Religious or not..no one knows what death is. How many possibilities can death bring?
Almost got reincarnated as a sand crab on a huge surfing wave
Would like to be a dolphin, won't know until I get there
Why does there have to be anything after water evaporates? Why is there something after rock is pulverized? Nothing disappears from the physical world. It simply changes form. Why would other levels of existence not work within the same parameters as what we know on the physical level? We don't know enough to make educated guesses yet. I believe we are making headway on answering that.
The soul energy or spiritual make me very curious, where dose the spirit move one and why dose it leave an empty vessel of matter, for plant food i assume. Everything is constantly living and dying within our bodies and similar out in the Galaxies and Universe.
Why can't our energy just transform into something else?
There is no evidence for a soul or a spirit so any talk about that would be speculation based on a hypothesis and that doesnt get anyone anywhere.
As for our energy transforming into something else, every living being actually uses energy, it doesnt create it. The only energy our body will have left once it dies, is stored energy in our mass, which other lifeforms will utilise by eating it.
Life actually speeds up the process of entropy within the universe.
Your smart in some areas, yet not in area of spiritual understanding. Spiritual is simply the unknowns until it's manifest into our ego self, Yes spirituality is very useful I’ve accomplish to be world class in a few area in my lifetime.
Religion is an ancient spirituality, yet Religion has led the world history with experience and revelation
Either you can demonstrate that spirits and souls exist and I will shut up, or you can shut up yourself with your condescending know it all attitude.
Why would anyone need to shut up, we are both learning things on HP and my posts to you, are not the size of hubs, like some jerks. I'm No better or worst then anybody, so , no condescending here regardless of my accomplishment. I would not need belong to a group and fight and ague to a point of protecting my one sided views, rather than flowing by ethics, and open ended conversations.
The the reason I said you lack spiritual understanding is base on what you said ; no evidence for a soul or a spirit and it do get anyone anywhere. I could not demonstrate anything to you if you lack the desire and attitude to seek and learn. I only can demonstrated how Spiritual works for me or take the time out to coach others. Spiritual and soul is as important in the as is our relationships, our physical, our intellect the financial balance of life
I'm in agreement. It seems to me that the patterns we see within nature on the physical level would have to be something of a mirror image of the spiritual level. Moving, changing, circulating. Nothing disappears completely. Whatever force it is that animates matter must continue to exist in some form once it ceases to function in harmony with our senses.
Also agree with many opinions presented re re-incarnation. Myself born in a very happy, contented religous home and I believe this also agrees with most religious people across our earth. Trying to make sense of people not so lucky in birth & childhood it might be my wishful thinking on my own part - everybody getting a fair chance through at least several/many chances of re-incarnation. What would other possibilities be? Have a GREAT 2012 all!
Really? You're comparing water evaporation to humans death.
And now you're comparing a rock to human death.
You would be correct.
Really? Isn't this already known. And you bring it up why exactly?
Because on the physical level we know what happens to our physical form after death.
No, not exactly. What I am pointing out is that there is a cyclical nature to things within the environment. I would think you might have understood that point.
Again, this is not a difficult point to follow. This is to point out that things may change form, but they remain in some form.
I knew that already, but thanks for weighing in, just the same.
Are you being purposely obtuse this morming? I think, if you stop to think you will see that the reason I stated it is obvious.
Yes, we do understand the physical world to some degree and we have a pretty good handle on what happens to our physical form after death. You bring this up.....why? Exactly? I don't think my comments implied that we don't understand decomposition.
And for some odd reason you seem to think it applies to everything human?
Yes, the human body does transform to dust/ash/dirt or whatever. Which would mean there's nothing after death. Unless you're attempting to imply that "consciousness" is transformed, which would be untrue according to what is already known. At brain death, consciousness ceases. It does not elevate to a new level or transform into something else. It is derived from the brain itself and it's function. When that function stops so does consciousness.
You mean nonsense would make sense? I think not.
That is not what I said. I would explain, but you appear to simply want to argue today.
Read your two sentences cagsil. First you say that the body is transformed, then you say there is nothing left after death. I need to know which one you are arguing for before I can respond.
Yes, I know this. As you said, 'what is already known'. I hope you aren't attempting to imply everything is known concerning consciouness.
