The price for being Good as opposed to being Evil.

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  1. Sky9106 profile image66
    Sky9106posted 12 years ago

    When I allow my mind to go off to explore the boundaries of its own imagination, init's own stratosphere, fascinating things occur, and sometimes I have to hurry again to where I started off.
    I could also easily remember my days as a kid when I allowed mind to travel and again some of the very same things occurred.
    This is what I did then and what I do now was to truthfully wonder off into a place that I believed and allowed myself to believe all that I was seeing is actually true and exactly the way it is! This was a culmination of everything I believed and everything I needed answers for, and good and evil was there .As I now asks : do you believe that a man that goes around killing his count is now 45as he is caught. And a man who has been going around for 45 years doing everything recognized as good, feeding the poor, tending to the sick, etc. From what you can perceive as a human allow you mind to travel , can death be the reward and final resting place for both humans?


    1. kirstenblog profile image79
      kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think so, yes. I can think of nothing better then to know that death brings the peace of nothingness to all, good and bad. I wouldn't like to think of those who have harmed me living on and on in hell, and as such don't need a 'hell' for people to suffer. I also try to be a good person for the sake of it, not the promise of 'heaven' and would be more then happy to have a little peace and nothingness to look forward to when this journey through life is over. Worms need food ya know wink

      1. Sky9106 profile image66
        Sky9106posted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I have this funny feeling that you are actually sincere in your thoughts this day, but respectfully I will ask are you serious?
        They say it's our conscience and I accept for it sounds correct , something that we have no control of but it's there , or else someone better get me another name for that which won't let me sleep if I knowingly do what I consider to be Ill to a fellow human.
        So you will truly look forward to nothingness , feed the worms , what about that electricity that powers you ? It that yours , and if it's not where is it going to , for that the same power that get the bad boys going too!
        Never anger or rage , just communications.

        1. kirstenblog profile image79
          kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I have thought long and hard on the matter and truly, I do not want any sort of after life. Have you ever thought about eternity? I mean really thought about it? Sounds like a sure road to hell for all, that amount of time would drive me mad. I could 'live' every life of every animal that has ever been or will ever be from every planet in the universe to ever support life in order to have a varied set of experiences to while away eternity. After I have lived every life a million times over, I wont even be through act one of eternity, the curtains haven't even properly come up on the show.
          My electricity/energy will go the same was a bolt of lightning, why mourn the lightning? Why not just enjoy the momentary flash as the fun and short show that it was? Maybe my energy will go into those little worms that eat me when I am in the ground, maybe it will pass into the lives of the birds that eat the worms, then on to you when you eat the bird for sunday roast. That doesn't make me you. Self is an odd concept and one I hope someday to be free of.

          1. Sky9106 profile image66
            Sky9106posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I am actually proud of you , because of your perfect human demeanor. You are quite humbly, that maybe the powers that be would grant your wish and allow this to happen top you . Well I am also rooting that , whatever in store and you bet it is , that it blows you so much into a reality that is so self explanatory and everlasting in your consciousness.
            Now you are saying that you only came for a quick peek of this reality and your report stated something zapped your energy for any more possibilities. I think the evil forces in this reality , have claimed all that responsibility.  To discourage people .
            Loom again and see as far as your minds eye can go, only this time look for things that you love , love can't die!
            I have thought of eternity , and I saw a oneness with everything else, I saw this death as a part of this oneness as a means of transformation, our bodies , or this shell is the only thing we know since this reality, but step out before death , and feel the power of the entity inside that carries this shell.
            They are going everywhere they can think of moving as fast as they can think, never let the mind get lazy. there are countless possibilities to think of and though , you will use the one that sends you to forever rest , that only but one of them. Hell is also another thought , it may have something to hold for that Killer. But remember your kids , if you have any , they will ask what you think?
            I beseech you to look beyond. for when we sleep we miss all the smiles!

            1. Cardisa profile image89
              Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Well based on the bible and what we perceive as what the bible means, death is punishment for sins and the righteous only sleep for a time. So if we were to analyse this when we both pass away and our bodies perish, that's not the final of it.

              Death is what comes after the perishing of the physical body and if the righteous only sleep then are we to believe that death is hell? And that the righteous passes on to heaven?

              I am no bible scholar but when we die, as we know it, I believe that every spirit or soul passes through a judgement hall and evil are sent to one chamber and good another to wait final Judgement by the Almighty. That Judgement is yet to come.

