Getitrite, you need to learn about science and the scientific method.
The only evidence for the FSM is that spaghetti is in most homes. However, the only time it flies is when I fling it onto the fridge to see if it is cooked yet. Most gods would not tolerate me cooking them for culinary purposes and thus can only be taken as evidence against, not for.
Please don't bring the Flying Spaghetti Monster into this.I've spent many nights with the FSM right in front of me...meatballs and all...Hmm...that sounds a bit g...NO!I'm NOT!I'm NOT!I'm NOT!...Grins...
paar, I hate to sound uncharitable, but get the scientific religious proof threads out of religion. If you have scientific proof that God either does or does not exist, please debate it under education and science.
Since I (perhaps wrongly) presume that you do not have any of this proof/unproof, give up the ghost, man. It's getting really old.
I've never heard a scientist state that God doesn't exist. I came to the conclusion that gods probably don't exist because I've seen no evidence of them and for many god concepts there is evidence against them in the form of logical arguments. One doesn't need to disprove in order to disbelieve, I don't need someone to prove the tooth fairy or bigfoot doesn't exist in order to stop believing, I just need the right amount of skepticism.
If the Scientists do not say and you have not heard them say that the Creator-God Allah YHWH does not exist; then why should you deny it?
It is very unreasonable approach. One believes in the Creator-God very naturally; no need for any argument necessarily.
Do you believe that your parents exist? Are you in need of some argument for their existence? No; they love you so much and provide you right from your childhood that you have never even thought of any argument.
So why should you not believe in Him very naturally?
[2:201] And when you have performed the acts of worship prescribed for you, celebrate the praises of Allah as you celebrated the praises of your fathers, or even more than that. And of men there are some who say, ‘Our Lord, grant us good things in this world;’ and such a one shall have no share in the Hereafter. [2:202] And of them there are some who say: ‘Our Lord, grant us good in this world as well as good in the world to come, and protect us from the torment of the Fire.’
One cannot naturally believe in the supernatural. People are not born with belief in God, otherwise parents would never need to indoctrinate their children.
"Are you in need of some argument for their existence?"
Your two questions are nonsensical. I can see my parents, I can be embraced by them. Not only do I have direct experience of them but other people around me see them. If there was any doubt tests could indeed be performed to prove their existence. Not only is there direct experience of myself and others but there is documentation such as photographic and video evidence. There is also the fact that we know humans come from parents, we understand the process, so if I didn't have parents it would be the exception to the rule, it would be an extreme claim and thus hold the burden of proof. Parents are also natural, not supernatural.
"So why should you not believe in Him very naturally?"
Because the supernatural is not naturally believable, by its very definition.
Even you, Parr, must understand that proving the absence of an imaginary god cannot be done. It is an exercise in futility and no branch of logic or knowledge will offer any help at all.
On the other, the complete lack of any evidence whatsoever for such a god results in a very good working hypotheses that it does not exist. It is not proof of course, but it works in the real world and fits the facts that are known.
Until such evidence is found to provide at least some support of the god in question the hypothesis is allowed to stand and be used.
This is how science works; form a hypothesis that fits the world as best as we can and then look for evidence that it is wrong. Until such evidence is found the hypothesis is acceptable.
I don't talk of any imaginary god; I talk of the real Creator-God.
It they express their inability to prove that He does not exist; it is their own helplessness.
Then it would be very reasonable for them to believe in the real Creator-God.
[14:11] Their Messengers said, ‘Are you in doubt concerning Allah, Maker of the heavens and the earth? He calls you that He may forgive you your sins, and grant you respite till an appointed term.’ They said, ‘You are but men like ourselves; you desire to turn us away from that which our fathers used to worship. Bring us, then, a clear proof.’
May the FSM be with you Earnest! It will enter you and spread throughout. Or at least throughout your belly, and It will be good.
On a practical note, I find that his holiness is best served with a sauce, usually of tomato, but sometimes of other materials. A little flesh from other creatures adds and helps alleviate the inevitable blandness and simplicity of his holiness. Do enjoy yourself!
Let me quote myself from an earlier discussion... ''Yin/Yang=a whole God is love/Satan is hate God is the creator of all, therefore he created Satan and thus created hate. If God is both love and hate, he is black and white, the Yin and the Yang. God is the sum of its parts. A positive and a negative cancels itself out, Therefore, God does not exist.''
Atheists- the People of Doubt,if they express their inability to prove that the Creator-God does not exist; it is their own helplessness; the best option for them is to start believing in Him and come out of their frustration.
All religions/creators are idiotic, contradictory, irrational and BS. If you desperately want to believe in nonsense, probably your EQ has some digits less. Also why not you believe in Creator Zeus, creator Brahma, Creator Viracocha, creator Atum, why only in Allah or YHWH?
"One believes in the Creator-God very naturally; no need for any argument necessarily. " When you made these idiotic observation didn't you know that, if left to grow up without any religion, no humans worship any creator?
As the person making the claims your are supposed to give rational explanations, not me. So far you have said only nonsense and quoted only from two of the most contradictory, inconsistent and violent books!
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