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Man:God's final act of vanity or Evolution's vital act of serendipity

  1. A.Villarasa profile image75
    A.Villarasaposted 7 years ago

    Creationists  of all stripes (with their literalist view of the Bible) like to enunciate  that  Adam and Eve were created  by God exactly in his own image. In tne process He imbued in them the concept of  a unitarian God (one God and no other) as well as the aptitude to make their own individual decisions(free will). Creating something in your own image is to say the least one supreme act of vanity... but then creating something with the same vainglorious streak as you do,  that would be the ultimate act of futility. The vanity that  all humans possess ( it  was  intellectual  vanity that led to  Einstein's formulation of his now  famous equation E=mc2 , and it was political vanity  that  led  the  country's leaders at the time, to go ahead with the practical application of that equation to.... the atom bomb) could lead to  their eventual extinction in  multiple nuclear fireballs.

    Evolutionist of all types (with their generalist view of their own bible i.e. the  earth's  fossil record)  like to enunciate that what led to the "big bang" may have been Divine Intervention  or some kind of supernatural force but what followed thereafter were all serendipitous and synchronycistic   events including the formation of  the planet earth and all its inhabitants including the late comers i.e. humans.  Evolution (with it's simplistic mantra "adapt or die" ) posits that  man has to adapt  to be able to survive as a specie. In the long and complicated  process of adaptation humans might  become  a bionic-ized and robot-ized version of their previous selves. Would they still call themeselves humans when that happens? Another example of  an act of futility.

    The concept of God and evolution are not mutually exclusive in the sense that  both manifested acts of futility... the creation of man.  In the final analysis all acts of vanity and serendipity ultimately are acts of futility.

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I'm so sorry could you please repeat that,  I couldn't hear you

      1. A.Villarasa profile image75
        A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Are you talking to me?... Please, Kimberly stop associating with folks like earnestshub et al. . Anyone listening to their bombast could lose their hearing. HHmm I think I'm too late... you're now  permanently devoid of your audiologic function.

    2. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      villarasa:
      I"ve been following the comments in this thread.
      Seems to me that all of you are just offering opinions which are worth about a dime-a-dozen.
      At this point in our "evolution," the finest minds are but doing the same.
      We are such an immature and ignorant species that, at best, all we can do is try to make meaning out of the little we've learned and think we understand.
      If we destroy ourselves, or bring our species to the point of extinction, one can only place the blame on the reason so many other species have 'bitten-the-dust:" we were not able to adapt.
      Devolution? If we are reduced to a level of living that emulates stone age life, why would that be deemed devolution? It would simply be a dip in the evolutionary processes. Man has experienced near extinction before. We are probably nearing that point in our evolution again.
      If we succeed as a species, there is no  doubt that contemporary man WILL create new human life forms and will eventually involve into a species that will include, in his determination to survive, every aspect of  his unlimited imagination.
      We may have about another billion years to exist. The possibility that we may be here, exists, but the probability, in my mind, does not.

      1. A.Villarasa profile image75
        A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Hey qwark: Welcome to the dime-a-dozen opiners club. Yours are certainly interesting in an existential kind of way. Keep opining and we will all be well- informed in the process.
        I raed some of your hubs... very engrossing to say the least.

  2. luvpassion profile image59
    luvpassionposted 7 years ago

    You sound very down with all your talk of futility...bad day?

    Here's a smile... smile

    1. A.Villarasa profile image75
      A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Bad day?.. nah.. I'm actually having the best days of my life. The post was not an expression of personal angst but a philosophical discussion of the conundrum : Was it God or was it Evolution that created humans...and was man's creation an act of futility by either one?... answers to these questions obviously would depend upon your personal beliefs.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Applying human emotions to a coincidental natural occurrence renders the question almost unanswerable.

        "Futility" implies something that was intended. Evolution suggests no such thing and your ignorance of what "evolutionists" think pretty much makes it plain where your beliefs lie.

        Evolution produced humans, but - what makes you jump to the conclusion that we are anything special or even that there was an attempt to achieve something? We will either adapt to changing conditions or die out. The same as all life on this planet.

        Life is "futile" if you assume some purpose outside of being alive.

