If you believe Judas was forgiven by God -as I do- and Angels alike, why don't people forgive him?
It seems people like to hate but doesn't this make them more like the cruel Roman soldiers than make them akin to The most high, God of all creation and munificent forgiveness, and if he needed forgiving does that mean it was still a bad thing to do, and why?
I had forgiven him. Beside, I also feel sorry for him. If we were in his time, in his situation, we might have done the same thing. We're confidently criticised him because we are not in his situation. Sometimes, we are like Simon, he was so confident from the started but then he was so weak at the end.
Most people seem not to understand what true forgiveness is all about. Forgiveness is a clean break with the bonds which tie one to the resentment of the past.
For many, Judas was the enemy -- the betrayer. Many Christians have mistreated Jews for the same reason. They forget that we must not judge others.
Yehoshua needed a betrayer to facilitate his mission. He needed someone full of ego. All of his disciples had a measure of ego (the original sin); that's why he was here.
But Judas did the ultimate in ego -- suicide -- the ultimate in separation of self from everyone and everything, just as ego was the separation of Adam from God in the Garden of Heaven.
I wish Judas well. May he awaken to God, if that is even possible.
There goes another opinion, but where did you read that? God, and angels forgiving Judas is out of harmony with divine justice, because if it were so, then Jesus, and God are in disagreement.
According to Jesus’ comment:
“Woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been finer for that man if he had not been born.”
From henceforth following Jesus’ last night Satan enters Judas, taking advantage of the opening in his heart, because his heart was bad. He was a thief while he is serving Jesus. He had the contribution box, and he would steal money from it. According to this Jesus had no intention to forgive one who betrayed him. Later that night, Jesus fittingly calls Judas “the son of destruction.”
I see no references to angels getting involved, or making any comment about Judas, but Peter certainly did when Judas took his own life Peter described it:
This very man, (Judas) purchased a field with the wages for unrighteousness, and pitching head foremost he noisily burst in his midst and all his intestines were poured out. (Acts 1:18)
Was he forgiven, not according to the Psalms, because don’t forget he was one of the apostles, he was a thief, and he betrayed Jesus. Here’s what is written in the book of Psalms:
“Let his lodging place become desolate, and let there be no dweller in it, and, his office of oversight let someone else take.”
I think its because jesus represented a total and complete good, anyone whom would sell him out and contribute to his torturous death would be concidered an absolute evil. Hard to let evil that destroyed the king of kings just brush off the shoulder.
But, without the betrayal, there would have been no death of jesus, and the glorious but brutal story would have gone a much different way. The passing by betrayal left us all with a very wonderful story of our kings last days, pry wouldnt have emotionally grabbed us as much if Jesus died of old age, or just disappeared after a wonderfull speach.
So I guess even though he sold out Jesus, we can thank judas for starting one of the greatest death and ressurection stories ever written and told.
Me personally, the only anger I harbor is the amount of silver he got for the information he gave. 30 pieces of silver was a total lowball, I think he could have gotten much more.
All miss the point of the reason for Jesus Christ' life. If you look on sites here like by Dave Mathews; you might get it. Also my own blog actually answers the question to some extent. I wrote this question as a guide for those even more lost than I am! The answer is Jesus' death showed those of that day that man may rise to life and ascend to The Heaven World. Judas' whole reason for being there seems to have been to make the necessary arrangements. So the people of that day would write a lasting testament to it for all to see -if they want.
Traditional theology did not see Judas as forgiven. Not only had he betrayed Christ, he despaired and took his own life--responding to mortal sin, not by turning to God with repentance, but by committing another mortal sin.
To me, Scripture suggests that perhaps Christ forgave Judas, as He forgave the Roman soldiers even as they nailed Him to the cross. But then, I don't think like most other people, I've noticed.
"...if he needed forgiving does that mean it was still a bad thing to do, and why?"
Sorry, can't parse that question--I don't know what you mean to ask.
