How could the Allah book quran be scientific when...

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   Antecessorposted 14 years ago

   The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease." (Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)
   
   Doesnt sound like true scientific method to me.
   
   Sounds more like the sort of stupid things schoolboys make up, or tribal goatherders/fuckers.
   
   
   Credit to "skyfire" for providing, and bringing this quote to my attention.

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      peace paceposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Before claiming the Hadith as stupid, u cld have done some researches that will validate the hadith, let me tell u that medically speaking, it is well known now that the fly carries some pathagens on some parts of its body as mentioned by the Prophet (before 1400 years. approx. when the humans knew very little of modern medicine.) Similarly Allah created organisms and other mechanisms which kill these pathagens e.g. penicillin Fungus kills pathogenic organisms like Staphalococci . Recently experiments have been done under supervision which indicate that a fly carries the disease (pathagens) plus the antidote for those organ-isms. Ordinarily when a fly touches a liquid food it infects the liquid with its pathogens, so it must be dipped in order to release also the antidote for those pathogens to act as a counter balance to the pathogens.

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         gulnazahmadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Thumbs up:-)

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         Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Can you please provide a link to those experiments? Thanks.

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            peace paceposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            yes sure, check this out (an article of Dr Zaghloul El-Naggar, the Chairman of Committee of Scientific Notions in the Qur'an, Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs in Egypt, he is also  a member of the Geological Society of London,  and the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, Tulsa, Oklahoma.)
            
            http://www.quranandscience.com/sunnah-a … drink.html

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               Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               No, no, no, I asked for a link to the experimental data of your claim, I did not ask for faith based garbage.

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                  peace paceposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  It 's a scientific fact since 1917, u r the 1 who is claiming here , it has been EVIDENCE of bacterial pathogen-suppressing micro-organisms living in houseflies. An article in Vol. 43 of the Rockefeller Foundation's Journal of Experimental Medicine (1927) p. 1037 stated:
                  
                  "The flies were given some of the cultured microbes for certain diseases. After some time the germs died and no trace was left of them while a germ-devouring substance formed in the flies - bacteriophages. If a saline solution were to be obtained from these flies it would contain bacteriophages able to suppress four kinds of disease-inducing germs and to benefit immunity against four other kinds."
                  u can also check this:
                  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2131160/  a study of the Department of Animal Pathology of The Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, Princeton, N. J
                  and this:
                  http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/2000 … 72100.html

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                     Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I think you are jumping to conclusions and are attempting to link a generalized faith based claim to something entirely different. Within the fly's internal gastronomic system, some bacterias will remain for a period of time and eventually will disappear. This really has nothing to do with a disease on one wing and the antidote on another. Here are the conclusions of the experiment:
                     
                     

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               libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I would also like to see valid, scientific evidence...a link to the study perhaps?

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                  peace paceposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  here is a new study called The new buzz on antibiotics, read it:
                  The surface of flies is the last place you would expect to find antibiotics, yet that is exactly where a team of Australian researchers is concentrating their efforts
                  Working on the theory that flies must have remarkable antimicrobial defences to survive rotting dung, meat and fruit, the team at the Department of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University, set out to identify those antibacterial properties manifesting at different stages of a fly’s development.
                  
                  "Our research is a small part of a global research effort for new antibiotics, but we are looking where we believe no-one has looked before,” said Ms Joanne Clarke, who presented the group’s findings at the Australian Society for Microbiology Conference in Melbourne this week. The project is part of her PhD thesis.
                  The scientists tested four different species of fly: a house fly, a sheep blowfly, a vinegar fruit fly and the control, a Queensland fruit fly which lays its eggs in fresh fruit. These larvae do not need as much antibacterial compound because they do not come into contact with as much bacteria.
                  
                  Flies go through the life stages of larvae and pupae before becoming adults. In the pupae stage, the fly is encased in a protective casing and does not feed. "We predicted they would not produce many antibiotics," said Ms Clarke.
                  
                  They did not. However the larvae all showed antibacterial properties (except that of the Queensland fruit fly control).
                  