        1. A.Villarasa profile image75
          A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Evolutionists believe that life started on earth by pure
          serendipity... and that's the point of the second part of the title of my post. Since you are an evolutionist, you can tell me if I am ignorant on that point. However human life on earth started i.e. created or evolved, the fact that man may become extinct as a specie via self-destruction or self-devolution into another life form  is what I was drving at. And there lies the futility of it all.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            I already did.
            Why is it futile?
            What was the unrealized goal?
            This means life is futile.
            What purpose would be useful?

            1. luvpassion profile image59
              luvpassionposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Good questions...do you consider life futile because you won't be around to see it evolve furthur?

              Do the goals you set forth in the here and now seem unattainable? Perhaps man will eventually reach out to the stars, overcome the need for fossil fuels. Extend life-spans...the only limits are the imagination.

              Do you wish to discuss it as a creationist or evolutionist?

              smile

            2. A.Villarasa profile image75
              A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              The unrealized goal is the continued existence of the specie in perpetuity. Evolution drives each specie to propagate itself by maintaining the same basic form it has evolved into most successfully, and not devolve into another altogether different life form. That God created man (according to creationists)  but in so doing gave him "free will" only for man to discover the secret of the atom and its potential for destruction including man's is an act of futility. For evolution to have produced all living creatures( including humans) only for these creatures to devolve into another altogether different life form is an act of futility.

              Now if you are telling me that your life has no meaning beyond the fact that you breath, eat, sleep, defecate, urinate and procreate, then it is no different than the life of a rodent that goes scampering in the back alleys of your house.

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                Baileybearposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                and yet, is a rodent satisfied with its lot?  Animals live & survive - that's what they do.  Humans with supposidly superior brains angst about whether their lives actually mean something.

  3. luvpassion profile image59
    luvpassionposted 7 years ago

    Some say that science is giving us more knowledge than ever before and soon we will have all the knowledge and technology necessary to create and control life

    Others say that religion is undegoing an evolution. They say that culturally , we are between one creation story and the next and that soon the common creation story will be THE STORY, the one that tells us whou we are and where we are.

    Perhaps there is an emerging convergence between science and spiritualism, a merging of scientific understanding with a reverence for the universe, a reverence for all life...a knowing that we exist within the web of all being. smile

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      No. Not really. The Creation story has never changed. But nice try. Exactly what religion has a reverence for the universe and all life?

      Knowing we exist in the web of all being? What does that even mean?

      1. luvpassion profile image59
        luvpassionposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        It means that all,(even you Mr. Knowles) are a beneficent living being with all things connected--all crucial and sacred.

        A necessary and beautiful part of the Eternal Great Dance.

        big_smile

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Ah. Meaningless drivel. OK - gotcha. Surely you mean we are all above inside outside and around the death that is imminent for all - if we are thusly indicative?

          Sacred? I really think it is time to buy a dictionary.

          1. luvpassion profile image59
            luvpassionposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Okay how about this...Drivel you spout so much of that the word special comes to mind. tongue

            If you need a dictionary there are several online, but since you think you know the definition of life it would be useless to read a dictionary as you already think you know more then the people who write them. lol lol

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Like I said. wink
              If you have nothing to say - probably best to say nothing. Good luck with that.

              1. luvpassion profile image59
                luvpassionposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                lol "If you have nothing to say-probably best to say nothing " That drivel isn't even yours lol

                Reused drivel is hooey.

                Same to ya. wink

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Well OK then. Thanks for the input. lol

                  1. luvpassion profile image59
                    luvpassionposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Now don't sulk...If I didn't answer your questions, I wasn't being mean...I just didn't want your negative energy.

                    Here's a better reason to vent: Science and religion don't have to be in conflict. They have different domains: Science seeks answers to the questions of what and how ; religion seeks answers to the question of why and  meaning . Somtimes these two domains get interwoven and want to dominate the other particularly with the fundamentalists of either science or religion.

                    Have a smile day

    2. Jerami profile image73
      Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I'm going to comment before I read any farther.


            That sounds like the perfect scenario.
         Lets take that concept a little farther.

        Intelligence manifests itself.
        We can create life ...   And have cured death . No more death.  No more hunger.

          Every thing is great.    EXCEPT     There will come a day that new  birth has to be prohibited all together.

