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94% Americans: they "believe in God or a universal spirit"

  1. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Hi friends

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/51068?p … ost1168161
    Religious Tolerance Comparison of US Religious Sentiment vs. Other Predominantly Christian Nations; courtesy Pandoras Box


    “Since 1944, the Gallup Poll has been asking Americans whether they "believe in God or a universal spirit." The answers have always been 94% or more affirmative. “

    So America is not an Atheist or Agnostic society.

    Do you agree?

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. pisean282311 profile image52
      pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      how do you rule out agnostic?..agnostic do believe in super entity..they dont believe in religion defined god...atheist..well i agree to that..american in general are not atheist...

      1. thisisoli profile image55
        thisisoliposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Agnostics do not believe in a super entity, agostic means that they do not deny that there is some controlling force.

        1. pisean282311 profile image52
          pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          now when one doesnt deny in something..you believe in possibility of that too?..isn't it?..

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        soulspeechposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        “Since 1944, the Gallup Poll has been asking Americans whether they "believe in God or a universal spirit." The answers have always been 94% or more affirmative. “

        pisean282311posted 3 months ago in reply to this

        how do you rule out agnostic?..agnostic do believe in super entity..they dont believe in religion defined god...atheist..well i agree to that..american in general are not atheist...

        I believe the definition of agnostic rules itself out.

    2. prettydarkhorse profile image64
      prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      According to the US Census Bureau --   Self-Described Religious Identification of Adult Population:

      out of 228,182 adult population in the US -- have religions and 34,169 have no religion

      look here   --  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ … 0s0075.pdf

      1. profile image69
        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this



        Hi friend prettydarkhorse

        So you also confirm that the American predominantly reject Atheism and Agnosticism. They may, however, live peacefully with their confusions in America; Americans are supposed to be tolerant people.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. pisean282311 profile image52
          pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          @paar but why do you say atheist are confused..they are not..they are as clear as you are about belief..you believe allah exist..they believe it doesnot..so it is simple..no confusion...you have your view based on something , they have their view based on something..

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            paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hi friends

            They, the Atheists Agnostics, can enjoy their free will; at their own costs and risks. I don't mind.

            Thanks

            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

            1. pisean282311 profile image52
              pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              thats perfectly alright

        2. prettydarkhorse profile image64
          prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          We don't know really the degree of religiosity (we can't estimate it) and how people act and react in terms of their beliefs. People have belief system and have their own set of morals even though they don't have religions.

          As people we tend to have our own sets of judgment and I think to some extent of course it really affect our everyday living.  We will always have prejudice, but taking actions out of these prejudices is another thing

          1. profile image69
            paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I agree with you.

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            paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            ..

    3. POWERS1205 profile image72
      POWERS1205posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      America was founded on the belief in God, so it seems very likely that most believe in something more than just themselves. Belief in yourself can be very short-lived.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend POWERS1205

        It is good that America was founded on the belief in God; we should maintain America on this foundation. It is meritable.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      2. Pcunix profile image89
        Pcunixposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        America was founded on a belief in liberty.   That motto - Liberty - was what the founders put on our first money, for example.  No religious nonsense, just "Liberty" and later "E Pluribus Unum".

        Many of the people came from places where they had experienced religious persecution.  Not wanting to repeat that horror here, they wanted no religious control in their government.

        We were not "founded on religious belief" at all.

        1. Anesidora profile image66
          Anesidoraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And now having no experience with religious persecution, they've forgotten that hard-learned lesson their ancestors knew so well, and want to use government to enforce religion. Their's of course.

          Not realizing that if we champion christianity today, in 50 years we'll be championing protestants and outlawing catholics. And JW's, LDSers and Unitarians. Texas has already attacked Unitarians.

          Sure all the protestants will finally be happy, until a closet mormom takes over, kills off everybody else and finally does truly claim north america for their own.

          Viscious game, we shouldn't be playing with it.

