where you ever in any religion and what made you become atheist or agnostic?
the atheists will laugh at your spelling and use it as an excuse to perpetuate their cause and all of their lack of mistakes.... but, let them make fools of whomever and call that scientific - where knowledge abounds and saves us all from none other than ourselves....
as if arrogance has nothing to do with the self..... or their community...
GOOD LUCK with this forum, but atheism is a religion, etymologically speaking. they represent a community, and stick together in their aims. that, by the most strict origins and definition of the word 'religion', constitutes their being called "religious" and therefore, in and involved with a religion called - ATHEISM.
AND YES, they, some of them, were perhaps once involved in the church, some were muslims, some were hindu.... et cetera.
and i was once...an atheist... it's just HIP to be.
guess what, they have no proof that there is not a god...and use pain and suffering as a counter argument - and that is just one of many faulty sophisms purported by them.
so, if evolution is true (which they love to hold fast to), why do they not choose to evolve and stop perpetuating pain by railing on spiritual people? why not SUFFER the believing community and adapt by being kind, to their kind? if an atheist wants to be that, would you ever pick on them for it???? hurt their feelings???? on purpose???? but you will inevitably with your "offensive beliefs"...
but love and let live...
Do you know what etymology is? I don't think so. You are incorrect.
In early ancient Greek, the adjective atheos (ἄθεος, from the privative ἀ- + θεός "god") meant "godless". It was first used as a term of censure roughly meaning "ungodly" or "impious". In the 5th century BCE, the word began to indicate more-intentional, active godlessness in the sense of "severing relations with the gods" or "denying the gods", instead of the earlier meaning of "impious". The term ἀσεβής (asebēs) then came to be applied against those who impiously denied or disrespected the local gods, even if they believed in other gods. Modern translations of classical texts sometimes render atheos as "atheistic". As an abstract noun, there was also ἀθεότης (atheotēs), "atheism". Cicero transliterated the Greek word into the Latin atheos. The term found frequent use in the debate between early Christians and Hellenists, with each side attributing it, in the pejorative sense, to the other.
In English, the term atheism was derived from the French athéisme in about 1587. The term atheist (from Fr. athée), in the sense of "one who denies or disbelieves the existence of God", predates atheism in English, being first attested in about 1571. Atheist as a label of practical godlessness was used at least as early as 1577. Related words emerged later: deist in 1621, theist in 1662; theism in 1678; and deism in 1682. Deism and theism changed meanings slightly around 1700, due to the influence of atheism; deism was originally used as a synonym for today's theism, but came to denote a separate philosophical doctrine.
Now what about religion? By definition, religion must have a supernatural aspect, which Atheism does not. Read a book for once.
Though my education of religious dogma,I saw a human face relating the laws of God and took this to mean that I too could make the laws of God into my interpretation,as these human faces had to be doing,for they were no more in the presense of God than I,the prophets who wrote the original Bible nor did they or I hear Jesus speak...so I listen to the threat of having to accept Jesus as my savior ,and then the Golden Rule and get confused;)
And this is the premise of why many have chosen to become agnostic and even anti or a/theist. I find you are very correct Ace, because it all is expressed by faces and by books. If anythings be the shortcoming of theology it is the two. As for the "acceptance" part, again, this is untrue -which further adds fuel to an already explosive/corrosive entity. Accepting a man -even divine- and not the gift of the man is, I am certain, what has caused all of the problems.
Ironically, by their teachings, it is easier to say, "accept the man as 'G/god' or else..." than it is to accept the gift from the man, understand what it means and enjoy it. They have turned a perfect thing into yet another human thing. Something new to adore and worship, to exploit, crow about, cry about, fight about. And in all ways -for or against- are equal theist and atheist.
I was very religious, but the proseletyzers and the hypocrites drove me away. I got sick of being told stupid stuff like that a Mickey Mouse as the Sorcerer's Apprentice night light would bring demons into my house. I got sick of people making fun of those who didn't believe as they did, and berating people who didn't make fun of them.
I generally got sick of living in fear of going to hell, when I was already living in hell, and no matter how much I prayed or asked for help, I was not allowed OUT of hell.
