Muhammad the Greatest among the sons of Adam

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Muhammad was not a god or son of god; nevertheless he was a chosen one of the Creator-God and it is a fact that he was the greatest among the sons of Adam and Eve and a servant of Him.
   Jesus was also not a god or son of god; he was only a Son of Man/woman.

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      pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      

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      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ego- MY prophet, my religions is the greatest and best reveals a lack of understanding the prophets, god  and their message.

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         mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         This is as foolish as a Hindu saying Krishna was the greatest or a Christian saying Jesus was the greatest, this has been the root cause of many ugly wars which gives religion and the prophets a bad name.
         The prophets were not fanatics and spread the oneness of all, stop twisting and corrupting these great masters names.

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            maven101posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Camus, may peace be on him, has writ that life is absurd...after reading some of these comments praising the " religion of Peace " I fully agree with him...

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Excellent political move, place prospective candidate on pedestal of righteousness while defaming the incumbent.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Observant.

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   Daniel Carterposted 14 years ago

   Opinion editorial noted.
   
   Why anyone can construe that they were more than men is mystifying. Both can claim a certain level of enlightenment, perhaps, that might give insight for people who seek enlightenment, but to go beyond that they were mortal is superstition and really cannot be proven factually.

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   just_curiousposted 14 years ago

   Good for you paar. A thread on a belief of Islam. I like it. Not attacking anyone, just throwing out something you believe in. Nice idea. I would disagree with your statement, but other than that; well done.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      We can agree to ,what they see, to disagree; nevermind; that is what is my intention to have an inter-faith dialogue while every one is free to choose from it to come near to Absolute Truth .
      
      Life of Muhammad: A biography
      http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Li … hammad.pdf

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         just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hey paar. I wasn't inclined to go to your link, but since I'm impressed with this OP, I'm going to go and read it tonight  when I get home. It better be worth it.

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            Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            you might want to check out a less biased opinion from a group other than "ISLAM INTERNATIONAL PUBLICATINS LIMITED"

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               just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I know, but I'm trying to be nice. This is a big step for him. He should know it's appreciated. Whatever it is, trust me, I've probably read more biased things. Try reading an atheist website slamming  christians. Nothing's more biased and offensive than that.

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                  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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                     just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hmmm. Back to your old tricks. Changed my mind. I won't check out your website.

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                        paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        It is your own sweet will; no compulsion from me.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Incomparable & supremely great ethics and courteousness of the Holy Prophet
               
               The Blessed Life of Prophet Muhammad
                
               http://www.alislam.org/archives/sermons … 225-EN.pdf
               
               Why you become biased to this site?

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                  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  it's not what one would call a neutral site, is it Paar?
                  
                  Kinda like googling the Roman Catholic Church when seeking the histocial facts of Jesus?

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                     paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     There is no harm having first information from any source; later one could check the detail elsewhere; it is a fee world.

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                        Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        what you call 'first information' = propaganda

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The character of the Holy Prophet Muhammad -- An Urdu speech
      By Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad
      
      Historical Address delivered by Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, Khalifatul Maseeh IV - the previous administrative and spiritual head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. The topic of the Address was Seerat-un-Nabi or the Life of the Prophet Muhammad, may peace be on him. This Address was delivered during the concluding session of Jalsa Salana United Kingdom 1996 in Urdu Language.
      
      http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p … C6EAFF6F78

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   Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

   Don't get me wrong, Muhammad was a great fighter, but in his prime I would take Tyson
   
   

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Muhammad only fought rationally against Meccans who attacked Muslims of Medina, hundreds of mile away, aggressively to make Muslims extinct; Muhammad had a right to defend himself.
      
      History Channel - Biography of Muhammad
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0xBdqCKG0g

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         Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         you are wrong, sir... here is a list of all his fights..
         
         1960
         October 29 - Tunney Hunsaker, Louisville, KY - W 6
         December 27 - Herb Siler, Miami Beach, FL - KO 4
         
         1961
         January 17 - Tony Esperti, Miami Beach, FL - KO 3
         February 7 - Jim Robinson, Miami Beach, FL - KO 1
         February 21 - Donnie Fleeman, Miami Beach, FL - KO 7
         April 19 - Lamar Clark, Louisville, KY - KO 2
         June 26 - Duke Sabedong, Las Vegas, NV - W 10
         July 22 - Alonzo Johnson, Louisville, KY - W 10
         October 7 - Alex Miteff, Louisville, KY - KO 6
         November 29 - Willi Besmanoff, Louisville, KY - KO 7
         