By what is known.
Again, by what is known thus far.
Nope. I don't think nonsense makes sense either. If you aren't up for idle speculation, you could have just said so. You didn't have to beat around the bush so long.
Argue? Do you see that everyone wants to argue with you when they disagree with you.
It's not a matter of that and you know.....now look who is trying to be argumentative?
You know exactly what dirt/ash/dust means in the physical world. It means life is over with unless you're implying otherwise, which it appears you are.
We know enough about it and can even measure it. It's your implication that it transforms like everything else you're attempting to apply to humans.
No. The cause of consciousness is known and it's known when it ends. Which you are implying it doesn't.
As to the body to ashes comments. That is exactly my point. Everything that once made up the body continues to be a part of the universe. Simply in a different form. You see it as an end to the body and you are right, but it isn't an end to each and everything that was bound together to make that body.
I really don't want to be at odds. I know you see death as the end. It is possible that you are right, but it is possible that you are wrong. I enjoy imagining how it could work if it is possible.
You seeing a possibility that doesn't make any sense, with all that I just said.
I know, that's the thing...it's just imagination based on wishful thinking. Which leads me back to me original question-
Why must there be something after death?
Hilarious question, Cags!
Why does there have to be a universe outside of HubPages? But there is! So?
Another attempting at mocking I see. How wonderful of you to show the entire community your level of ego and character. Hopefully, I won't have to point it out again.
Maybe because Life is and death will be. It's hard to imagine death, so maybe death is not death at all. There has always been "something" existing before and after life right? Life duplicates over and over, it never stops..soo Why couldn't there be something after death? @ cagsil
Yes, death will be eventually.
Then educate yourself and expand your mind, then maybe death wouldn't be so hard to imagine.
I have no problem with grasping the existence of the Universe without myself or anyone else in it. So why do you?
What is the "something" you're referring to?
Are you listening to mystics who are telling you life duplicates over and over, and it never stops? I guess that would be why you would think that there's something after death. Yet, you cannot imagine death itself? How ironic is that?
But, you've not answered my question- why does there have to be anything after death?
Like I said above, if you're listening to mystics, that would be a shame. Mysticism is a person being intellectually dishonest with themselves. Therefore, if you're not going to be honest with yourself, how can I expect you to be honest with me, when we interact? I guess, I cannot. That too is a shame.
Cags sounds almost nihilistic.
Cags has asked a dumb question. "Why does there have to be anything after death?"
Why does there have to be anything after pepperoni pizza? But there is! So?
Just because you can't remember, Cags, doesn't make you an expert. There have been many people who could remember prior lives.
Like one little boy in India who was distraught at age 5 because he had not told his wife before he had died where he had buried the family fortune. When he finally rectified the situation, he could concentrate on his new life.
Or like the girl who remembered the house she used to live in, could describe all of its contents, the tree that used to be there, the pet names she had had for her former brothers, and much more.
Or like the little boy who remembered his death near Iwo Jima as a WWII pilot. He even recognized and called by name one of his old buddies when the little boy was reunited with his old gang a few years ago.
More details on two of these examples at http://www.the-love-of-god.com/reincarn … tories.php
Ignorance must be blissful and by your statement, then I must be one the happiest people on the planet since apparently I cannot remember.
Go play with someone you can spout off your "spiritual" understanding. Like my statement to poeticmentor....if you're not going to be honest with yourself, then you're obviously not going to be honest with me.
Therefore, anything you have to say is useless and contains no meaning. And, you can also take your "next" thought that runs through your head, which will be to respond that I have to get over my "ego".
From many of your posts....it's YOU who has the ego problem. I just answer questions given to me with the best answer I can.
The best answer can give, should be given with less aggression. By this I am saying, Aggression begets aggression. I will be as calm as possible, until it is time to appropriately aggressive.
What I am ultimately saying is, try to be less aggressive with your answers and people will be kinder in accepting your view.
When you learn to be honest with yourself, then I'll be glad to engage you in conversation, but until then, this is my last post to you.
I cannot be judging you without pointing out my own mistakes. I must admit that I have been unfairly aggressive with you. For that I apologise, and I do not see how we could not get along. I find your views just as important as any other.