Funny, but as soon as I stepped away from religion, my life got better. If there is a God, he has rewarded me for being intelligent enough to get away from the crazies.
Congratulations. I think you did the right move.
I was raised pentecostal christian and was turned off by the hypocrisy, especially when I suffered from depression. It was hard to let go of all the crap I had been indoctrinated with, but I am much happier away from it all, than immersed in it.
My relationship with God was very one-sided - he did not seem interested in helping me.
I've been to hell and back too, so I don't fear hell - I think christians exploit fear.
The cliches and the fake hype are irritating
I never became either...but I was in a tent revival meet once in cleveland.
There's no such thing as an atheist!
The fact that some dirty old men chose to violate young children in the name of God. The church has simply been a vehicle for men to take advantage of young children.
What's better. Preaching the religion way or apologising that grown men have stuck a huge something in a very small place. Facts are facts. Look at the act itself and put yourself in that position.
Anyone who follows or believes in religion with such vehemence should direct that to the wrong doers, those filthy caped crusaders in God's name, because at the moment they are keeping silent about it and simply condone the act itself. Even the Pope is apoligising.
That's where religion lost me. Support the Lord and support the servants who pillage and rape. Sorry, but thats where it lost me...
I used to be religious but then realized that one day for no reason at all, billions of galexies were formed out of absolutely nothing.
And for no reason, OR from any cause.
Yea, That certainly was compelling new evidence ????
I am an atheist, you are on the right path about religion is not for you, but a universe from nothing is only a theory and not proven. I suggest you don't just stop there, it may be right but its not science if you don't prove it. Be more open to other possibilities. Stopping where you are at is pretty much a belief and in some way a religion.
You know? I don't know what sounds more Fantastic... that there is a creative energy that some people call God who created the universe, or that the universe just happened out of absolutely nothing.
I think both are equally fantastic, because both require something to have come from nothing. One requires the universe to have "just happened" and the other requires God to have "just happened" before he made the universe. Both require a spontaneous occurence. The only difference I see is that one has at least SOME evidence to support it where the other does not.
Yet, the latter has a lot of hard evidence to support it and when understood makes sense. The former has only dogma to support it.
i have my own beliefs and values...but they are just mine...i don't belong to any formal group and don't feel i need to.
when you see me around the religion and philosopy threads...i'm joking around most times...i can't take the arguing over beliefs very seriously....i guess i don't see an answer to most questions or statements posed to satisfy the mix of beliefs in the world...i figure ...some people are looking for the same thing but just taking different roads that eventually join together somehow.
..believe in what you want as long as no one is harmed along the way.
back to part of the question...was raised in a catholic family...generations of the faith and culture.
I think Atheism is just as ridiculous as religion. Both sides rely on "faith" and not proof or facts. Both sides are convinced they are right. Neither side can prove anything.
I am agnostic, and former Christian. I believe that something obviously created us and this world we live in, but I don't think we have the brain capacity to even comprehend such a thing. Furthermore, I don't think it matters. Live and let live, do unto others, and all that good stuff.
Im more atheist then agnostic. I would more or less say nothing created us, but there very well could be an an instinct of life and evolving. Some driving force started and wanted to live, or perhaps we are in a sconce project, there is no telling what is right. I'm probably wrong and we will never find out in our life time. Which is a great thing. Think about it, if we knew the meaning of life, life would suck.
Think of it like money. When you have it all what else is there. We just take it for granted when we have it.
Money is fine, if you have it understood as a commodity.
I have made a lot of money and it opened up a lot more possibilities for me. Study, travel, family time etc.
It can be used to buy time for self growth, shared amongst the needy or for paying for food parcels for example.
Some people with money know how to use it.
Bill Gates is a fine example of what to do with your money.
So the Atheists seem to be more confused than the Agnostics.
I am ex-christian, now agnostic. I lean more towards scientific evidence than supernatural experiences
It is an open forum; so I would respond.
We can only know our Creator-God Allah YHWH from his attributes that are reflected in and around us; otherwise we cannot comprehend Him.
I will never understand why there are those who claim to be atheists.
According to the English definition of atheist, it is impossible to be an atheist.
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