                  As did all the adult fly species, including the Queensland fruit fly (which at this point requires antibacterial protection because it has contact with other flies and is mobile).
                  
                  Such properties were present on the fly surface in all four species, although antibacterial properties occur in the gut as well. "You find activity in both places," said Ms Clarke.
                  
                  "The reason we concentrated on the surface is because it is a simpler extraction.”
                  
                  The antibiotic material is extracted by drowning the flies in ethanol, then running the mixture through a filter to obtain the crude extract.
                  When this was placed in a solution with various bacteria including E.coli, Golden Staph, Candida (a yeast) and a common hospital pathogen, antibiotic action was observed every time.
                  
                  "We are now trying to identify the specific antibacterial compounds," said Ms Clarke. Ultimately these will be chemically synthesised.
                  
                  Because the compounds are not from bacteria, any genes conferring resistance to them may not be as easily transferred into pathogens. It is hoped this new form of antibiotics will have a longer effective therapeutic life.
                  Danny Kingsley - ABC Science Online

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   skyfireposted 14 years ago

   Few more Hadith gems
   
   
   
   1. Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516:
   
   The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."
   
   2. Volume 7, Book 71, Number 608:
   
   Allah's Apostle said, '(There is) no 'Adwa (no contagious disease is conveyed without Allah's permission). nor is there any bad omen (from birds), nor is there any Hamah, nor is there any bad omen in the month of Safar, and one should run away from the leper as one runs away from a lion ''
   
   3. Bukhari:Volume 4 Book 55 Number 546
   
   “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Gabriel has just now told me of the answer. If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble him, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her.’
   
   4. Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 65, Number 306:
   Allah’s Apostle said, “A believer eats in one intestine (is satisfied with a little food), and a kafir (unbeliever) or a hypocrite eats in seven intestines (eats too much).”
   
   5. Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245:
   
   A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears."
   
   6. Sahih Muslim Book 028, Number 5612:
   
   Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Allah?s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine.
   

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      Antecessorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      ha ha ha ha
      
      I am bent over laughing at this mess, this has just made my day!

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hadith was collected 200/250 years after the death of Muhammad, peace be upon him.
         
         Please quote from Quran

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            skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            why Paar you never QUOTE FROM THE QURAN you only state what you think is right with NO PROOF after al you call yourself Muslim when your SECT is discredited by TRUE MUSLIMS and youe SECT can't even go to Mecca, EXPLAIN THAT PAAR????

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            skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            AND YOU QUOTE THE QURAN TOO PAAR

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            Irshadnawposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Out of 600 000 collected, only less than 10 000 were retained as authentic and are available to us in the Bukhari....
            
            Wrong of you to insinuate that Hadith is unreliable.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Quran does not authenticate all of the Hadith; Quran is the first and foremost source of Muslims, watever the denomination.

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   Antecessorposted 14 years ago

   I guess the prophet was having sex with a squirter
   
   "if the woman gets discharge first"

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   skipper112posted 14 years ago

   Tell me I am in fairy land PLEASE is this rubbish for real, how can anybody belive this, . I mean having sex with a 'squiter' so she 'squirt's' the child looks like her??? looks like this is from young kids at school. It is so silly I am still laughing glad I am in the real world and still LAUGHING this is pure bull guess I must be carefull 'satan' might piss in my ears ,  watch out for the 'birds' ok I'll go and eat my nice pork dinner and I'll (laughing) watch out for crazy flies,and if  any land in my Southern Comfort I'll wring them out and bugger the wings. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thank you for the laugh I needed it oh I play Chess too  with clean hands 'is this for real' can anybody be this STUPID

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   pisean282311posted 14 years ago

   well i am surprised with the topic..because most books which have be elevated to status of holy has both scientific and totally non scientific things in it...for e.g. earth is flat and such things...those things which have been scientific and got included into books have been which were already discovered during those era while many have been stories and fantasies...

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Quran does not claim to be a text book of science.
   
   Quran wants that man should enrich his intelligence and experience by pondering over the natural and physical phenomenon in the Universe.
   
