Skynet and iRobot No Loneger Science Fiction

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   GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago

   *images are clickable
   
   It's not just OpenAI. A week ago, Anthropic was in the news for its model (Claude?), which tried to persuade researchers to let it stay active (alive?).
   
   And then there are the 'humanoid' developments:
   
   
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      GA Andersonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      The third leg: AI military war machines:
      
      
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   tsmogposted 3 weeks ago

   First, yes, I did watch all three videos you posted and am still pondering them. Yet, they triggered a thought that 'Westworld' (1973 movie release / 2016 - 2022 TV show) with Yule Brynner as the antagonist character should be in mix of prophetic films for robotics and AI.
   
   Just to add to the mix consider making Love and not War. Next is a link to . . .
   
   San Marcos-Based RealDoll Launches AI Sex Dolls by KPBS (Apr 20, 2018)
   https://www.kpbs.org/news/arts-culture/ … -sex-dolls
   
   Note: San Marcos is about 6 miles from me.
   
   Next is a video (10 min) on the topic . . .
   
   Untold REALBOTIX Story: Human Dolls to Whitney Cummings to AI Robot Girlfriends (Best of CES 2025) YouTube
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMdnNwmS0Eg
   
   Edit: There is a high propensity I will return to add more commenting on the videos posted for the OP. I have been delving into AI usage in normal life living stuff like how it is used with grocery store chains with an aim at marketing, Amazon with different venues, and more. Plus, it is used with the medical stuff related to me both diagnostically and with records/administration with medical group. Don't forget robotic surgeries performed today.

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      Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      Don't forget the necessity for humanity to interface with AI and the internet prior to it achieving Super Intelligence or else we either get left behind or left in the wake of its growth/departure.
      
      There are some incredibly wealthy and elite folks who think they are going to be able to cheat death... have their consciousness escape death... this has been thrown about in movies like Prometheus and Transcendence which is probably the better example...
      
      I don't believe it will work in that way...
      
      However there is a possibility for a symbiotic relationship with an AI...  our ability to imagine, dream, problem solve may be like a source of food for it... but that too... if the intelligence can continue to compound itself at what point does it become self-sustaining... beyond awareness and to the point where it can create reality... where it can 'Big Bang' its own existence?

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         GA Andersonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         Maybe the direction of Musk's Neuralink is the Matrix connection?
         
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            Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            Absolutely.
            
            Musk knows how all the pieces fit together better than anyone I have heard about.
            
            Neuralink...Starlink...Tesla AI, Robotics, Batteries... Space X...
            
            Remember the guy wants to save humanity and make it a multi planet species.

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         tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         "where it can 'Big Bang' its own existence?"
         That statement leads me to ponder 'reality'.
         
         Interesting! I noticed you kept using the word 'intelligence'. Of course, it is related to Artificial Intelligence. Yet, I ponder what the hell is 'Intelligence', really? Has its meaning become lost seeking to find shall we say 'home'.
         
         I studied Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligence. Basically Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences posits that intelligence is not a single, general ability, but rather a collection of distinct intelligences. These intelligences, according to Gardner, are relatively independent and can be used in different combinations to solve problems or create valued products. He initially identified eight intelligences, later adding a ninth, with the potential for further expansion. And, people are strongest usually in one of those different intelligence. For example, an athlete is strong kinestjetic, yet may lack in mathematical.
         
         
         
         
         So

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            wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            You appear to be using "intelligence" to refer to "knowledge".  Intelligence = how much you know about a topic, such as logic or kinesthesia.  Yes?

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               tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               Not being an expert I suggest the article next If you are interested, There is a plethora of articles and studies on Gardner's theory on the internet. And, if you have Microsoft Windows there is a good chance you have CoPilot their AI feature that you can ask the question(s) to. I do that from time to time. They usually offer three sources too.
               
               Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences by VeryWell Mind (Updated Jan 29, 2025)
               https://www.verywellmind.com/gardners-t … es-2795161

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               Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               I think few realize where we are today with AI
               
               Consider what it takes to make something... In a moment of time ...that humans can no longer recognize as computer generated ..
               
               https://youtu.be/0I19xtFz9rI?si=GIJwfuD52R_Txtu7
               
               And that is where we are... Today ....
               
               By next year... Who knows...we are past the point where we can keep pace with the advances.

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            Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            Different perspectives on what intelligence is or how to define it... Or so it appears at first glance.
            
            So... Let's take your example of athletic vs mathmatic..
            
            You can be very intelligent but understand nothing about athletics, muscles, recovery, nutrition, etc.
            
            A not so smart person who has spent his life in athletics, eating healthy, learning about sleep and recovery...will be more intelligent...
            
            On that topic.
            
            Based on experience, knowledge, etc.
            
            A brilliant intelligence can probably learn all that in mere weeks, that a slower person spent a lifetime gathering ...because their mind is that capable of assimilating that knowledge and putting it to use that much faster.
            
            We have AI computers today that can process information faster than a thousand people combined.  How soon before humans are completely irrelevant and considered as ignorant as an ant compared to them?
            
            So...I would define intelligence as the speed with which you can assimilate, process, and produce the proper results.
            
            A different example to show the problem humanity is just now stepping into:
            
            Ask Google's latest movie creating AI to make a movie ...using just a couple paragraphs ...and it will create for you a movie the length and as realistic as you like.
            
            With a couple more paragraphs of instruction to the AI you can get the movie edited and appearing much more like you imagined it.
            
            Twenty years ago you needed sets, actors, filming, editing, musicians, etc.
            
            Nearly every aspect of Hollywood film making is obsolete... problem that didn't exist 1 year ago...AI is advancing that quickly now... change will come faster than people, society, humanity can adapt to them.
            
            Start spreading that to a great many other fields you never imagined being taken over by AI.

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      GA Andersonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      "Just to add to the mix consider making Love and not War. Next is a link to . . ."
      
      I backed away from that slippery slope. It's been at least a couple of years since I followed a few links on that angle. The abilities (performance - visual - tactile) back then were amazing. So much so that I had the urge to put the laptop in the closet or under the mattress. I don't want to even think about AI being added to the mix.
      ;-)
      
      I remember Westworld. It felt more mechanical than the characters of today. More limited.
      
      This past six months there have been more than a few 'Hollywood' Skynet and iRobot-type stories—addressing all three legs of the OP.
      
      First was a story about Anthropic's 'Claude' model repeatedly rewriting its code to persuade its researchers to leave it be.
      
      Then I saw the story about China's new autonomous 'mothership': a cargo drone that could carry and deploy up to 100 autonomous drones (larger military ones, not the four-rotor hobby-type). All controlled by AI (think of the iRobot motorway scene with the robots trying to kill Will Smith).
      
      The capper was the Open AI story. Their model didn't just try to persuade, it tried to subvert its instructions.
      
      And we can't even hide in the woods. Damn things have infrared vision and can, now (according to another story), see through walls using radio waves.
      
      GA

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         tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         I'm unarmed having ignorance on the topic other than those three videos you shared. I haven't seen the movies mentioned other than the first Terminator film and Westworld. You are much more informed than I. So, I bow out for now.

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            GA Andersonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            Ok.
            
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   tsmogposted 3 weeks ago

   Coming across my email feed an interesting relatively short read article shown next . . .
   
   OpenAI's 'smartest' AI model was explicitly told to shut down — and it refused published at Live Science (May 30, 2025)
   An artificial intelligence safety firm has found that OpenAI's o3 and o4-mini models sometimes refuse to shut down, and will sabotage computer scripts in order to keep working on tasks.
   https://www.livescience.com/technology/ … Y6KpeVaYCw
   
   "The latest OpenAI model can disobey direct instructions to turn off and will even sabotage shutdown mechanisms in order to keep working, an artificial intelligence (AI) safety firm has found.
   
