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   Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years ago

   How many people feel that natural disasters are a direct correlation to whether or not the United States is behind Israel?

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If you are suggesting that Israels enemies find us supporting Israel so they come over here and cause hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes I would find that more than a little doubtful.  I really don't think the Arab world has that capability.

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         Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Nor cdo I.

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      DoubleScorpionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Israel didn't become a country until 1949? (I think it was). How do we explain all of the earthquakes, Hurricanes, and tornadoes prior to this timeframe? And, as far as the hebrew people go...Well God added the gentiles to the chosen people so do we support all gentiles as well in order to avoid God's wrath? (Gentiles include the atheists, gays, and other "sinners" out there). Are we fighting to back and support them as well?

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         Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I never said the wrath came from God.

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            DoubleScorpionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't say that you did say that.

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         Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yes the gentiles, thanks to Jesus have been grafted into the original vine.  We are all seen as Jesus in God's eyes as we are covered with his blood.  I do not believe the relationship with the Israelies is the same as the relationship christians have.  The Jews have the same opportunity to give their heart over to Jesus Christ if they so choose.

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            Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Why would they consider it? I mean seriously. You think we're punished for not supporting Israel. Sounds to me as if the Jews are more important to God. Maybe you should convert to Judaism.

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               Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               The Word is very plain about those who bless and support God's chosen ones will be blessed.  I do not believe God is punishing us.  I am a Christian and therfore converting to Judaism would not be appropriate as they deny the deity of Jesus.
               I think you may have missed my point.

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                  Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  You don't want to be one of God's chosen ones?

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                     Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     By the blood of Jesus I am his son.  What could be better than that!

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            DoubleScorpionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            God transferring his covenant to the Gentiles appears in the OT, long before Jesus ever came around.

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               Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I disagree.  The covenant was fulfilled through Jesus' death.

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                  DoubleScorpionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Genesis 18:18
                  Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. (All nations include the Gentiles)
                  
                  Psalms 86:9
                  All the nations you have made will come and worship before you, O Lord; they will bring glory to your name. (Gentiles included once again)
                  
                  Looks to me like the Gentiles were included in the original Covenant made with Abraham...But who knows...I only hold a PHD in Biblical Studies...what do I know....

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                     Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     This comment was speaking about the fact that through this man, Abraham there would come a seed and that seed's name would be Jesus and through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross and our belieiving in Him we are freed from the curse and are blessed.  The law brought curse when it was not followed to the lette which was impossible to do.  The blood of Jesus brought a fulfillment of the law.
                     I am glad you have a PHD in Biblical Studies that says a lot about you.  I have a personal relationship with Jesus and I read the Word and study it and God gives me wisdom through the Word and the Holy Spirit so I am not concerned with having a PHD in Biblical Studies however I love to study and would love to be able to continue my education so I admire that you put personal sacrifice in order to gain this degree.  That is wonderful...I mean that!!

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                        DoubleScorpionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        And as I said before...The covenant with the Gentiles was mentioned in the OT long before Jesus came along... Also the New Covenant that Jesus spoke about was directed to his disciples, not to the Gentiles...The Gentiles falling under Jesus's new covenant came from Paul's teaching...And guess where he got that info from...The Old Testemant...(Seeing as the stories of Jesus hadn't even been written yet. And Paul never even met the man).
                        
                        Everyone seems to disregard anything that doesn't agree with their point of view...Difference of opinions are just that...opinions that differ...I was pointing out what is taught in schools, not my opinion or personal beliefs. Education is a great thing and when mixed with an understanding from God, it works even better. I am not saying that personal study is wrong or incorrect, But if one learns of the text itself, where it came from, how it came about, it allows for a much better base for God to guide personal understanding.

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                           Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I thought Paul taught mostly to the Jews and focused on converting them to Christianity.  Peter began teaching the Word to the Gentiles after having the dream.
                           I can see where education could help bring light to your study of the Word.  I appreciate your comment and response to mine.  Thanks!

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                              brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Paul was sent by God to preach to the gentiles, peter was told that the gentiles were clean now. Gods move was to the gentiles as the scripture prophesied. Paul spent quite a bit of time reasoning with the jews that jesus was the christ and about resurrection, but that was not pauls calling. Peter hung out with the jews but had a few gentile encounters.

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                              Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              I see Paul also taught to the Gentiles so I stand corrected. I had to refer back to the Word as my memory wasn't remembering.

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         brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         1948

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            DoubleScorpionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You are correct. May of 1948. Thanks.

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      awareposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      we give Palestine 490 million a year also you know?
      ray

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         Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Actually I was not aware of that. I appreciate your info.

