I believe the Bible was written by men inspired by a God who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Why is it so hard for people to see the scripture as applicable for now? Especially those scripture that clearly state it is a future event. Some pick events that have already occurred and never get past that event or even suspect what is written includes several events throughout history. Since I believe in the super intelligence of God I see a passage as describing several events. What are your ideas?
Scripture that deals with human problems is applicable to now in that human problems don't change. But as for the book being inspired by god, I would rather say it was inspired by a belief in a god. Writers are inspired by their subjects but it doesn't mean the subjects write the books. You can be inspired by the idea of super hero rather than a real super hero. See what I mean?
So the first part of this book, the OT, was only written down in 400 BCE and finalized in 90 AD. Most of the characters like Moses probably never existed or existed as lesser figures than is assumed by the religious.
The Jewish religion was created around 900 to 1000 BCE by the priest of the tribe of Judah under king David and king Solomon. This caused a lot of problems between the twelve tribes and even led to war between them as they were not just fighting about the United Monarchy but about the religion as well.
Why are they called Jews? Because they came from the tribe of Judah, not the full twelve tribes of Israel. The reason Judah won out was because the ten tribes living to the north of Judea were carted away by the Assyrians, probably many murdered, many other deported to other places and dispersed.
The two tribes left were the tribe of Benjamin and the ruling tribe of Judah. Before this time Moses was not part of the culture. Historians now believe that the exodus happened not in one event but in many, and that if Moses existed he was perhaps leader of one of those events. But the fact that he ever lived at all is in question.
When Judah was taken over by Babylon the Jews eventually compiled their bible. They did take things that were already written as well as writing down stories that had been word of mouth.
There are several organizations of priests thought to be responsible for many of the stories. Some writers were obviously not from the tribe of Judah. Samuel is a strange book because it contains both pro and con views of the United Monarchy, so had to be compiled from several sources.
Then comes the Q. The first people to write about Jesus. At the time some Jews followed John the Baptist. Others followed Jesus. Funny that Q manuscripts do not mention the death of Jesus. That and the virgin birth magically start appearing in the late first and early second centuries.
In 175 CE Ignatius has to write a letter to all the churches insisting that it is true that Jesus was born of a virgin. Obviously not everyone believed it.
The church at this time is fragmented. Paul had been preaching things that the others who were really there didn't like. Paul tells them they are wrong because he has the last word through his contact with a dead Jesus.
Rome takes Paul's side and when it takes over the religion it makes Jesus part of a trinity. Rome did that sort of thing all the time. There were lots of trinities in the Roman pantheons. Rome sheds first Christian against Christian blood when it starts naming heretical churches.
I have written several hubs about this. There is more of politics than of religion in the bible. It isn't even an accurate historical account of anything. It is, however, not a bad insight in to the minds of these primitive people.
A.S.K., Agreed. The bible is about the past, present, and future. To answer your question, some don't realize the bible is spiritual. We can't understand spiritual things through logic. It just don't mix. Logic is good when used where it is required. Interesting thread topic. God bless you!
I'm not sure I understand your question. There have been thousands if not millions of fortune tellers throughout history that have predicted the future. The only predictions to come true are those that are written in such vague terms about common happenings that it is inevitable that something will happen that will "fulfill" the prediction. The bible is no different.
If you refer to the fact that most people don't accept the bible as absolute fact, it might have something to do with the fact that while you believe the things you mentioned (omniscient, omnipotent, etc.) others realize that such a belief gives rise to such contradictions as to make the whole thing unbelievable. We don't share the same beliefs and thus make different interpretations.
History gives us something to compare the Bible with (I include present time as history as well, as once something happens it is in the past). The future does not. And as humans, we can interpret or apply certain things to match things, people's actions or events, as it suits our needs and each person will view it differently.
I do agree with what you have written. I guess what I am trying to understand is why is it the first thing that happens in history is always the right view and the only one. Is it wrong to think that God being outside of time could use the same words and similar events to commuicate to His creation - not just in one moment of time but throughout history?
That's a false assumption. Nothing can exist outside of time.
Circumstances have changed. Society has changed. Technology and Knowledge has changed. Nostradamus made many predictions, there are many believers of his works that mold his predicts to fit modern happenings as well. Vagueness in apocalyptic writings are open to many types of interpretations. If we believe that God inspired "men" to write the Bible and it's predictions carry to modern times and even into the future, why is it that we discount others who make that same claim today? Why do we no longer really believe that there are those who are divinely inspired in todays time? There are those who make claims of being divinely inspire of one thing or another, and they are quickly discounted by their peers, long before they are ever proven wrong by expiration of time on their predictions.
Outside of time? I am not sure that is possible. Time is (simply put) nothing more than a measurement of movement/growth/aging. And all things, no matter what it is, has movement and an aging process.
No it is not an assumption, it is faith. He was at the beginning. He already has seen the end. He has in more than one instance let Himself be known. He can and will step in at anytime He chooses. You say I am assuming this but let me ask you this: How would you know if He stepped in and changed something previous to our lives? The change would be unnoticable to us.
Isn't there a time difference for astronauts the further away from the field of gravity that they get? Time is relative. A being that can move in and out of space can be outside of time.
Faith, especially mystical/spiritual, is nothing more than assumption.
Yes many things do change but do you not think a being who knows everything at all stages could code in the words events in several historical moments. By the way there are word clues throughout the Bible to interpret. The Bible warns about private interpretation. I use common phrases listed througout the bible along with Hebrew and Greek translations. The point is there are many tools to use. Proverbs 8:12 I wisdom dwel with prudence, and find knowledge of witty inventions. I believe the computer is one of the "witty inventions" but certainly not the only one.
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