed the dispensation. The first dispensation is what the jews lived under, the flesh. This new dispensation is with jesus christ. The next dispensation will be gods wrath poured out.
                  
                  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dispensation
                  Theology .
                  a.the divine ordering of the affairs of the world.
                  b.an appointment, arrangement, or favor, as by god.
                  c.a divinely appointed order or age: the old Mosaic, or Jewish, dispensation; the new gospel, or Christian, dispensation.
                  
                  God never changes, he is constant.
                  His dispensations do change.
                  
                  Beelzedad ? what are you talking about.. can you try to add some more information or am i supposed to guess at what you mean. Sometimes i feel like i am dealing with kids.

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                     Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     So sorry if you are having reading comprehension problems.

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                        hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        so sorry if you are having communication problems

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                     Sweetsusiegposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     hanging out - I dispute nothing from the word of God.  Let's get back to the Angels, what you are saying has nothing to do with my comment.

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                        klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Hi Susie,
                        Beelzedad is relentless... and impossible! lol

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                        hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        you'll have to think on it a bit longer.. maybe even pray about it but it does connect exactly.

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   In the first case, that was spam, in the second case I reported it.

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      hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      
      I don't think anyone knows what you are talking about here either.
      
      there's a rat in the soup
      looks good on a resume'
      
      

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         Dave Barnettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Angels can be manifested as flesh and bone. Those are the true angels. They help, not hinder. You may be entertaining them, unaware.

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            Sweetsusiegposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you Dave for clarifying that, this is what I was referring to, to begin with. 
            
            I want to be an Angel when I grow up.  As a servant of God whatever he has in mind for me, that will be ok.

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               hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hebrews 13:2   Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
               Nice verse, be not forgetful to entertain strangers, (talking to us) for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. (talking about the OT examples of angel visitations) Of course we know that angels can refer to human emissaries as well.
               
               unawares perhaps, but a full on sign, a glowy angel visitation that interferes with your faith walk, nope. Angel visitations were allowed in the first dispensation but not in the second.
               
               God has called us to be sons of god and to no angel has he ever called a son.
               
               angels are not flesh and blood and neither can be. Show me a scripture that says that. They come in the shape of men, but jesus said feel my hands a spirit hath not flesh and blood as ye see. Angels are spiritual beings and can never manifest in the flesh.

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                  Sweetsusiegposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Scripture is all well and good, but didn't Adam and Eve eat from the tree of forbidden fruit?  Giving each individual their own thoughts?  I have my thoughts and you have yours, each of us gets to interpret the Word in their own fashion. 
                  
                  I like my way better.

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                     hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Your way is not accurate. Accuracy is tantamount. This is why we have scripture and not so everybody can interpret their own way. This is why the holy spirit of god lives inside us and is called the spirit of truth. Your focus needs to be on submission to god, not trying to be something you scripturally cannot be.
                     
                     but whatever.. i have done my job. You may do as you please, my hands are clean. I sense our discussions are over.

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            hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            you people are much to quick to jump to writings that (seem to) clarify what you want to believe instead of searching the scriptures to discover truth or having read the scriptures on a daily basis thereby begining to understand more and more.

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         Dave Barnettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         And rat's in the soup never looks good on a resume. Unless you're in S.E. Asia or China

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            hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            hehehe
            oh the pride lol
            nebuchadnezzar, was forced to eat grass how much different are these people?

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