          1. Pcunix profile image89
            Pcunixposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            But they will, because they don't know history.  The ignorance is astounding.

    4. Cagsil profile image62
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Your statement is B.S! Plain and simple, and TRUTH of the matter.

      There cannot be a poll that registers 94% of Americans, to believe in a god or a higher power. It's a flagrant lie. Regardless where you got the information.

      Simply because- 13.5% of citizens are homeless and do not take part in polls or even the consensus.

      So.. please.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry; it hits your belief. Please contact the Gallup Poll for the corrections.

        Thanks

        1. Cagsil profile image62
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey Paar,

          It's not my belief. It's a fact. DUH!

    5. jacobkuttyta profile image46
      jacobkuttytaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      that is great

    6. Anesidora profile image66
      Anesidoraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wow Paar, why ya wanna distort? You know full well you only posted half of the information, thereby distorting the reality.

      Oh, you'd make a great politician!

      The rest of the story is that the way they get that 94% figure is by asking the question do you believe in a god, or any other sort of mystical, undefined higher being. So with a vague, open for interpretation question like that, they get a 94% figure.

      But when americans are asked if they believe in a creator god and have no doubts about it, only like 60% could say yes. When other aspects of the christian faith were asked, such as do you believe in the virgin birth, jesus as god's begotton godly son, jesus as miracle worker, an afterlife, etc. the percentages of the yes respondants grew even smaller.

      What this tells us is that when they get the 94% figures, people are not confirming a belief in the traditional god or traditional beliefs, and of those who do believe in the traditional god, many of them have plenty of doubts.

      Paar I've just lost all respect for you for being purposely deceptive.

      1. Pcunix profile image89
        Pcunixposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Let us not forget that many so called "believers" are simple deists who believe that "something" set the universe in motion, but has no other involvement or interest.

        Of those who believe in a god, many dismiss concepts of judgment, punishment and so on.

        Finally, most are quite aware that prayer is comforting but useless and few attend any church.

        That is not the sort of religion the pushers want.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend  Anesidora

        I don't believe that Jesus was a god or son of god or that he cured the physically dead.

        It is sufficient if you respect reason and Truth; you may hate me if you like; I don't mind.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      AKA Winstonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Keep in mind that 96% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you

      2. thisisoli profile image55
        thisisoliposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        100% of my opinions are more important than other people's tongue

      3. Flightkeeper profile image73
        Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Did you just make that up?

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          AKA Winstonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Only 98.7% of it at this moment.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes I agree.
      But I'd be very interested in a Gallup poll that shows how many believe in Christ, not just in a "or universal spirit".

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So then you fear a very small group of atheist and then you are more interested in people believing your god over any other god.  Is that correct?

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      Will Bensonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      While belief in the divine may be the same over the years, organized religion is faring less well. The following also from Gallup; they've been following this since 1948.


      “PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans have become increasingly less tied to formal religion in recent decades, with the percentage saying they do not have a specific religious identity growing from near zero in the 1950s to 16% this year and last.”

      (and also…)

      “Gallup surveys confirm a downward drift in religious identity among Americans, as well as a slight increase in the number of Americans who view religion as old-fashioned and out of date.”

      The whole report can be found at:
      http://www.gallup.com/poll/128276/Incre … ntity.aspx

  2. luvpassion profile image61
    luvpassionposted 7 years ago

    I agree without getting into specifics. What is your definition of an agnostic?

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    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Agnostics are simply confused people, by and large.

    Thanks

    1. luvpassion profile image61
      luvpassionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol How about Wiccans?
             Christians?
              Buddahists?
              Jews?
              Hindus?

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi  friend  luvpassion

        They are good people; I love them all and I hate no-one.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    2. pisean282311 profile image52
      pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

  4. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 7 years ago

    America is a secular society, because you can have any or no faith and be an equal citizen.