That was just an attempt to be human with you and to find some middle ground, in which we can speak to one another.
You weren't alive before you were born and you wont be alive after you die.
Wow! THE universal expert has spoken. I'm so relieved.
Just because you can't remember doesn't mean other people can't. You probably think you are that Homo sapiens body you're wearing. Alas! It won't last very long. Perhaps it's just as well. Maybe you'll be more interested in waking up... next lifetime.
Everything, even a rock is impermanent. It is in seeking the mastery of the one mind that one will Know The self. If one does not remember, it is because one does not want to. They want to believe that it lasts forever, even though they have seen and know suffering and death.
Oh well, if you think I am an expert then thank you but trust me, I'm not.
Although I have enough education to know that stories of reincarnation are bunk.
But, you've not answered my question- why does there have to be anything after death?
"Like I said above, if you're listening to mystics, that would be a shame. Mysticism is a person being intellectually dishonest with themselves. Therefore, if you're not going to be honest with yourself, how can I expect you to be honest with me, when we interact? I guess, I cannot. That too is a shame."
First You haven't answered the question??? either you answered with a question sir. or you throw insult..so typical of insecure people.. so why should I answer? you have all the answers already. If mystics, as you say, being dishonest blah blah..your cute. yet everyone has questioned death and what it serves..not even you all knowing Cagsil would know this answer. If you don't have a problem imagining yourself removed from the universe than please share, It's a shame you attempt to reverse the question so that you avoid answering it. but nice try. Blessings..
@janesix, I agree, yet it is a gift and sometimes a curse just to be human beings, gratitude is always important. Death must be significant if life is this demanding. We can only take our souls, so be great while you live and leave a mark,you never know you may come back a caterpillar and we all know what happens to those when they die! 1
Yeah, a person can be an honest mystic, yet there is some bad apples
Typical of insecure people? What a joke.
And, the above statement that asked if you were listening to mystics, then it would be dishonest. If you unable to reach the conclusion that your "myth" question came from "mysticism", then go learn.
Actually, you don't. I don't expect an honest answer, as I stated.
I have quite a few answers, as someone else already learned, but I don't claim to have ALL the answers and you attempting to make the claim that I make the claim of having all the answers is BS.
What's a "Savor tooth"?
I'm not sure about reincarnation. I do wonder, however, about people who can speak a foreign language fluently under deep hypnosis, even though they've never even been exposed to the language.
No, I don't. I'm not familiar with the term. Did he mean "Savior"?? I don't get it.
I meant Saber tooth. I apologize. I would still want to be a catepillar so that I may appreciate wings! Great answers evry one. @ emile I agree. @Cagsil please continue to pick our nrains so that you may choose your belief. It's ok. I enjoy it. @ jesushippie..LOL ok
All I can say is when I was dead for 75 mins... I was somewhere, and it wasn't in a new body.
And I doubt I would have went to a new one, either.
No, I think I was where we all will be, or many, or mast, hopefully.
If that were actually true Mason, then you would be the most famous person on the planet.
No I wouldn't.
There is a women in one of the scandanavian countries who was dead for hours, about 9 I believe, and she is fine today. There are many who haved survived extended time and been brought back. Of course I was already at the hosp when I coded and that was a great thing.
Medicine has advanced quite a bit, especially the use of Hypothermic Rescucatative Tharepies.
You should really go look into it.
I was brought into North Florinda in gainsville, I coded at 403 am, I under went extrmem measure, about 100 cardio version shocks over the time, massive amounts of hperin, Epi-nuerine? I believe it was, atrapine, etc... I had no heart rate, no brain activity, no respertory, nothing!... I was gone... DEAD!
Meanwhile I had almost continuous CPR and oxygen forced into me.... and on and on it went... and on and on....
There was one time when I believe I was back for a second... but then gone again... and the doctors said they did not get me back... so...
on and on and on... it went
At 524 am I was got back and stabilized barely enough to move.
After some time I was brought to the cath lab and unederwent removal of massive clots in my right ventricle... they had finally got me back and could take me oin to do something to help me.
So you can think what you want Cags.
I know what i went thru and I have a stack of med records to prove it.
Man you are something else.
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