            And that isn't going to be much fun.
                     OR 

         In order to maintain a very small portion of room for privacy   
          Someone gets to decide who is worthy to continue living, and who isn't.
         Who gets to decide who goes and who stays. 

         So given a limited amount of space..  Is there such of a thing as a Perfect system ?
        Does dieing inevidabily have to have its place in a perfect society ?

         But in the above scenario  ..   God didn't do it.

        That is the absolute best that science has to offer..

    3. tinyteddy profile image60
      tinyteddyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      i agree with you- good thinking-sometimes when someone else thinks for you life is easy

  4. J.R. Smith profile image58
    J.R. Smithposted 7 years ago

    i'm just curious. If we did evolve from monkeys,why are there still monkeys? Why have no other species started to evolve into higher life forms? It would be crazy to think that only one species is capable of evolution.

    1. A.Villarasa profile image75
      A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hello J.R.,

      You may want to ask Mr.  Mark Knowles that question . He is a know-all- kind- of- guy  and an ardent evolutionist   to boot, but  he seems to think his life has no meaning, anymore than a rodent's life has no meaning, so  why even bother.  But If you do  ask him and you get  a  gibberish answer,  don't be surprised because that's how a rodent sound while scampering in the dark alley behind your house.

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        What a slimy stupid abusive reply!

        Mark's capacity for logical thought scares you to bits doesn't it? lol lol lol

        The sworn enemy of the religious fanatic..... a rational human being!

        1. A.Villarasa profile image75
          A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Nope it doesn't...... how could I be scared of a guy who thinks his life has no meaning or purpose. I know of a lot of ardent evolutionist, and I am one of them, but I certainly think that my life has purpose (beyond what I perceive  and don't  perceive)  even if  I  believe  that my specie (humans)  evolved from a primordial dish, as with every other living things on this blessed earth. The know-it-all-kind of guy comment, I inferred from reading Mr. Knowles written biodata on Hubpages. The rodent inference was I must admit pointed, but I'm sure  Mr. Knowles is man enough  to take it. He certainly  doesn't  need you,  earnestshub,  to defend him.

          1. A.Villarasa profile image75
            A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            or to sing his praises.....

          2. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            No, it's just decency and honesty that I am defending. smile

            1. A.Villarasa profile image75
              A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Can you do me a favor and read from the very  top of  this post and scroll down the  conversation that Mr. Knowles had (regarding the topic I posited)  mostly with luvpassion. Can you tell me  in  all honesty  if  Mr. Knowles treated her with common courtesy and decency?  I don't think so.He resorted to name calling and was very condenscending... characteristics of someone who is so enamored of his self-perceived brilliance that it blinded him of the fact that other people may  have something intelligent to say about a topic. You are being dishonest  if you tell me that you read the whole script before shooting darts in my direction implying  that my reply to him was  abusive  and slimy and stupid. And he certainly  was not being decent with luvpassion in his conversation with her. I certainly did not take it gently when he called me ignorant.

              1. alternate poet profile image64
                alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Why?  weren't you already aware of that?

              2. earnestshub profile image89
                earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                There ya go doing the same thing again!

              3. Norah Casey profile image66
                Norah Caseyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                If someone on the forums engages in what you perceive to be a personal attack, report the post and move on. Responding with name calling will result in a forum ban, regardless of whether you feel it was justified by a previous conversation.

      2. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I can of course suck up any amount of personal insults - I know that is what people who believe in god tend to do. It must be very frustrating wandering around not being able to understand anything, but desperately needing an answer to the unanswerable.

        But - please - I pride myself on clear communication. Where is this gibberish? If you - as you seem to do - have some compelling evidence of a meaning to my life that you can show me without being a condescending hypocrite or resorting to some religious garbage - I am all ears.

        I love my life, enjoy it fully and delight in the natural world. I also spend a good proportion of my time helping other people and generally living - which is what I consider to be the "meaning" to my life.

        But - no - I do not consider myself any more important or special than a rodent. I have just evolved the ability to be aware of my own mortality. It could just has easily have been a rodent instead of a monkey that developed that facility. Maybe will be next time - who knows? Take all the rats away and you would be wishing them back pretty quickly.

        Dear me. What a dishonest attack you make. I take it you are a Christian?