  5. thisisoli profile image55
    thisisoliposted 7 years ago

    The Census is an interesting document, especially in regards to the fact that it disagrees with a lot of independant surveys.  It is however more comprehensive!

    Does the US census cover only people over a certain age?

    1. prettydarkhorse profile image64
      prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      US Census covers socio demographic profiles of all people but in terms of religion, I think it is only for adults.

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    Chasukposted 7 years ago

    @paarsurrey: The United States in legally a secular society.

    As for agnostics being confused... no. An agnostic is simply someone who has deferred judgement on the existence or non-existence of deities.

    Most of us don't believe in deities, but we leave claims of certainty to the theists and atheists. That isn't confusion, but intellectual honesty.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend Chasuk

      It is good that America is secular; it deals everybody with justice and without prejudice and allows everyboyd free will. It does not harm belief in God. Religion always spreads in peace and gets hindered with violence and materialistic politics.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. pisean282311 profile image52
        pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        hi paar...lately we are disagreeing on many things..but i hope you take it as difference of opinions rather than personally..coming to spread of religion..well if we view civilizations..violence is what has made religion enter in places which has then been spread through established system like kings ...so violence has facilitated religion entry ..if religion would have been spread in peaceful way..we would have needed another 10k years for demographics which we see today...

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          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend pisean282311

          I don't agree with you. Ours is a peaceful community but our community has spread all by peaceful means. Please see an overview of our community:

          Ahmadiyya Muslim Community

          An Overview

          The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a dynamic, fast growing international revival movement within Islam. Founded in 1889, it spans over 195 countries with membership exceeding tens of millions. Its current headquarters are in the United Kingdom.

          Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the only Islamic organization to believe that the long-awaited Messiah has come in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) (1835-1908) of Qadian. Ahmad(as) claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesus(as) of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad(sa). Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believes that God sent Ahmad(as), like Jesus(as), to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace. Ahmad’s(as) advent has brought about an unprecedented era of Islamic revival. He divested Islam of fanatical beliefs and practices by vigorously championing Islam’s true and essential teachings. He also recognized the noble teachings of the great religious founders and saints, including Zoroaster(as), Abraham(as), Moses(as), Jesus(as), Krishna(as), Buddha(as), Confucius(as), Lao Tzu and Guru Nanak, and explained how such teachings converged into the one true Islam.

          Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the leading Islamic organization to categorically reject terrorism in any form. Over a century ago, Ahmad(as) emphatically declared that an aggressive “jihad by the sword” has no place in Islam. In its place, he taught his followers to wage a bloodless, intellectual “jihad of the pen” to defend Islam. To this end, Ahmad(as) penned over 80 books and tens of thousands of letters, delivered hundreds of lectures, and engaged in scores of public debates. His rigorous and rational defenses of Islam unsettled conventional Muslim thinking. As part of its effort to revive Islam, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community continues to spread Ahmad’s(as) teachings of moderation and restraint in the face of bitter opposition from parts of the Muslim world.

          Similarly, it is the only Islamic organization to endorse a separation of mosque and state. Over a century ago, Ahmad(as)  taught his followers to protect the sanctity of both religion and government by becoming righteous souls as well as loyal citizens. He cautioned against irrational interpretations of Quranic pronouncements and misapplications of Islamic law. He continually voiced his concerns over protecting the rights of God’s creatures. Today, it continues to be an advocate for universal human rights and protections for religious and other minorities. It champions the empowerment and education of women. Its members are among the most law-abiding, educated, and engaged Muslims in the world.

          Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the foremost Islamic organization with a central spiritual leader. Over a century ago, Ahmad(as) reminded his followers of God’s promise to safeguard the message of Islam through khilafat (the spiritual institution of successorship to prophethood). It believes that only spiritual successorship can uphold the true values of Islam and unite humanity. Five spiritual leaders have succeeded Ahmad(as) since his demise in 1908. It’s fifth and current spiritual head, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, resides in the United Kingdom. Under the leadership of its spiritual successors, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has now built over 15,000 mosques, over 500 schools, and over 30 hospitals. It has translated the Holy Quran into over 60 languages. It propagates the true teachings of Islam and the message of peace and tolerance through a twenty-four hour satellite television channel (MTA), the Internet (alislam.org) and print (Islam International Publications). It has been at the forefront of worldwide disaster relief through an independent charitable organization, Humanity First.

          http://www.alislam.org/introduction/index.html

          Religion spreads most in peace, with peaceful means and creates peace in the world.

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

          1. pisean282311 profile image52
            pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            my friend ahmadi didnt wage war in subcontinent..they came much later..see how islam expanded in iran or sindh or how present saudi regime took saudi and promoted their version of religion...even muhammad had to take weapons in his hand..weapon is made by scientist BTW...

            also history says otherwise..maximum blood has been shed for religion or pursue of ideology like nazi, communism..religion too is an ideology and peace happens only when people keep their ideology to themselves rather than pursing on others...

  7. Timmy(B) profile image60
    Timmy(B)posted 7 years ago

    Didn't Jedi make it as a religion in the last UK census?

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this



      Who is this Jedi? Please

      Thanks

      1. luvpassion profile image61
        luvpassionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Jedi, Order of Nights in sci-fi movies Star Wars...they believed in a universal force that could be used physically and mentally.

        wink

      2. Pandoras Box profile image68
        Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile

  8. Bill Manning profile image71
    Bill Manningposted 7 years ago

    So I'm in the top 6%, cool. smile

    1. profile image69
      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend Bill Manning

      What do you mean by cool? Please elaborate for me.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. luvpassion profile image61
        luvpassionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        "Cool" is a slang word used for good, or excellent ranking right up there with 'jive"

  9. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    No surprise to me. If the fundies were any worse it would be 100%

    If an American Presidential candidate were to deny religion he would not have a snowflakes hope in hell of being elected.

    Many Americans I know personally say they are religious just to keep their jobs! smile
    It's about jamming religious rot constantly as the only "moral" ground.

    1. Jerami profile image73
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Democrat, Repulican and Religiousity are three political organizations that have nothing to do with serving God.

        These three organizations serve themselves.

        A real believer in God serves God.

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Where are these servers of god Jerami, and who's god do they serve?
        You did not address what I said about American religiosity. smile

        1. Jerami profile image73
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You are not going to see them arguing with non believers.

          If you wanted to go fishing with one of them you might learn something of God.

            If you r car is broken down out in the desert you might see one of them.  They will pull you and your car into town.  When you ask how much you owe they they will say  "Nothing; just help the next person you see that needs help"

            You have seen them before.  They weren't wearing a sign so you didn't know who they were.

          1. Cagsil profile image62
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol lol Now, that's too funny. lol lol lol

            1. Jerami profile image73
              Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm happy that you think so,

              1. Cagsil profile image62
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Dude, I don't think so. I know so. That is extremely funny how you describe these sort of people, yet none of them actually exist. At least not to your description.

                Us common folk are just worthless compared to them. Oh PLEASE! hmm

                1. Jerami profile image73
                  Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I didn't say that.  That may be your perception ??  Don't put those words in my mouth.

                  1. Cagsil profile image62
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol lol

                  2. Cagsil profile image62
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Jerami, this is your statement.

                    You were talking about believers of god....REAL believers of god.

                    That means, anyone else is worthless and doesn't compare. Only REAL believers would do what you claim and that is complete ignorance.

                    End of story!

                    I did not need to put words into your mouth. Again, end of story.

          2. Ohma profile image73
            Ohmaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            and all these wonderful attributes can only be found in people that serve God huh? No such thing as just plain descent people right?

            1. Cagsil profile image62
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hey Ohma, that's what it sounds like he is saying. hmm

              1. Ohma profile image73
                Ohmaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Seems a tad close minded to me. hmm

                1. Cagsil profile image62
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Actually Ohma, it sounds complete dumb, stupid and ignorant of any sort of truth.

