Just to believe “The Creator-God does not exist”; only because some scientists says so, is a very unscientific approach, more so when they don’t present any scientific proof to that effect.
Life doesn't require any knowledge of any god to be understood.
Life doesn't require any knowledge of any god to be lived.
Therefore, no god required
Plain and Simple.
The Islamic propagandist fabricates stories and lies when all else fails.
That's the same thing I said about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but no one is listening to my superior logic. What a shame!
Getitrite, you need to learn about science and the scientific method.
The only evidence for the FSM is that spaghetti is in most homes. However, the only time it flies is when I fling it onto the fridge to see if it is cooked yet. Most gods would not tolerate me cooking them for culinary purposes and thus can only be taken as evidence against, not for.
Please don't bring the Flying Spaghetti Monster into this.I've spent many nights with the FSM right in front of me...meatballs and all...Hmm...that sounds a bit g...NO!I'm NOT!I'm NOT!I'm NOT!...Grins...
I never heard a scientist claim that and if he did I would ask for evidence or proof.
Whoever believes the scientist on face value is just as logical as someone who believes that a god DOES exist on the face value of an old book.
paar, I hate to sound uncharitable, but get the scientific religious proof threads out of religion. If you have scientific proof that God either does or does not exist, please debate it under education and science.
Since I (perhaps wrongly) presume that you do not have any of this proof/unproof, give up the ghost, man. It's getting really old.
its no science to be scientific i say :
I've never heard a scientist state that God doesn't exist. I came to the conclusion that gods probably don't exist because I've seen no evidence of them and for many god concepts there is evidence against them in the form of logical arguments. One doesn't need to disprove in order to disbelieve, I don't need someone to prove the tooth fairy or bigfoot doesn't exist in order to stop believing, I just need the right amount of skepticism.
If the Scientists do not say and you have not heard them say that the Creator-God Allah YHWH does not exist; then why should you deny it?
It is very unreasonable approach.
One believes in the Creator-God very naturally; no need for any argument necessarily.
Do you believe that your parents exist? Are you in need of some argument for their existence? No; they love you so much and provide you right from your childhood that you have never even thought of any argument.
So why should you not believe in Him very naturally?
[2:201] And when you have performed the acts of worship prescribed for you, celebrate the praises of Allah as you celebrated the praises of your fathers, or even more than that. And of men there are some who say, ‘Our Lord, grant us good things in this world;’ and such a one shall have no share in the Hereafter.
[2:202] And of them there are some who say: ‘Our Lord, grant us good in this world as well as good in the world to come, and protect us from the torment of the Fire.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=200
"One believes in the Creator-God very naturally"
One cannot naturally believe in the supernatural. People are not born with belief in God, otherwise parents would never need to indoctrinate their children.
"Are you in need of some argument for their existence?"
Your two questions are nonsensical. I can see my parents, I can be embraced by them. Not only do I have direct experience of them but other people around me see them. If there was any doubt tests could indeed be performed to prove their existence. Not only is there direct experience of myself and others but there is documentation such as photographic and video evidence. There is also the fact that we know humans come from parents, we understand the process, so if I didn't have parents it would be the exception to the rule, it would be an extreme claim and thus hold the burden of proof. Parents are also natural, not supernatural.
"So why should you not believe in Him very naturally?"
Because the supernatural is not naturally believable, by its very definition.
Um, the default state is not not believe in things. It is very scientific; it's called the null hypothesis.
But really, why do you just keep posting the same thing over and over.
It is very dull.
So what point are you making? Oh that's right, you don't make points, you just start a thread a minute to bash those who don't buy the myths you keep claiming are the only truth......
Even you, Parr, must understand that proving the absence of an imaginary god cannot be done. It is an exercise in futility and no branch of logic or knowledge will offer any help at all.
On the other, the complete lack of any evidence whatsoever for such a god results in a very good working hypotheses that it does not exist. It is not proof of course, but it works in the real world and fits the facts that are known.
Until such evidence is found to provide at least some support of the god in question the hypothesis is allowed to stand and be used.
This is how science works; form a hypothesis that fits the world as best as we can and then look for evidence that it is wrong. Until such evidence is found the hypothesis is acceptable.
I don't talk of any imaginary god; I talk of the real Creator-God.
It they express their inability to prove that He does not exist; it is their own helplessness.
Then it would be very reasonable for them to believe in the real Creator-God.