        1. A.Villarasa profile image75
          A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          A Eureka moment For you Mr. Knowles.. you finally admitted to the fact that your life has purpose and meaning.

        2. A.Villarasa profile image75
          A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          "I take it you are a Christian?" A silly question if you ask me Mr. Knowles. Since we are on topic of asking silly questions here are two  that  may be silly to you:  What is it about people with religious belief that riles you and your acolytes so much?  What is it about their religiosity that  palpitates your heart, wrenches you gut, boils your blood, breaks  your bone, and ultimately bends  your mind to the point of rupture, leading you to irrational, illogical, ill-mannered expressions of your ill-conceived, self-perceived intellectual superiority?

          1. ceciliabeltran profile image79
            ceciliabeltranposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            new around here? lol... some arguments are sooooo tired really.

    2. Beelzedad profile image57
      Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, I see my question has already been answered. smile

  5. J.R. Smith profile image58
    J.R. Smithposted 7 years ago

    I was kind of sending it his way. I get a kick out of people who firmly believe in something, strongly disagree with you, and yet have no foundation,one way or the other. All too often we dissect the question instead of accepting the answer.

  6. J.R. Smith profile image58
    J.R. Smithposted 7 years ago

    Besides, if he really did believe that his life had no meaning, then he would have nothing to lose by believing in God,right?

    1. A.Villarasa profile image75
      A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Excellent point J.R.

  7. J.R. Smith profile image58
    J.R. Smithposted 7 years ago

    what proof do you have for evolution? I would love to hear an intelligent arguement from the other side.

  8. alternate poet profile image64
    alternate poetposted 7 years ago

    Just a statement for no real reason.  Mark Knowles contributes reasoned and well thought out comments to these discussions, if his intolerance of stupidity grates a bit it is probably becasue of hte thousands of threads by lesser people asking the same dumb questions with the same lack of backing or thought.

    I have only been here a few months and I find the level of christian argument infantile and pethetic,  there is a case for defending christian beliefs, right or wrong, but nobody in the forums makes it with any clarity or intelligence.  You are going to get trashed by Mark every time in these stupid subjects so get used to it.

    1. A.Villarasa profile image75
      A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      ".....thousands of lesser people asking the same dumb question?....WOW.. where do you guys come from?  From the Obama school of arrogance and hubris?

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Gee I'm surprised to see Obama in here. What's wrong with Obama? Is it that he is black or educated? smile

        1. A.Villarasa profile image75
          A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Oh don't give me that racial stuff earnestshub... black and Harvard educated has nothing to do with  being arrogant and hubristic...just look at you and Mr. Knowles and alternatepoet.

          1. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            What's wrong with them? Are they black and educated too? lol lol lol

            Your rot is showing! smile

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              kimberlyslyricsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              big_smile nice

              def out of the park!

              hot dog anyone?

              1. earnestshub profile image89
                earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                smile Hey Kimberley! smile Glad you came to the ball game. I'm up for a hot-dog myself thanks! smile

            2. A.Villarasa profile image75
              A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Spoken by a true Jungian... whatever that means. Freud is twirling in his grave. Frankly my rot is nowhere near as stinky as your rot.

              1. earnestshub profile image89
                earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Brilliant!

                What the hell has Freud to do with it?

                You know nothing of psychology either do you?

                1. A.Villarasa profile image75
                  A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  HHmmmm....looks  like  you  just  can't stop delivering your zappy-zippy  one liners that are totally devoid of wit and grit;   Nippy-nappy comments that neither lacerate nor eviscerate.

                  But to answer you questions.....I must admit Psychology?Psychiatry were never my favorite subjects in Pre-Med/Medical school respectively. But what little I know of Psyschology generally, and Jungian Psychoanalysis specifically is enough to tell me that you are a Freudian in Jungian clothing. If I remember right, Freud and Jung, who were close collaborators initially, parted ways on the subject of the Psyche's primal driving force, Freud believed and  thus emphasized the physical/anima/sexual nature of the primal driving force. Jung based his principles  on man's inate  humanity, spirituality, and yes religiosity.
                  In terms of his belief system, your intellectual idol, Mark Knowles is more Freudian than Jungian. So I could not understand why you, a self advertised Jungian could be in the same intellectual bed as  he is. Dishonesy perhaps?  hypocrisy maybe?
                  And Oh by the way, a  Psychatrist friend of mine  who is not into Psychobabble just reminded me that Jung in the sunset  of  his life    and career said" Thank God I am Jung and not a Jungian."
                  I read you hub about  your old geezer/greek neighbor and surprise surprise... I liked it.

