Meccans attack peaceful Muhammad at Medina- “Battle of Uhud”

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   Meccans attacked Muhammad at Medina:
   
   The Battle of Uhud (Arabic: غزوة أحد‎ Ġazwat ‘Uḥud) was fought on March 19, 625 AD (3 Shawwal 3 AH in the Islamic calendar) at the valley located in front of Mount Uhud, in what is now North-Western Arabia.[1] It occurred between a force from the Muslim community of Medina led by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and a force led by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb from Mecca, the town from which many of the Muslims had previously emigrated (See Hijra). The Battle of ‘Uḥud was the second military encounter between the Meccans and the Muslims, preceded by the Battle of Badr in 624 AD, where a small Muslim army had defeated the much larger Meccan army. Marching out from Mecca towards Medina on March 11, 625 AD, the Meccans desired to avenge their losses at Badr and strike back at Muhammad and his followers. The Muslims readied for war soon afterwards and the two armies fought on the slopes and plains of Mount ‘Uḥud.
   
   Whilst heavily outnumbered, the Muslims gained the early initiative and forced the Meccan lines back, thus leaving much of the Meccan camp unprotected. When the battle looked to be only one step far from a decisive Muslim victory, a serious mistake was committed by a part of the Muslim army, which shifted the outcome of the battle. A breach of Muhammad's orders by the Muslim archers, who left their assigned posts to despoil the Meccan camp, allowed a surprise attack from the Meccan cavalry, led by Meccan war veteran Khalid ibn al-Walid, which brought chaos to the Muslim ranks. Many Muslims were killed, and even Muhammad himself was almost killed and came out badly injured. The Muslims had to withdraw up the slopes of ‘Uḥud. The Meccans did not pursue the Muslims further, but marched back to Mecca declaring victory.
   
   For the Muslims, the battle was a significant setback: although they had been close to routing the Meccans a second time, their breach of Muhammad's orders in favor of collecting Meccan spoils reaped severe consequences. The two armies would meet again in 627 AD at the Battle of the Trench.[2]
   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Uhud
   
   It was the Meccans who were the aggressors as they attacked Medina with much large numbers than Muslims in Medina. The casualties of Muslims of 70+casualties of Meccans 45= 115, was therefore the responsibility of Meccans; Muhammad only defended his position.
   
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      luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      They should be sanctioned.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   Like it would have been immoral for Krishna not to defend his faith and his position when his uncles and cousins attacked Krishna and his followers, very much mentioned in Gita; likewise it would have been immoral for Muhammad if he had not defended his position or his faith when Meccans attacked Medina with large numbers in the battles of Uhud and the battle of Trench.
   
   In this sense I see character of Krishna merging with the character of Muhammad; in priciple they are one to defend their faith and their position.
   
   I experess my faith freely with reasons; others are free to express their faith differing with me with reasons; absolutely no compulsion.
   
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   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
   
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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, it is immoral to kill others for a religious ideology, extremely immoral.
      
      Muhammad murdered those in Mecca who didn't capitulate to his demands of accepting Islam.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend (Q)
         
         Muhammad never attacked Mecca; and he never killed even a single person there; it were the Meccans who always attacked Medina and got killed. You are absolutely mistaken.
         
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            (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            And, you are absolutely fabricating disinformation.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friends
               
               I never did and I have presented the events from the Wikipedia, a neutral source.
               
               Those who differ with me should present the event from anyother Encylopedia.
               
               They know they cannot
               
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                  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  The battle of Uhud occurred after the battle of Badr. Here is the quote from Wikipedia:
                  
                  
                  "It is one of the few battles specifically mentioned in the Quran. Most contemporary knowledge of the battle at Badr comes from traditional Islamic accounts, both hadiths and biographies of Muhammad, written decades after the battle."
                  
                  
                  Neutral source?

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                     paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi friend (Q)]
                     
                     Yes, the events of Badr are mentioned specifically in Quran as a great sign; I give it here it for all of the friends here:
                     
                     [3:118] The likeness of what they spend for the present life is as the likeness of a wind wherein there is intense cold which smites the harvest of a people who have wronged themselves, and destroys it. And Allah has not wronged them, but they wrong themselves.
                     [3:119] O ye who believe! take not others than your own people as intimate friends; they will not fail to corrupt you. They love to see you in trouble. Hatred has already shown itself through the utterances of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still. We have made clear to you Our commandments, if you will understand.
                     [3:120] Behold, you are those who love them, but they love you not. And you believe in all the Book. When they meet you, they say, ‘We believe;’ but when they are alone, they bite their finger-tips at you for rage. Say, ‘Perish in your rage. Surely, Allah knows well what is hidden in your breasts.’
                     [3:121] If anything good befall you, it grieves them; and if an evil befall you, they rejoice thereat. But if you be steadfast and righteous, their designs will not harm you at all; surely, Allah encompasses all that they do.
                     [3:122] And remember the time when thou didst go forth early in the morning from thy household, assigning to the believers their positions for battle. And Allah is All- Hearing, All-Knowing;
                     [3:123] When two of your groups meditated cowardice, although Allah was their friend. And upon Allah should the believers rely.
                     