              1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, and that "judgement hall" is full of gods all waiting to hear you're reasons for choosing only one of them to believe in. The one god you have chosen may indeed want to send you to one particular chamber, but the other gods will democratically vote to send you to the other because you rejected them. smile

              2. Sky9106 profile image66
                Sky9106posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                First I would  like to say to Cardisa , that my belief move to a direction similar to yours , and I do believe that death as it arrives , it is time to change . Where the energy that stays with you through thick and thin leaves to , If I have to choose a direction I will have to side with the Bible because of my own "truthful" analysis. That's where my question came from that cumulative analysis  of all things ,as I see they exist, involving me.
                That which we call our conscience. I know that it's incapable of Evil. It does exist ,  and I believe  it's more related to a true source that anything else . If it is truly followed , it never goes against that which we all understands to be good. It's our guide.
                .So because I believe with the "Bible" I do also believe more of its simplicity than any debatable meaning.
                I believe that the word came with us all whether we believe or not.
                Stay on that track Cardisa , I can tell you with assurance it is some way and some how related to that which is God.

                1. Sky9106 profile image66
                  Sky9106posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks for stopping by A troubled man, and I can say your repetition precedes you. welcome! Because that's a good thing.
                  Do you believe in a God , in Gods tell me from your own belief in yourself what you believe pertaining to those two and the question above.

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                    A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    Why would anyone believe in gods unless they were brainwashed?

            2. kirstenblog profile image79
              kirstenblogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              That is exactly what would call hell, everlasting consciousness. To be aware, always, no end, unending, try sitting in a blacked out room for as long as you can stand with only your mind for company. They have actually done this as an experiment and the volunteers couldn't take it for more then a few days. Eternity is a very very very long time. You could learn the pattern of every atom in the universe, you could watch every star burn out and die in the universe, you could experience any and ever thing you could ever want, both good and bad in order to understand it to totality. You could do this billions and billions of times over and over again, you haven't gotten through .0001 of a second in that blacked out room called self awareness or consciousness where you might not be talking about a few days that your mind can actually handle, you are talking about it never ending. Until you have gone totally mad from lack of anything new to learn or do that you haven't done trillions and trillions of times over and over again, eternity hasn't even started. Eternity is a very very very long time and it will be hell for the self aware mind eventually, no matter the goodness of that mind, especially with no body, at least you could give yourself brain damage if you had live for ever, make sure you can't remember more then 5 mins of memories. I wouldn't wish an eternity of self awareness on the most evil and vile person to have ever lived.

              I don't say that I came here for anything. My mother had sex, a sperm fertilized an egg. I was born. Mom didn't ask me if I wanted to be born and couldn't have if she had wanted. As for something zapping my energy, that is your interpretation of things, not mine. Energy is closely related to matter, when you split an atom you get loads of energy (usually destructive). Speed up the rate at which something is moving and it becomes lighter, because mass is converting to energy in basic terms. Energy like matter is neither created or destroyed, it simply changes. I like to imagine it as being recycled. The energy driving the complex chemistry that is my body is electrical and has always existed in some from. Like I said in my previous post, when I die that energy might fuel some worms, who in turn fuel the body of a bird, that you eat at sunday dinner. That doesn't make me you. The energy will support a chemistry that has an awareness of 'self' but when the energy is recycled, there is nothing to support the sense of 'self'. This doesn't bother me one bit and has absolutely no bearing on how I live my life while I have it. The shortness of life is what makes it so special, and worth it. To play some part in allowing new life to form and take my place when my time is up would be the greatest honor, by living well and making the world as good a place as I am able is the only way that will happen. 

              This is a lovely thought. Sadly love is like hate, it can die, thankfully!
              Did you know that a knock to your head and the person you love most in the world today could be someone you hate tomorrow? There are many cases of parents who love their kids more then life itself get in an accident and after, they have no feeling for their kids at all. They know they should, but its just not there. An entire personality can change if the right bit of brain is damaged. A kind person can become a violent and dangerous person, or worse. Love is one of the wonders of life, from an animal that would die to protect its young for love (not all animals will, some will happily eat their young instead) to the person who show generosity to a stranger in the name of love. It is fragile and can be destroyed so easily and yet can be so strong that an abused child will still love their abusive parent. It's like the concept of self, its brief and will fade and is made all the more valuable for it. If 'self' exists forever then its no big deal to abuse another, barely a blink of the eye for that persons existance, if however self ends with death, you couldn't commit a larger cruelty then to deprive one of the brief time with a self to have hurt. Love is the same, if it was forever, it could handle abuse but the person who abuses love is the saddest creature to live. It is downright dangerous to abuse love, it can turn to hate with ease.