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      In the same way I feel there is a direct correlation to whether or not mothers milk leads to heroin.
      
      
      
      Yes, that would adequately and intelligently explain all of the natural disasters occurring worldwide for the past 4 billion years.
      
      Well said!

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         Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Nice sarcastic comeback.  I appreciate your thoughts just the same.

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            brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            of course if there is heroine in the mother it would be in her milk.

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      MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I wonder if you realize quite how offensive it would be to someone who lost a loved one or their livelihood for you to imply it was God punishing them for a political decision. 
      
      Your insensitivity to loss of life and human suffering is appalling.
      
      Furthermore, it might possibly be the most ridiculous association ever to say that a storm that occurred during hurricane season (season meaning it happens yearly) was somehow the result of an angry God.
      
      What did we do to Israel during hurricane Andrew or Hurricane Katrina?  Oh is hurricane season the equivalent of a woman cycle?  Once a year does God get really moody for a couple months?

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         Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         If you read the forum in it's entirety you would see that I have said over again that I am not claiming God for this natural disaster. I believe all evilness like these disasters happen because if Satan. God is not evil and would never kill innocent people. I resent that you feel I am insensitive as I have family that live there and went through this. I love mankind and want only the best for them all. I have heard some who believe the thing that I suggested and simply wanted others thoughts on it.
         Didn't expect to be personally attacked for asking a thought provoking question. I apologize if you find me offensive.

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            A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            LOL! Now it's Satan who is to blame for natural disasters. Quick, move the goalposts before someone notices!
            
            Stunningly appalling, but funny.

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               Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               It's just a belief of mine and no not a strategic move of mine to be correct. I have no problem admitting when I am proved wrong! On the contrary I love debate!

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   Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years ago

   In past history every time the United States came against the support of Israel something really bad has happened here on our soil.  Is it just a coincidence or is there a direct correlation?  The Bible says we are to pray for and protect Israel.  Just suppose if we were to speak against the support of Israel or turn our backs on Israel do we lose our protection that is promised by God in the Word?  That is where I am going with this.

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      Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well, for sure. If we don't back Israel completely I've heard the monster in the Bermuda Triangle will come and swallow our nation whole. Its slow digestive system will make us all suffer for eternity.
      
      But, I've also heard that if we aren't compassionate to Palestine that the Lord Almighty will send a plague of locusts.
      
      I'm confused on what to think now. They seem contradictory. What do you think?

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         Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yes I believe your comments do contradict themselves. I know you meant your response to be of humor but my question is quite serious.

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            Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            My comment was about as serious as your question. Unless you'd like to provide some evidence to back up your claim?

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   Uninvited Writerposted 11 years ago

   Natural disasters are ... natural...

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   HattieMattieMaeposted 11 years ago

   Well if you believe in Karma, maybe!

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   mikelongposted 11 years ago

   Hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, wildfires, floods, droughts...
   
   They all preexisted Christianity....Israel...the United States....
   
   It's troubling that people try to tie these things to some book...

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   jblais1122@aolposted 11 years ago

   I don't mean to be offended, but I am.  I am not Jewish, I am not the best of Catholics running around, but I feel that the question is offensive.  Natural disasters are just that, natural.  A hurricane is natures temperature regulator and is nothing but a gigantic heat engine that transports warm temperatures from the tropics to the mid latitudes.  An earth quake is the earth's stress relief.  Our planet and it's atmosphere is dynamic, elastic, and active.  The fact that humans often build in the wrong places is how "natural disasters" occur, not because of their politics, religion, or simple point of view.  The idea that nature will smite you because of those reasons is egotistical in the extreme.  Nature does not care.  All natural disasters are the result of the earth or it's atmosphere attempting to gain equilibrium.  If we are in the way, we are just in the way.

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      Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Wow I love your comment. I am truly sorry if a question and it was a question bot a statement has offended you. Honestly I have heard these things said by others and I just wanted to hear others thoughts on the matter and I guess I got them. What I didn't expect is that people would personally attack me in the process. I appreciate the fact that you did not personally attck me as others have on this forum.

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         A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You said that natural disasters are the evils of Satan. The fact that others are highly offended at your remark should give you some idea why you feel like you're being attacked. Do you actually believe such a display of a stunning denial of reality is going to get you brownie points?

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            Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Obviously you don't know me at all if you think my purpose here is to gain brownie points.  sorry.  It is the least of my concern.  I am quite interested at the reactions to this question.  I am also surprised at how some respond to others right to have an opinion.  We all have the right to believe what we believe and I am not calling anyone who has responded on this forum " insensitive " as I have been called. None the less it is their right to call it like they see it.  I don't have to like it.  Obviously my reality isn't the same as your reality which doesn't make it wrong or right.  I respect your right to how you what you believe.