            2. Jerami profile image73
              Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Again I was answering a question asked by earnest.  You can not apply that answer to just any old question but JUST the one that it was in reference to.

        2. Ohma profile image73
          Ohmaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          When you take into consideration the post you were replying to you response makes it quite clear that you feel only true servers of God would be capable of such kindness and generosity.

          1. Ohma profile image73
            Ohmaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What is not clear to you here? What exactly do you not understand. You are twisting and grasping in a hopeless attempt to create new meaning to your own words. The problem with that is you were not vague enough in the original post to spin it in another direction now.

  10. Ohma profile image73
    Ohmaposted 7 years ago

    Sorry Jerami but, we are not putting words in your mouth. we read what you posted and responded to the post. Your choice of words clearly says that only true believers of God would do these good deeds and that is about the most amazingly foolish thing I have seen posted here in a long time.
    Most really good people I know are not believers but that does not prevent them from being honest, caring, and generous. You do not have to be a believer to poses these qualities.

  11. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Jerami wrote:
       You are not going to see them arguing with non believers.
     
    If you wanted to go fishing with one of them you might learn something of God.

      If you r car is broken down out in the desert you might see one of them.  They will pull you and your car into town.  When you ask how much you owe they they will say  "Nothing; just help the next person you see that needs help"

      You have seen them before.  They weren't wearing a sign so you didn't know who they were.



        Where did I make any reference to the fact that only TRUE Christians do these things???

       Where did I make any comparisons or judgments?

       It aint hard to be criticised around here.
      Please criticise me for things that I say and  NOT what you hear in your imagination

  12. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 7 years ago

    Oh come on. If you were not making a comparison you would say 'people' not 'believers'.  If you are not saying believers are more likely to be 'good' your point would make no sense.

    1. Jerami profile image73
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I was giving a specific answer to a specific question.


      earnestshub  ask  a specific question 
         Where are these servers of god Jerami, and who's god do they serve?
         and I gave a specific answer to that question. 


      Jerami wrote:
         You are not going to see them arguing with non believers.

      If you wanted to go fishing with one of them you might learn something of God.

        If you r car is broken down out in the desert you might see one of them.  They will pull you and your car into town.  When you ask how much you owe they they will say  "Nothing; just help the next person you see that needs help"

        You have seen them before.  They weren't wearing a sign so you didn't know who they were.


         read anything that you want to into this statement.
      but that will be your error.

      1. Ohma profile image73
        Ohmaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You keep believing that.

        1. Jerami profile image73
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I will..  It is right there   please underline for me where I made any comparisons.

             You can see a true believer, standing in line at the bank

             Does that say that no one else in standing in line at the bank?  NO it doesn't.

      2. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I have stopped and helped every-time I can be useful Jeremi, my atheist father taught me to be like that. I have seen lots of people who are helpful within churches, and the church helped my son with a scholarship.
        The way I see it, people help people, nothing to do with religion.

        1. Jerami profile image73
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I agree.   You ask where you might see a true believer.

            You might see them doing good things.
            That was not an exclusive comment on my part.

  13. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Ohma wrote:   When you take into consideration the post you were replying to you response makes it quite clear that you feel only true servers of God would be capable of such kindness and generosity.


       So when you don't take anything into consideration ...

    What did I actually say.
    You don't know what I was thinking so look at what I said.

      If a person wanted to take "????" into consideration this could be racist, Mocho, etc.   evidently you took something into consideration that wasn't there.

    I have read this a dozen times and do not see what you see.

    1. Ohma profile image73
      Ohmaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Like I said earlier I have no trouble reading or comprehending what I have read. It is overwhelmingly apparent that I am not alone in my understanding of your post and yet you continue to suggest that I do not understand. Well I am in good company then.