         1962
         February 19 - Sonny Banks, New York, NY - KO 4
         March 28 - Don Warner, Miami Beach, FL - KO 4
         April 23 - George Logan, Los Angeles, CA - KO 6
         May 19 - Billy Daniels, New York, NY - KO 7
         July 20 - Alejandro Lavorante, Los Angeles, CA - KO 5
         November 15 - Archie Moore, Los Angeles, CA - KO 4
         
         1963
         January 24 - Charlie Powell, Pittsburgh, PA - KO 3
         March 13 - Doug Jones, New York, NY - W 10
         June 18 - Henry Cooper, London - KO 5
         
         1964
         February 25 - Sonny Liston, Miami Beach, FL - KO 7
         Muhammad Ali wins the Heavyweight Title
         
         1965
         May 25 - Sonny Liston, Lewiston, ME - KO 1
         November 22 - Floyd Patterson, Las Vegas, NV - KO 12
         
         1966
         March 29 - George Chuvalo, Toronto - W 15
         May 21 - Henry Cooper, London - KO 6
         August 6 - Brian London, London - KO 3
         September 10 - Karl Mildenberger, Frankfurt,Germany - KO 12
         November 14 - Cleveland Williams, Houston, TX - KO 3
         
         1967
         February 6 - Ernie Terrell, Houston, TX - W 15
         March 22 - Zora Folley, New York, NY - KO 7
         Ali is stripped of his title in April, for refusing the
         military draft on religious grounds.
         
         1970
         Ali returns to boxing after three-and-a-half year layoff.
         October 26 - Jerry Quarry, Atlanta, GA - KO 3
         December 7 - Oscar Bonavena, New York, NY - KO 15
         
         1971
         March 8 - Joe Frazier, New York, NY - L 15
         Ali loses Heavyweight Title match.
         It is his 1st loss as a Professional.
         Frazier is now the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion.
         
         July 26 - Jimmy Ellis, Houston, TX - KO 12
         November 17 - Buster Mathis, Houston, TX - W 12
         December 26 - Jurgen Blin, Zurich, Switzerland - KO 7
         
         1972
         April 1 - Mac Foster, Tokyo, Japan - W 15
         May 1 - George Chuvalo, Vancouver, Canada - W 12
         June 29 - Jerry Quarry, Las Vegas, NV - KO 7
         July 19 - Al 'Blue' Lewis, Dublin - KO 11
         September 20 - Floyd Patterson, New York, NY - KO 7
         November 21 - Bob Foster, Stateline, NV - KO 8
         
         1973
         February 14 - Joe Bugner, Las Vegas, NV - W 12
         March 31 - Ken Norton, San Diego, CA - L 12
         Jaw is broken in 2nd round, but Ali fights 10 more rounds. Loses by decision. Only the 2nd loss of Ali's career.
         
         September 10 - Ken Norton, Los Angeles, CA - W 12
         October 20 - Rudi Lubbers, Jakarta, Indonesia - W 12
         
         1974
         January 28 - Joe Frazier, New York, NY - W 12
         October 30 - George Foreman, Kinshasa, Zaire - KO 8
         Muhammad Ali Regains the Heavyweight Title,
         becoming only the 2nd Heavyweight to ever do so.
         
         1975
         March 24 - Chuck Wepner, Cleveland, OH - KO 15
         May 16 - Ron Lyle, Las Vegas, NV - KO 11
         June 30 - Joe Bugner, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - W 15
         October 1 - Joe Frazier, Manila, Phillipines - KO 14
         
         1976
         February 20 - Jean Pierre Coopman, San Juan, PR - KO 5
         April 30 - Jimmy Young, Landover, MD - W 15
         May 24 - Richard Dunn, Munich, Germany - KO 5
         September 28 - Ken Norton, New York, NY - W 15
         
         1977
         May 16 - Alfredo Evangelista, Landover, MD - W 15
         September 29 - Earnie Shavers, New York, NY - W 15
         
         1978
         February 15 - Leon Spinks, Las Vegas, NV - L 15
         Ali loses the Heavyweight Title by Split-Decision.
         3rd Loss of Ali's Career
         
         September 15 - Leon Spinks, New Orleans, LA - W 15
         Muhammad Ali wins the Heavyweight Title for the 3rd time,
         becoming the first Heavyweight in boxing history to do so.
         
         Muhammad Ali announces his retirement from boxing.
         
         1980
         October 2 - Larry Holmes, Las Vegas, NV - L by TKO 11
         Ali makes a failed comeback after 2-year layoff and loses
         in an attempt to win Title for the 4th time.
         