                     [3:124] And Allah had already helped you at Badr when you were weak. So take Allah for your Protector that you may be grateful.
                     
                     [3:125] When thou didst say to the believers, ‘Will it not suffice you that your Lord should help you with three thousand angels sent down from on high?’
                     [3:126] Yea, if you be steadfast and righteous and they come upon you immediately in hot haste, your Lord will help you with five thousand angels, attacking vehemently.
                     [3:127] And Allah has made it only as glad tidings for you and that your hearts might be at rest thereby; and help comes from Allah alone, the Mighty, the Wise.
                     
                     http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=117
                     
                     Now see the verse for yourself [3:124]with the verses in the context; it is the Creator-God Allah YHWH who helped Muhammad to repulse the Meccans aggressive attack at Badr, nearer to Medina, perhaps they were ill-advised by the Skeptics of that  era to attack the believers. So those who were killed were the total responsibilty of the Meccans as it was their doing to attack.
                     
                     Muhammad was a peaceful and rational defeneder of his free faith.
                     
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                        (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, so there is no neutral source as you claim but instead a sugar-coated twist on a murderous despot conquering his enemies.

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                           paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Hi friend (Q)]
                           
                           You may quote the events from any other reputed Encylopedia of your choice like Encyclopedia Brittanica; but you cannot as Skeptics stance would be exposed.
                           
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                           I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                              (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              You seem to prefer Wiki articles, have you tried putting the search criteria, "Muslim Conquests" in the Wiki search engine?
                              
                              You could even check the Hadiths:
                              
                              “been called to fight all men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His messenger.”

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                                 Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 It a funny islamic trait that all Muslims blame the Meccans for the battles but not Muhammad. According to most Muslims, the Meccans were evil, corrupted, murderers & rapists. Muhammad killed no Meccans. Then where did this evil Meccan tribe go? Vanished? Nope, they all converted to Islam & most funniest part is, right after the moment of their conversion to Islam, all of them turned out to be Angels!!  Yep, Pure innocent soft hearted Meccans, who were described as rapists & murders by Muhammad just a couple of days earlier

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                              Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              "You may quote the events from any other reputed Encylopedia of your choice like Encyclopedia Brittanica; but you cannot as Skeptics stance would be exposed.
                              
                              
                              The Skeptics Stance...
                              
                              

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   LeanManposted 14 years ago

   And the point of this is what???
   
   The Saudis were fighting in madina, nothing new there, I see them fighting over petty arguments on the roads here everyday...

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Meccans attacked Muhammad at Medina:
   
   The Battle of Uhud (Arabic: غزوة أحد‎ Ġazwat ‘Uḥud) was fought on March 19, 625 AD (3 Shawwal 3 AH in the Islamic calendar) at the valley located in front of Mount Uhud, in what is now North-Western Arabia.[1] It occurred between a force from the Muslim community of Medina led by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and a force led by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb from Mecca, the town from which many of the Muslims had previously emigrated (See Hijra). The Battle of ‘Uḥud was the second military encounter between the Meccans and the Muslims, preceded by the Battle of Badr in 624 AD, where a small Muslim army had defeated the much larger Meccan army. Marching out from Mecca towards Medina on March 11, 625 AD, the Meccans desired to avenge their losses at Badr and strike back at Muhammad and his followers. The Muslims readied for war soon afterwards and the two armies fought on the slopes and plains of Mount ‘Uḥud.
   
   Whilst heavily outnumbered, the Muslims gained the early initiative and forced the Meccan lines back, thus leaving much of the Meccan camp unprotected. When the battle looked to be only one step far from a decisive Muslim victory, a serious mistake was committed by a part of the Muslim army, which shifted the outcome of the battle. A breach of Muhammad's orders by the Muslim archers, who left their assigned posts to despoil the Meccan camp, allowed a surprise attack from the Meccan cavalry, led by Meccan war veteran Khalid ibn al-Walid, which brought chaos to the Muslim ranks. Many Muslims were killed, and even Muhammad himself was almost killed and came out badly injured. The Muslims had to withdraw up the slopes of ‘Uḥud. The Meccans did not pursue the Muslims further, but marched back to Mecca declaring victory.
   
   For the Muslims, the battle was a significant setback: although they had been close to routing the Meccans a second time, their breach of Muhammad's orders in favor of collecting Meccan spoils reaped severe consequences. The two armies would meet again in 627 AD at the Battle of the Trench.[2]
   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Uhud
   
   It was the Meccans who were the aggressors as they attacked Medina with much large numbers than Muslims in Medina. The casualties of Muslims of 70+casualties of Meccans 45= 115, was therefore the responsibility of Meccans; Muhammad only defended his position.

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