                  1. earnestshub profile image89
                    earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Glad you liked the hub smile I rest my case on your scant understanding of Jung. Jung was always in to others being post Jungian. smile

                    He never claimed to know it all, and encouraged his students to continue his lifelong pursuit of the self while always building empirical evidence in support of any claims or theories.

                    He was never a believer in an external god, and as his work strongly shows, he knew lots of gods, all psychologically archetypical. smile

                    As for your opinion of my comments. Guess what? I don't give a rats nether-end! smile

          2. getitrite profile image80
            getitriteposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            By arrogant I guess you mean they don't agree with your opinions?

            1. A.Villarasa profile image75
              A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Please read the entire discussion and you can decide for yourself who is arrogan and who is not.. I certainly don't advertise myself as a know=it=-all in my hub profile. Mr. Knowles does.

  9. J.R. Smith profile image58
    J.R. Smithposted 7 years ago

    Still awaiting an arguement for evolution.

    1. Beelzedad profile image57
      Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Haven't read the Origin of Species? smile

      1. A.Villarasa profile image75
        A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Hello Beelzedad:
        You're here!.....and Kimberly too...hhmmm I guess earnestshub did call the cavalry. I have always wondered what Einstein thought of Darwin's epochal book?  Have you?

        1. Beelzedad profile image57
          Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Not really. The important thing to understand is what you think about it? smile

    2. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Still not reading anything other than "the good book" tk? lol lol

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    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Man: God's final act of vanity or Evolution's vital act of serendipity


    Where did the Creator-God Allah YHWH state that man is His final act of pride?

    How and on what basis one could surmise that man is evolution's act of destiny?

    Is evolution expressive in Word?

    Please

    Thanks

    1. A.Villarasa profile image75
      A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I was posting an idea..that  you may agree or not agree with.  The main objective is to intiate intelligent discussion, not to push a certain belief system.

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Would this be that "intelligent discussion?

        "Oh don't give me that racial stuff earnestshub... black and Harvard educated has nothing to do with being arrogant and hubristic...just look at you and Mr. Knowles and alternatepoet."

        We all share one thing. We disagree with your opinion of yourself and the sky fairy myth that animates you.

        1. A.Villarasa profile image75
          A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          I find it  exciting that a lot of well-informed people like yourself disagrees with my opinions. Keeps the adrenalin going.. A pity that not a lot of folks  share the same sky-fairy myth that animates me. Now that  you are starting to a least scratch the surface....i must tell you that your arguments are still not the lacerating eviscerating weapon I would expect a true Jungian to brandish on ignorant folks like me.

          1. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            I'm sorry if I seem blunt to you. I find that with a lot of my American friends. smile
            I have spent some time working in America and noticed that some found me and other Australians to be blunt about many things.

            Maybe I can learn how to avoid saying things directly, but I doubt it. It is a bit culturally ingrained to just say it as I see it. smile

            1. A.Villarasa profile image75
              A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Just to remind you.. I am Filipino, not American. However long I may have resided in  America, my thought processes are still  oriental, not occidental.

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I only express what I believe sincerely; you or others may try to push to their side, if you can; i am always open to and for Truth.

  11. alternate poet profile image64
    alternate poetposted 7 years ago

    Did I hear my name mentioned - and I don't even recall contributing to this thread - yet !

    I tried to read from the beginning but the whole thing seems to be a mess of yah-boo-hiss.

    The OP has woven the question up in such unneccesary wordage that there is not real question to answer, this leaves several questions and so the merry go round.

    SERENDIPITY - is hoisted as a red herring on many occasions, usually by people who failed in Divinities, this is because they cannot quite grasp the 'significance' beyond the end of their noses.

    It has been explored in several movies and even kids can see through the holes in the whole idea, so the movies were mediocre and unconvincing.  Now if Hollywood can't get it over convincingly I don't see it being done in these forums.