But I will say that the whole story of Judas is a paradoxical one: God's plan of redemptive sacrifice seems to turn on an act of depraved evil. It's challenging to know what to make of that. Was Judas 'predestined' to act this way? Which begs the question, was he 'predestined' for Hell? Presumably Calvin (and like-minded theologians) thought so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_(Calvinism)
by ngureco 14 years ago
Do You Find It Logical That Jesus Wanted Judas To Betray Him - According To Gospel Of Judas?
by Barine Sambaris 8 years ago
Why is the sin against the Holyspirit not forgiven according to Matt 12:31?And what is exactly a sin against the Holy spirit which cannot be forgiven?
by Peeples 8 years ago
Christians, If you sin and die 5 minutes later do you go to hell?So if you don't have time to ask for your forgiveness do you go to hell? Can your God forgive you and accept you into heaven even if you didn't get a chance to ask for him to forgive?
by Debra Allen 7 years ago
The Bible says that all one has to do is ask for forgiveness. Now being that, do you think that Satan might have already asked God for forgiveness? Now before you rattle off scripture.....I don't believe...but I could be wrong....that the Bible has nothing to say on that.
by PhoenixV 9 years ago
Was Judas Iscariot Ever Saved Or Did He Lose His Salvation?
by Dave Mathews 13 years ago
Why is Judas Iscariot viewed as being guilty of betrayal and judged a sinner by Catholics?Christianity and the church teaches that Almighty God is all knowing. Christianity and the church also teaches that God through Jesus forgives all sin not just this sin or that sin, but all sin is totally...
Copyright © 2024 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. HubPages® is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website.
Copyright © 2024 Maven Media Brands, LLC and respective owners.
As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. To provide a better website experience, hubpages.com uses cookies (and other similar technologies) and may collect, process, and share personal data. Please choose which areas of our service you consent to our doing so.
For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at: https://corp.maven.io/privacy-policy
Show DetailsNecessary | |
---|---|
HubPages Device ID | This is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons. |
Login | This is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service. |
Google Recaptcha | This is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy) |
Akismet | This is used to detect comment spam. (Privacy Policy) |
HubPages Google Analytics | This is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy) |
HubPages Traffic Pixel | This is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized. |
Amazon Web Services | This is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy) |
Cloudflare | This is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy) |
Google Hosted Libraries | Javascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the googleapis.com or gstatic.com domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy) |
Features | |
---|---|
Google Custom Search | This is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy) |
Google Maps | Some articles have Google Maps embedded in them. (Privacy Policy) |
Google Charts | This is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy) |
Google AdSense Host API | This service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy) |
Google YouTube | Some articles have YouTube videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy) |
Vimeo | Some articles have Vimeo videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy) |
Paypal | This is used for a registered author who enrolls in the HubPages Earnings program and requests to be paid via PayPal. No data is shared with Paypal unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy) |
Facebook Login | You can use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No data is shared with Facebook unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy) |
Maven | This supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy) |
Marketing | |
---|---|
Google AdSense | This is an ad network. (Privacy Policy) |
Google DoubleClick | Google provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy) |
Index Exchange | This is an ad network. (Privacy Policy) |
Sovrn | This is an ad network. (Privacy Policy) |
Facebook Ads | This is an ad network. (Privacy Policy) |
Amazon Unified Ad Marketplace | This is an ad network. (Privacy Policy) |
AppNexus | This is an ad network. (Privacy Policy) |
Openx | This is an ad network. (Privacy Policy) |
Rubicon Project | This is an ad network. (Privacy Policy) |
TripleLift | This is an ad network. (Privacy Policy) |
Say Media | We partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy) |
Remarketing Pixels | We may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites. |
Conversion Tracking Pixels | We may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service. |
Statistics | |
---|---|
Author Google Analytics | This is used to provide traffic data and reports to the authors of articles on the HubPages Service. (Privacy Policy) |
Comscore | ComScore is a media measurement and analytics company providing marketing data and analytics to enterprises, media and advertising agencies, and publishers. Non-consent will result in ComScore only processing obfuscated personal data. (Privacy Policy) |
Amazon Tracking Pixel | Some articles display amazon products as part of the Amazon Affiliate program, this pixel provides traffic statistics for those products (Privacy Policy) |
Clicksco | This is a data management platform studying reader behavior (Privacy Policy) |