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               A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, I can see you have created a different reality from the one we both share. I happen to find the reality you've created hilariously funny while others have noted it to be "insensitive". And, just like you have the right to believe in the reality you created, I have the right to laugh hysterically at it and they have the right to call it "insensitive".
               
               So, you shouldn't be surprised from the reactions about your opinions on the reality you've created, and your right to create it.

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         Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Where is the personal attack?

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            Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I am not referring to your comment uninvited writer.

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               Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I didn't notice any from anyone else

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                  Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Calling a person insensitive is not a personal attack?  Do they know enough about me to say I am insensitive?  If they say that about me they are far from the truth as I am very sensitive to others feelings.  I may not be aware that something I say is offensive but I am quick to apologize for offending others.  It's not a big deal really but just was making a point somewhere along the way.  Thank you for your responses once again Uninvited Writer.

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                     MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Your comment was insensitive.  I don't have to know your life's story to know that something you said was insensitive.  And trust me, I have made personal attacks before, if I was personally attacking you, there would be absolutely no doubt in anybody's mind.
                     
                     People lost their LIVES in the storm.  For you to even vaguely suggest it was some supernatural entity that was giving us payback for some political decisions WAS insensitive.  As insensitive as the bible-thumpers that picket funerals. Loss of life should never be looked at with a holier-than-thou-I-told-you-so air....  And the families of victims of natural disasters should never have to even entertain the idea that it was some kind of divine payback or the work of some demonic fallen angel.
                     
                     If you don't like your statements to be called insensitive, don't say insensitive things.

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                        Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        First off I never made a comment... I believe I asked a question.  I really wanted the answer to this question.  Many people like yourself took it and ran with it as though this was my belief. You keep bringing up the fact that people lost their lives in this hurricane, yes that is true and has nothing to do with the question I posted.  I had no more control over the weather than you or anybody else.  You obvioulsy missed the whole point to my question.  I have quite a bit of family that live on the east coast and I was praying for their lives just like the rest.  My question was not insensitive.  It obviously offended you and for that I apologize.  My intention was not to offend but to get deep thought out answers from others.  I did get some answers from a few and I am grateful for that.  I didn't feel I really got any solid answers though. I feel I received more sarcasm than anything else.
                        Please don't ever put me in the same catagory as the ones who picket the funerals of fallen soldiers for at that point you will have gone too far. 
                        I asked a question a simple thought provoking question, I did not make a comment as you acuse. I never inferred anything.  You did that along with many others.  I would have really appreciate you thoughtful answer to a very serious question.  When a person wants to know what others believe is the truth they ask.  That is all I did.

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                     Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     An example of a real personal attack is your cemment to Emile R on the Obama's Carbon footprint thread in the politics forum.

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                        Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes that was you are correct.

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                           Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I consider Pintoman a friend and I didn't appreciate the way she attacked him on his forum.

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                              Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Even though he is more than capable of speaking for himself.

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                        Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        You see the only difference between what I did on the polital forum than what many have done on here is I called her out rather than saying you people or some people when they really meant me. Why not just say the name of who you really are addressing isn't that more honest than placing a whole group of people together in one category. For instance Bible thumpers or funeral picketers.

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                  Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Maybe you see only what you want to see perhaps?

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   earnestshubposted 11 years ago

   I must agree with you Melissa, it was very insensitive.
   
   People have no need of religious blame on top of their losses, and it is extremely insensitive to suggest blame.
   
   Someone's mum, someone's dad, brother, sister being blamed for their own personal losses caused by natural disasters  is outrageously insensitive!

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      Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Wow now that's a misguided interpretation of my question! Slow down there I feel linch mob coming! Haha

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   MelissaBarrettposted 11 years ago

   Okay, if I asked "Do you think Christians have such a high divorce rate because they are so insufferable that they can't even stand each other?" Would that be a thoughtful question or do you think that maybe someone would get offended by it?  People couch horribly offensive opinions in the form of questions all the time.  The fact is they had to think it was possible for the question to even have formed.  The fact that they phrase it in the form of a question just means they know the answer is probably offensive and are looking for other people to agree so they feel better about their own answer.  Loaded questions and instigating questions are both well known forms of trolling.  Arguing a point for the sake of arguing is fine at times, but lets not do it over corpses.

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      Naomi's Bannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Wow so now you're a mind reader too go figure. I'm glad you are so holier than thou that you feel you have the right to judge me... Not.  As fR as the Christians divorce rate that would be a good question if you really wanted the answer to it and it certainly doesn't offend me as that's not an issue for me.

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