    VANITY
    Applying human characteristics to a mythical being is taking a step back to pre-writing, its all been done in the Odyssey and elsewhere, most grown-ups now know there are no gods puppetting us around, some like to think that they have all kinda compressed into a single super god who has retreated so far that there is NO evidence of him in any way shape form or record.  In their VANITY some people like to imagine they have some kind of phone contact with this imaginary entity who talks to them inside their heads, by ego-maniacs, in riddles, signs, omens and other superstitious twaddle that has all been clearly explained by better minds than reside in these forums.

    If people are going to try to post what looks like academic writing then it is a good idea to get it right at least, don't over-use long words, don't try to construct clever sounding sentences if you don't have the ability as they just look tortuously stupid, and try to stick to one point at a time.

    1. A.Villarasa profile image75
      A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      If you consider my initial post as academic writing.. you must be out of your mind. As simple as my mind works  most of the times (after all I work with  children, the most simple minded and yet most observant of all God"s or Evolution's creation),  the post was meant to not-too-subtly infer that all beings  and their actions  if not given meaning or purpose are all acts of futility. A point that some of you, especially Mr. Knowles totally missed.
      Talk about unnecessary verbiage.. your post is an excellent example of it.

      1. alternate poet profile image64
        alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Mock academic I said.

        And an argument against the religious despair that you are trying to pass off as futility.

        And you have no response.

        Religions have been overcome by reason and facts, whinging about futility that you see in others from your unsustainable position is just that - whingeing.  You present no coherent argument just a load of blather.

        1. A.Villarasa profile image75
          A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          And you present a coherent argument? Please... I've seen more coherence in the actions of ants in their colony than what you are proselytizing.

          Now just because I am not a big fan of your prose does not mean that I can not  appreciate the artistic talent that went with your poems. Excellent works  of poetry....lucid, luminous.. and levitating. Bravo.

        2. A.Villarasa profile image75
          A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Deleted

          1. alternate poet profile image64
            alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            So - no argument then.

            1. A.Villarasa profile image75
              A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              No argument... your poems are finely honed and artistically crafted. I am a fan.

  12. Onusonus profile image84
    Onusonusposted 7 years ago

    I dont see it as an act of vanity at all. Since the intelligence of our being is self existant and an endless entity without begining or end, God made the most charitable decision by giving us bodies and allowing us to experience mortality, to develop and grow in knowledge. he created us in his immage because he is the most advanced being in existence and he wants us to see our full potential to be like him. It was actually a realy nice thing to do.

    1. alternate poet profile image64
      alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I guess this would be the logical conclusion of a certain point of view.  It takes a special ignorance of reality to get there but I can see how you could do it if you were mis-educated, indocrinated enough and unable to get together enough reasoning power to see through it.

      1. Onusonus profile image84
        Onusonusposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I guess it's more logical to believe that for no reason at all billions of galexies all of a sudden appeared out of nothing all out of coincidence. And one day a monkey pooped out a human.

        1. alternate poet profile image64
          alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Nobody claims that it appears for no reason, just not the reason you would like to believe.

          And your idea of a monkey popping out a humna is probably the reason you cannot get to grips withthe thinking.  The idea of milions of years of slow change is hard to get, this is why flat-earthers can only imagine the world is 7000 years old, it is as far as they can think.

          1. Onusonus profile image84
            Onusonusposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            I like how when anyone disagrees with you, you automatically assume it's because they are too dumb to be able to comprehend the idea. It's sort of a dead horse, Have you considered switching to "your momma's so fat" jokes?

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              No - the reason people deduce that you do not understand the idea is from your comments that make it clear that - you do not understand the idea.

              Sorry dude. I see you are showing us a photo of you ready to murder people. How very Christian of you. "Thou shalt not kill," has probably been crossed out in your version of the babble huh?

              "Thou shalt not kill unless your children get free health care when you join the army." wink

              1. Onusonus profile image84
                Onusonusposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Well let me assure you that I am solid with the idea but I'm not swallowing it.
                Yes I was out there defending your freedom to speek freely, believe what you want to believe, and pursue happiness. You are welcome. wink
                Alma 43:47 defend your families even unto bloodshed.

                1. alternate poet profile image64
                  alternate poetposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  As someone who 'has been out there' killing people for all the wrong reasons - you have not been defending my freedom to speak one little bit.  You have been lining the pockets of Cheney et al and causing untold havoc.  It is your duty as a soldier to do what you are told, but it is your duty as a human being to question the why.