         1981
         December 11 - Trevor Berbick, Nassau, Bahamas - L 10
         Ali loses again in a final failed comeback attempt.
         
         MUHAMMAD ALI retires from boxing for good.

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I am correct sir:
            
            The Battle of Badr (Arabic: غزوة بدر‎), fought March 13, 624 AD (17 Ramadan, 2 AH in the Islamic calendar) in the Hejaz region of western Arabia (present-day Saudi Arabia), was a key battle in the early days of Islam and a turning point in Muhammad's struggle with his opponents among the Quraish[1] in Mecca. The battle has been passed down in Islamic history as a decisive victory attributable to divine intervention, or by secular sources to the strategic genius of Muhammad. It is one of the few battles specifically mentioned in the Quran. Most contemporary knowledge of the battle at Badr comes from traditional Islamic accounts, both hadiths and biographies of Muhammad, recorded in written form some time after the battle.[2]
            Prior to the battle, the Muslims and Meccans had fought several smaller skirmishes in late 623 and early 624, as the Muslim ghazawāt (prophet-led battles) had become more frequent. Badr, however was the first large-scale engagement between the two forces. Advancing to a strong defensive position, Muhammad's well-disciplined force broke the Meccan lines, killing several important Quraishi leaders including Muhammad's chief antagonist, 'Amr ibn Hishām. For the early Muslims the battle was the first sign that they might eventually defeat their enemies among the Meccans. Mecca at that time was one of the richest and most powerful cities in Arabia, fielding an army three times larger than that of the Muslims. The Muslim victory also signalled other tribes that a new power had arisen in Arabia and strengthened Muhammad’s position as leader of the often fractious community in Medina.
            
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Badr

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               Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               what about the rumble in the jungle??

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   Home Girlposted 14 years ago

   

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      canadawest99posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Adam and eve supposedly lived 6,000 years ago. muhammad like about 1000 years ago.  They have no bloodline relation to each other, but I guess an argument about fictional characters doesn't really matter anyway.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   I took the title of the thread from the following, written by a Christian,William Montgomery Watt.
   
   
   Not possible to refuse Muhammad rationally: Analyzing William Montgomery Watt
   
   
   William Montgomery Watt called Muhammad, may peace be on him, 'one of the greatest sons of Adam,' he regarded the Holy Quran as divinely inspired, though not infallible, yet he continued to be an apologist for Christianity all his life. Is there any rational way to reconcile Watt's views?
   
   The more we study Watt and other reasonable Christian Orientalists, it seems that only way to deny prophethood of Muhammad, is to have an irrational animosity against him, like the medieval Christians or a deceptive approach of constantly shifting sands! Propping up necessary illusions against the greatest champion for humanity and propaganda seem to be the only way to sustain denial of Muhammad. This Google Knol is dedicated to analyzing person and writings of William Montgomery Watt.
   
   Any interpretation of individual incidents of the prophet Muhammad's life that is not consistent with his well established achievements and well documented developments of his life, completely violates the principles of history. It is an obligation of every historian to give the readers a plausible and a consistent account of the person they write about. Unfortunately, when it comes to the Holy Prophet Muhammad, many Christian writers are unable to rise above the centuries of medieval prejudices against him that the Catholic Church had cultivated in the times of crusades. This introduces numerous contradictions in their writings and in my opinion William Montgomery Watt is a prime example of this phenomenon.
   
   If my knols are boring to you, it may be that you need to read more of them, as was suggested by John Cage, "If something is boring after two minutes, try it for four. If still boring, then eight. Then sixteen. Then thirty-two. Eventually one discovers that it is not boring at all."
   
   http://knol.google.com/k/not-possible-t … mery-watt#

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   Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

   Isn't he Ron's uncle?

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   Disappearingheadposted 14 years ago

   Oh I am so disappointed Paar. Over the last couple weeks I've come back to forumland after a long stay away and found myself agreeing with many of your insightful comments. But this OP looks like 'Old-Paar'; a Paar that simply puts out posts that say 'Islam and Muhammed Rule OK' with a thin veneer of humility, that convinces nobody that you are really seeking interfaith dialogue.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry for your disappointment. I took the title from
      William Montgomery Watt, a Christian who called Muhammad, 'one of the greatest sons of Adam,'.
      
      And there is no doubt in it; in fact the greatness belongs to the Creator-God Allah YHWH; and all great men like Krishna,Buddha,Moses,Zoroaster, Jesus and Muhammad served His cause with humility; they never boasted about themselves.
      
      Thanks and regards

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Such as

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