[14:11] Their Messengers said, ‘Are you in doubt concerning Allah, Maker of the heavens and the earth? He calls you that He may forgive you your sins, and grant you respite till an appointed term.’ They said, ‘You are but men like ourselves; you desire to turn us away from that which our fathers used to worship. Bring us, then, a clear proof.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=10
It matters not if you believe your god to be real, many others don't believe your god is real, that he is indeed imaginary.
Muhammad did not prove your god exists, all he ever did was claim he spoke to an angel. That is not proof of a god existing, it is just the word of one man.
Yes, we are in doubt. Please show us proof that your god exists.
"fling it onto the fridge"
Hadn't heard of that one before. I always use the ceiling.
If flung on the ceiling, it may fall into your hair. If flung on the fridge it falls to the floor where the dog then eats it.
Science, through the use of the "experiment" tool kit, produced that profound observation.
The use of the "logic" tool kit produces the hypothesis that the FSM may fall into your hair OR be eaten by the dog. This brings forth the question "Has God been eaten by the dog?".
Now we have ourselves a deep and meaningful religious discussion!
I will contemplate the meaning with help from the truth of god.
I am about to heat and eat his holiness as we speak.
I will soon be filled with the long hollow goodness of his noodliness.
May the FSM be with you Earnest! It will enter you and spread throughout. Or at least throughout your belly, and It will be good.
On a practical note, I find that his holiness is best served with a sauce, usually of tomato, but sometimes of other materials. A little flesh from other creatures adds and helps alleviate the inevitable blandness and simplicity of his holiness. Do enjoy yourself!
I can feel the fullness of the FSM within me. I did add spices and some of his many gifts to his holyness.
I am blessed!
I am happy for you! Go forth and spread the word! Tell the world of His Delicious Holiness!
Blessed be the FSM for his Gift of Full Bellyness!
Bless you wilderness! May his holiness bring forth loud and smelly farts of appreciation whenever you invite his holiness in to your inner self.
OOOOOOhhhhh! I can hardly stay in the same room as my appreciation!
His holiness loves garlic.
I think our old long gone labrador was highly religious.
Let me quote myself from an earlier discussion...
God is love/Satan is hate
God is the creator of all, therefore he created Satan and thus created hate.
If God is both love and hate, he is black and white, the Yin and the Yang.
God is the sum of its parts.
A positive and a negative cancels itself out,
Therefore, God does not exist.''
And here I thought the only loonies in the bin were those who believed in a god as per ordinary religion. Now I know you're all nuts.
Actually Earnest, you've claimed to be sane and rational.
That was before he ATE the FSM god. At that point insanity and odors took over the day.
Good to know. I'll remember to try to not have conversation with either You or Earnest, after you've eaten.
So, that means I cannot trust you when you tell me you are a liar or when you say anything with regards to yourself or your beliefs. (j/k)
Atheists- the People of Doubt,if they express their inability to prove that the Creator-God does not exist; it is their own helplessness; the best option for them is to start believing in Him and come out of their frustration.
What a joke. It's a real shame you cannot see beyond yourself long enough to see the nonsense in your own statements.
It is only an option if you show us your proof.
All religions/creators are idiotic, contradictory, irrational and BS. If you desperately want to believe in nonsense, probably your EQ has some digits less.
Also why not you believe in Creator Zeus, creator Brahma, Creator Viracocha, creator Atum, why only in Allah or YHWH?
"One believes in the Creator-God very naturally; no need for any argument necessarily. "
When you made these idiotic observation didn't you know that, if left to grow up without any religion, no humans worship any creator?
The Atheists- People of Doubt have always the word "BS" in their mouths; if they would have some reason with them, they would given the reason.
As the person making the claims your are supposed to give rational explanations, not me. So far you have said only nonsense and quoted only from two of the most contradictory, inconsistent and violent books!
Lunacy has doubts, Sanity has certainty
"Other way around.'
"Yes, and much better"
How can you twist that?
Good luck with that.
Megalomania can be a very hard thing for religionists to shake.
I will agree with this, even as some people are disagreeing with it. However, I am sure you and I are not on the same page about it, simply due to your lack of knowledge.
Lunacy does indeed have doubts, but a lunatic will fill anything and everything with irrational based rantings.
Sanity has certainty, because one who is sane has rational based knowledge and wisdom discerned truth, to back up it's rantings.
Claiming there is a god is an irrational lunatics rantings, based on irrational beliefs.
Understanding no god exists is a rational ranting, based on knowledge and wisdom discerned truth, not beliefs.
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