                  1. Onusonus profile image84
                    Onusonusposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Are you trying to lecture me about a soldiers duty!? HA!

                2. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  And yet another demonstration of your lack of understanding. You were doing no such thing and - honestly - I am shocked at how easily led you are. I guess the two things go well together. Murdering Iraqis for oil money is not defending my freedom to speak freely.

                  Dear me. sad

                  1. Onusonus profile image84
                    Onusonusposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    I was in Korea.

              2. Onusonus profile image84
                Onusonusposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Oh yeah, this one too.
                "The people of the Church are patriotic. In this time of preparation for eventualities which we all pray may not come to us, we people must do our full share. We shall confidently expect that no young man member of the Church will seek to evade his full responsibility. We feel assured that every young man will do his full duty, and live the precepts that guide the Church and its membership "in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." 
                -President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., counselor in the First Presidency.

    2. A.Villarasa profile image75
      A.Villarasaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Good point...

  13. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    http://www.edkrebs.com/herb/petoons28/Stem_Cell_Research.jpg

    1. hanging out profile image58
      hanging outposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      God allowed the knowledge of stem cells to be known. This cartoon is just a bad bit of false information.

  14. aguasilver profile image87
    aguasilverposted 7 years ago

    Touche!

  15. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    If America pulled the troops out of everywhere their would be a massive drop in armament sales and it's economy would suffer.

    Maybe the solution would be to convert all the military installations into environmentally sustainable fuel and technology centres. smile

    1. hanging out profile image58
      hanging outposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      war as a business only unsaved man could think of that

  16. Onusonus profile image84
    Onusonusposted 7 years ago

    Well got to go. Or as they say in Korea; 안녕히 주무세요! long live the dear leader!

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Praise The Lord!!!

      sad

  17. dutchman1951 profile image60
    dutchman1951posted 7 years ago

    As for Korea, well….Here is another one for "you" to consider; A real patriotic Church quote>>>>


    March 19 1970, March Air Force Base, Father John Flarity, Maj. Gen. Commanding; Chaplin Core

    This was  Part of our Separation Briefing on returning from Viet Nam!!!!
    I saved it on tape for prosperity. This was a real speech to the troops returning!



    The Generals exact words were: Quote

    "Gentlemen, welcome home. I know some of you are wrestling with what went on over there.

    What brought you home, and why it had to happen?

    I am here to tell you that God understands you and what happened to you. It was not your fault.  The necessity of your actions, and the fact you were called to duty and obeyed raised your intentions with God.  Following your Government, Gods government!

    God  knows your hearts and minds, and will let  You  forget all that has passed. He knows that the past 13 months were not real, and not  intended for you as his child, and that you submitted yourself to your Government as Paul called all of Gods people to do in his letter. Following the true word. God's wishes!

    God also knows you were provoked by non human acts from others, an enemy;( those people less human!) and he automatically forgives you for your actions; actions justified, done-   in dutiful bounty!

    For He understands and forgives honorable and necessary transgression.

    Now Gentlemen, lets us receive Gods almighty blessing for a job well done, Please bow your heads and pray with me!"..... end quote



    Yea, honor and duty means a lot when your Gun is bigger than their’s!!!!

    1. hanging out profile image58
      hanging outposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      first off i doubt whether in terms of war is Gods government, "Following your Government, Gods government!" Christians are to obey God first if the orders of government are contrary to the ways of God. People think God loves war, God loves justice and people, not war. Jesus is the dispensation now since all the territory is claimed, nations are settled boundaries established the time for war is over as far as the God of the bible is concerned.
      God does not automatically forgive anyone.
      I guess this is another catholic religion setting the example of what not to believe in again. Incorrectness of doctrine and false claims to the God of the bible.
      Sorry you had to go through all that falseness. There are quite a few lies that preacher told you.

  18. qwark profile image60
    qwarkposted 7 years ago

    This was an interesting thread...why did it stop?

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      klarawieckposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You didn't have me around! That's why! tongue

      1. qwark profile image60
        qwarkposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Damnit Klara! Where are ya When we need ya....arrghhhhh...lol

 
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