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   pisean282311posted 14 years ago

   recently burning quran has sparked major debate..there have been threads in which usa has been referred as being christian country?..so is there anything called christian country?..

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      prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is just demographic categorization, as for example, majority (50 percent plus one)of the people in this country are say Catholics, arbitrary definition.
      In the Philippines 80 plus percent are Roman Catholic, by definition, majority of the Filipinos are Catholics, but not all, there are other religions as well

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         pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         got that but those are countries which has majority of christian population..right?..but those countries have own constitution ..they have laws not derived from bible ..right?

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            prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            People who make laws, debate it in the halls of congress are affected by their social values (which in turn affected by their religions to some extent), so when they make laws, they are already biased. That's my own opinion. Tolerance and understanding is all we need, you are my brother, smile and I care for you, sort of like that.

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               pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               i got that..i am not saying that..what i meant was when we say islamic republic what it means is implementation of sharia or law derived from sharia or law which doesnot over rule sharia...so that country is muslim country which has state religion as islam..do we have any country which has state religion of christianity?...except ofcourse vatican...which has status of country...

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Interesting point about the Vatican...

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                  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  No because you don't impose that, it is a choice you make, not by birth or by affinity or consanguinity! So in other countries which have Christian religion as majority, the children have choices, I don't know with Muslim for example, do they require both couple to be married should be both Muslim?

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Countries should not be labelled with any religion; it should all be secular doing justice and equity to everybody; this is what I mean by secular. Radicalism, extremism in the name of any religion or no-religion should be contained; there is no doubt about it.

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         pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         i agree with you...

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes.  America was labeled a Christian Country until recently, when a man got into Office and decided to try to re-label it as something else because of the chip on his shoulder.
      
      It is STILL a "Christian" Country, though he and other nonBelievers will deny it, and I have high hopes that someone with some decency and integrity backed by political power will right the wrongs he and his minions have perpetuated in the last 2 years upon the citizens here.
      
      America is a Christian Nation. We do not have a "State religion", though, meaning we do not impose Christianity upon the people, but we do adhere to Christian values in our laws and rules of social conduct.
      Comparably, Saudi Arabia and Yemen and Iran and some others are Islamic Nations.

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         Garrett Mickleyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, this is untrue. It was not Obama who "decided to try to re-label" America "as something else".
         
         In Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797, we declare ourselves not a Christian nation.
         
         "ARTICLE 11
         
              As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,4 - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
         
         You can read the whole thing here: http://secular.embassyofheaven.com/usa/tripoli.htm

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            Garrett Mickleyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So you can blame George Washington and John Adams, our first and second President's (respectively), for deciding to try to re-label America as something else.

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               The truth never bothers zealots Garrett. It doesn't always suit their prejudices.

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            pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            hmmm..you mean to say that founding fathers of america has definite vision of separating state and religion from very beginning?

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               Garrett Mickleyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               As a matter of fact, many of our founding fathers were atheists.  A simple Google search will have all the information on specific religions, if you so choose to look it up.

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                  pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  ya i did read their profiles and letters ..they do seem to be atheist...

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            Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Indeed I did read it;  thank you.
            Did YOU read the footnote # 3..??
            It says Article 11 didn't even exist in the original, but was somehow inserted there by the translator....?
            
            It even reads like it's out-of-place, out of context in the Treaty.
            Looks like Obama and modern atheists aren't the first people to try to destroy what's good about America.  And there were those who promoted and condoned slavery.  But America finally corrected its wrongs.  That's what a Christian Nation does; it believes corporately in the laws of GOD, the laws of repentance and redemption and a thing called GRACE, under which it covers its citizens by NOT imposing the strict letter of the laws of the Old Testament upon its people, but realizes that man himself must take some personal responsibility for his actions.
            
            AND even if that Article 11 WERE true, that doesn't constitute legitimacy of the rumor that America is a secular Nation.

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               Garrett Mickleyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               According to a "Hunter Miller", yes, but if what he's saying is true, would we not have changed it since then?
               
               In that case, you can't blame Washington nor Adams, but every President SINCE then for not annulling or amending it.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Indeed!  Or maybe the lawyers who should've caught it and pushed for changing it.
                  
                  And it would be similar to some of the "old" laws we STILL have on the books in individual States, like....in California (supposedly, from what I found online)..there, it's illegal to have oral sex.   Apparently that has changed by default! LOL
                  But if one were to go by the letter of the Law, then the legal system could punish anyone including married couples for things they might do in private.  AND the current jump from that old Law to the current push in Califormia for gay "rights" is indeed a HUGE jump, wouldn't you say?   I don't think that kind of jump would even be valid at all.  So, in California, something must have happened in between those rulings.   Like......GRACE.   And then gradually-----STUPIDITY in the form of "special rights".

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                     Garrett Mickleyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Exactly my point.
                     
                     Therefore, It was not Obama who "decided to try to re-label" America "as something else".
                     
                     He's just following our forefathers.
                     
                     And again, it's one man's claim that it was inserted by the translator.
                     
                     If you can find his evidence, please show it to me.  Claims are nothing without evidence. I'm sure even you can agree with that. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a VERY American way of thinking.

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                        pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        hmmm..point taken...

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                        pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        hmmm..point taken...

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                        Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        What claim are you talking about?  My claim that Obama tried to re-label America?
                        
                        He most certainly did.
                        It's in his words when he was Campaigning, and in one of his speeches.  Actually, several of his speeches.
                        Have you not listened to them?

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                           Garrett Mickleyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           At no point whatsoever did I refer to that, or anything at all that you have said, as a claim.
                           
                           So that you don't have to do anything difficult like scroll up an inch, I'll repost for you:
                           
                           "And again, it's one man's claim that it was inserted by the translator.
                           
                           If you can find his evidence, please show it to me.  Claims are nothing without evidence. I'm sure even you can agree with that. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a VERY American way of thinking."

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                              Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Okay.
                              And supposedly the whole Treaty was printed in newspapers for everyone to  peruse.
                              
                              I'll say this----IF our politicians were anything like they are now, and many of us citizens, they might not have even read the version that showed up in the newspapers!

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   Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

   The Vatican

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   There have been Christian nations before, none exist now. (The Vatican is more of a theme park than a nation).  They were dedicated to the annihilation of all non-Christian societies and often succeeded in their...quests, crusades, burnings... take your pick.

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   Bill Manningposted 14 years ago

   I thought you meant Christian country music!
   
   I just got done doing an article on Disney's Night of Joy. It features Christian rock and hip hop bands. Really? I had no idea you could be a Christian rock star!

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      pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      

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