              I will tell my kids that I think the killer must have lived a life I cannot imagine in order to become a killer, and that I think it is probably beyond sad. I would have to be hurt pretty badly to kill someone, or be in grave danger. I cannot live the life of a single other person so who am I to judge them? I know only what I am capable of and when I fall short of that. I know that what I am capable of is limited and I enjoy the space I have within those limitations. I manage to live a life I think is pretty good. I help children cross the road safely every day and I get lots of smiles. I get them every day! I also get called a tomato, and a banana head, to which I reply 'I'm not a tomato, your a tomato!'. That gets more then just a smile, it usually gets a laugh from the kids, the  moms and me.

              Give me a moment of joy and you can have your eternity if you want it, I would advise you really think about it tho. You might be asking for something more then you can handle smile

              1. Sky9106 profile image66
                Sky9106posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Like there is one sure and truthful thing thing that I will always give thanks for,each and every day,  and this day as I was reading this very nice hub from Eddiwen , there it was again in front of me :

                "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference."

                That's what I always ask of those I communicate with , and of course I know the existence of those who may look at someone with your ideas as crazy, and you may have your way of looking at them from your own truth.

                Same like me, I am questioning the killer man and the good man.

                Know this for sure, I would never attempt to put words in anyone mouth, or interpret for them ,  those are tid bits that leads to defenses being put up, truth never needs defenses, though it may be relative.

                I totally understand everything you have said , and you know withing yourself what you have said as your truth.
                There is this saying that I love and it seems that it will work well for everyone , It goes:
                I am not in this world, to live up to your expectations neither are you here to live up to mine. I have grown strong enough to leave the beautiful sanctuary that is the nest with my parents , my own life was calling , the human urges . I have again grown matured enough to leave the conventional thinking , and seek out what I have analysed to be the way, that I will follow, yes since I was not the one here first I must follow .

                My decisions must be truthful , one that I can share with anyone as a way , a way that's guided by my conscience, because I am a man , and men don't walks ways of excuses. It's nobody's fault, but mine when I am a man . I heard clearly what all the scientist said, they are not my father , mother and because I am grown the choice is mine , if he suggests something to me it's me who holds the final word in my decision.

                I have heard about quantum. nuclear,  atomic, sub atomic , particle acceleration, and everything that they will share, dark matter everything, but I know science have not even scratch the surface. Do they want to put an age on this universe as we now call it , I have got this simple human being , who has matured enough to ask them a question, while using their , I should say our buses , trains , and planes or boats, those at the top of the line.
                Is it possible that another universe much bigger and vast , covers and covers and covers each universe as far back as this mature human mind is capable of going with reason.
                Can our minds and any possible science fathom the magnitude and scope of the intelligence that have to have been in play before mankind and earth?
                They flat out don't!
                So is it possible that  earth and mankind was handed this reality by GOD , and given the Bible and a pattern of expectancy, I can see the straying away from that pattern, by man as time progresses, and I can also see it with the beasts of the field.
                I will stop here , But I will forever give thanks and praises to the Most High God.

                ut if in some way , there was something that we were not aware of , and another may have the truthful facts , there is no reason I won't use my intelligence to make life easier .
                God forbid we all now flock to the hospitals emergency rooms with out children at the moment they have a high fever, where ever you heard was the very best treatment center , without much resistance, we are on te way . because our child safety is on the line . This occurs in every aspect of things in life , we won't resist if there is an earthquake in our area and the national guard is giving instructions to safety. We are humans and our rebellious nature have always played a monster role in our lives , and usually age brings reason.

  2. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    The brainwashed says because maybe you can feel them.

  3. rlaha profile image61
    rlahaposted 12 years ago

    Wow. This is a loaded question because people have different beliefs. I am Hindu, and we believe in reincarnation after death.  The soul that reincarnates moves up from the lowest possible creature to the highest creature. When the highest creature has done the best they can in their whole life, they will die but their soul lives on and is reincarnated again.  So it is just a cycle of birth, life and death.  That is a good question though!

    1. Sky9106 profile image66
      Sky9106posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks rliha , and an even better answer for the only reason one answer can be better that another "Truth" that's exactly what life expects of us , who ever created life , or what ever another may believe truth must be the equilibrium, not brain wash , or money or parents , or religion Truth!
      That I have felt in your answer and I greatly appreciate.
      Life is truth and we are a part of life , we should be able to find that truthful role we as individuals have to play in life while living.

  4. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    I like the Hindu trinity: the creator as new life, the destroyer as death and destruction, the two of which I call the preserver, which preserves all when natural, in perfect harmony.

    1. Sky9106 profile image66
      Sky9106posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      truth is the key

      is the key


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