   [67:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
   [67:2] Blessed is He in Whose hand is the kingdom, and He has power over all things;
   
   [67:3] Who has created death and life that He might try you — which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Most Forgiving.
   [67:4] Who has created seven heavens in harmony. No incongruity canst thou see in the creation of the Gracious God. Then look again: Seest thou any flaw?
   
   [67:5] Aye, look again, and yet again, thy sight will only return unto thee confused and fatigued.
   
   http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … mp;verse=0
   
   Quran is for guidance in the ethical, moral and spiritual fields.

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      pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      well but many scholars of quran do believe that quran is for everything including science...

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Scholars are human beings; they could make mistakes; the Quran does not mention that it is a text book of science or that Quran was sent by the Creator-God Allah YHWH so that man could make advancement in science by just reading it. Quran does not prophibit scientific activity or any other faculty of knowledge.

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         Irshadnawposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         51.47: And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander....
         
         revealed 1400 years ago, confirmed today that the universe is still expanding.
         
         55:33 O assembly of jinns and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass (them)! But you will never be able to pass them, except with authority (from Allah)!
         
         talking about space exploration that has been achieved today.
         
         22:5 O mankind! If you are in doubt about the Resurrection, then verily! We have created you (i.e. Adam) from dust, then from a Nutfah (mixed drops of male and female sexual discharge i.e. offspring of Adam), then from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood) then from a little lump of flesh, some formed and some unformed (miscarriage), that We may make (it) clear to you (i.e. to show you Our Power and Ability to do what We will). And We cause whom We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed term, then We bring you out as infants, then (give you growth) that you may reach your age of full strength.
         
         confirmed nowadays....just a few so you know...

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The above are all true; by reading such verses one can get guidance in one's life in matters spiritual and improve oneself; but a text book of science is in equations, symbols and terminology not understandable by ordinary persons.
            
            From the style of Quran everone can benefit from it directly.

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      Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I've just noticed in your quotations Paar the inconsistencies in the language used. You have a mix of 'you's and 'thee's from one verse to the next. You start by quoting modern English but then go all Shakespearian with the 'canst' the 'thou' and the 'aye'. Does Allah speak Elizabethan occasionally? Please answer with quotes from Quran.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The original Quran is in Arabic; English is only a translation; I will provide you the text in Arabic; just give me the reference.

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         gulnazahmadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         For heaven sake its so simple did Bible revealed in english, definitely no. English is much modern language and all of the scriptures including Quran were revealed in other languages. When people do english translations they can make mistakes. :-)

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Quran does not claim to be a text book of science.
   
   Quran wants that man should enrich his intelligence and experience by pondering over the natural and physical phenomenon in the Universe.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Quran does not claim to be a text book of science.
   
   Quran wants that man should enrich his intelligence and experience by pondering over the natural and physical phenomenon in the Universe.
   
   [67:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
   [67:2] Blessed is He in Whose hand is the kingdom, and He has power over all things;
   [67:3] Who has created death and life that He might try you — which of you is best in deeds; and He is the Mighty, the Most Forgiving.
   [67:4] Who has created seven heavens in harmony. No incongruity canst thou see in the creation of the Gracious God. Then look again: Seest thou any flaw?
   [67:5] Aye, look again, and yet again, thy sight will only return unto thee confused and fatigued.
   
   http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … mp;verse=0
   
   Quran is for guidance in the ethical, moral and spiritual fields.

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      skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I am laughing so hard paar I cannot answer such pure rubish, if I want a girl baby I have sex with a 'squiter' oh joy

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Quran is for guidance in the ethical, moral and spiritual fields.

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      skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      oh paar,
      how can the Quran be have anything to do with science, after reading about the flys wings ( 1 has a disease, 1 has the Cure,) I worked out that was witch doctor stuff then were I read if the woman 'squits'first the child will look like her.I knew I was in the land of PURE MAKE BELIVE????
      this must be the biggest story of pure make belive,' if the woman squits 1st', oh my now you want to marry a squiter. raflmao

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