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree. the post is clear enough in what it says. It excludes others by leaving them out. smile

        1. Jerami profile image73
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If you ask how you might find a chicken.

            When I tell you how.  of course I'm not discussing horses or cows..  But I'm leaving them out cause you didn't ask about them

          1. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            OK. smile

          2. Pandoras Box profile image68
            Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Oh so now we're all horses and cows? Are you calling me a cow, Jerami?

            I'm totally just kiddin, lol, giving you a hard time. Fun stuff on a Friday morning.

            Ya chicken!

      2. Jerami profile image73
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        OK ...   can we agree to disagree   about what I was thinking when I said what I said. 

            No hard feelings on my part.

        1. Ohma profile image73
          Ohmaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I am not angry and yes it is fine to agree to disagree.

      3. getitrite profile image79
        getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this



        ...and I thought it was just me. 
        Count me in your company too.
        When cornered, he will always divert
        from the premise.
        Then when he gets cornered on his diversion,
        he will divert again.

        and again, and again, and again.

  14. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Anyone else feel that religion is all but compulsory in American society and that a President would not survive without declaring some christian doctrine? smile

    1. Jerami profile image73
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I would say that that is unfortunately true.

    2. Ohma profile image73
      Ohmaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I absolutely agree.

    3. getitrite profile image79
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this



      AGREED!

  15. Kangaroo_Jase profile image80
    Kangaroo_Jaseposted 7 years ago

    I am gonna stop reading these religious forums, every time I come in to one to read, noone has any bloody beer on tap....

    1. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry mate, I was out buying beer! Enjoy! smile

      1. pisean282311 profile image52
        pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        beer..............well in one of scriptures written 7,000 years ago states that god blesses those who have beer daily smile

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks pisean, I feel confident in saying we both needed to know that. smile

          1. pisean282311 profile image52
            pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol world can be better place is fight would be my beer is better than urs..atleast beer can be seen lol

            1. earnestshub profile image89
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol

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                Kangaroo_Jaseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol cheers, I raise my beverage to you both big_smile

  16. Diane Inside profile image80
    Diane Insideposted 7 years ago

    94% of americans are Religious..... I swear I think the other 6% are all here on hubpages.

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      pisean282311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Might be

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    94% Americans: they "believe in God or a universal spirit".

    I think it is good

  18. secularist10 profile image88
    secularist10posted 6 years ago

    To answer PaarSurrey's original question, of course America is not an atheist or agnostic society. But it is most certainly a secular, or at least thoroughly *secularized,* society.

    A person can still believe in "God" technically, but live a largely secular life. And it is the secular mentality in science, technology, economic prosperity and security that has delivered great progress to America. As America has become less religious over the centuries, it has also become more prosperous, safer, healthier and more knowledgeable. That is no accident.

    If we care about America's wellbeing, we should therefore encourage more secularization and less religious belief.

    Studies show that most Americans call themselves "Christians" when asked by a pollster. Why? It makes sense if we think of it like this: as far as the average American is concerned, he/she will of course not call themselves Jewish, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist.

    Although they likely have significant doubts about the virgin birth, Jesus' resurrection or his miracles, nevertheless they will not call themselves "atheist" or "agnostic" because those terms have very negative connotations in modern American culture.

    The only option left is "Christian." The American says to himself "well, I go to church on Easter and Christmas, and I basically believe in Jesus and all that jazz... so, yeah, I'm a Christian."

    Never mind the fact that American culture and society is saturated with non-Christian attitudes, values, customs and behaviors. People convince themselves that that's what they are. That's why we must look at people's actions, and the culture those actions create, and NOT their words.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I like secular approach, which is equitable, where state and religion are held separate.

      People like to attach themselves with Jesus; and now realize that he was not a god or son of god; that is why they perefer themselves to be called Christians.

      From the above I am encouraged to believe that the Americans are fit to become Ahmadiyya; who are secular,peaceful religious, science loving ; and Jesus and Muhammad loving people.

 
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