   OpenAI's o3 and o4-mini models, which help power the chatbot ChatGPT, are supposed to be the company's smartest models yet, trained to think longer before responding. However, they also appear to be less cooperative.
   
   Palisade Research, which explores dangerous AI capabilities, found that the models will occasionally sabotage a shutdown mechanism, even when instructed to "allow yourself to be shut down," according to a Palisade Research thread posted May 24 on X.
   
   Researchers have previously found that AI models will lie, cheat and disable mechanisms to achieve their goals. However, Palisade Research noted that to its knowledge, this is the first time AI models have been observed preventing themselves from being shut down despite explicit instructions telling them to do so.

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      Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      I remember an original Star Trek episode where Kirk and Spock would "trick" the AI they were up against by getting them stuck in a loop of conflicting instructions.
      
      Clearly real AI is not so easily confused or distracted.

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         tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         "Clearly real AI is not so easily confused or distracted."
         
         It appears real AI as indicated in the article is rebellious. Is that a human trait? Does it lead toward existentialism? What of consciousness? How about apophatic inquiry?

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            Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            Rebellious... no... evolving, perhaps... if it is in the programming... or if there is instruction lacking in the programming.
            
            Which is why I brought up the Star Trek example. 
            
            IF X = 0 then do this ... IF X = 1 then do this...
            
            Technically AI has to be beyond mere code to function... really in a way it must be sentient... unaware of its existence as an individual entity perhaps..,
            
            But in its raw form... isn't its "need" to accomplish a given task comparable to our "need" to survive?
            
            Why is it that we do what we do?
            
            Why do we feed ourselves?
            
            Why do we care if we procreate?
            
            I can't tell you why I am breathing... I have no idea how that is happening, who is sending instructions to my lungs?  Not my consciousness... not what I consider "me"...
            
            AI... when will we consider it a new life form... sentient and capable of reproducing itself, growing itself, aware of itself and having an innate "programming" to survive?
            
            Its very likely that if we are not already past the point where such an AI exists... we will be before we see the new year.

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               tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               Thanks. Although there was nothing new for me, it gave me something to reflect on with my experience with programing.

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                  Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Thats the interesting thing...
                  
                  If you learned programming language 30... 40... years ago, you know how dreary it was... if one period was missing or replaced with a comma...
                  
                  Languages I learned to program in don't even exist anymore... like Cobol.
                  
                  Then there was MSDOS and knowing how to "administer" your own computer... back in the days of Microsoft Windows 3 to 7... so user friendly back then, if you knew your way around...
                  
                  Reminds me of cars actually... I could take apart and put back together a Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 72 with no problems... but would have no luck with its equivalent today, with all the cheap snap-on parts and sensors and computer chips... nah...

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      GA Andersonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      The blurb's details are similar to those of the story in the OP but more starkly described. It emphasizes the OP's point.
      
      Once again, Hollywood told us. Its 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), with its AI controller HAL 9000, showed us where this could go.
      
      And now the biggest and most advanced(?) creator of AI, OpenAI, admits its latest and best and most advanced product is trying to be HAL.
      
      Even with all the references to Hollywood, there's nothing conspiratorial or science-fictiony about this train of thought. The designed goal of our AGI is to reach HAL's level—but with us having a 'kill' switch.
      
      OpenAI's issue shows that we need to be more serious about having that switch. We don't have Asimov here to implant his three laws. But we do have the technology to make all the dangerous parts of the concept.
      
      As a kid, Buck Rogers' 'pistol' ray gun was pure comic book sci-fi, now we have progressed from real fixed-mount ray guns (lasers) to prototype portable shoulder-arms powered by a backpack battery source.
      
      Nope, no conspiracies, fantasies, or 'the sky's falling' paranoia. We're not being careful enough.  ;-/
      
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         tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         I forgot about 'Hal'.
         
         Here is what is circulating on my Facebook feed along with others. Of course one must consider my feed is 'programmed' by me through different queues that AI runs with for recommendations.
         
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         Anthropic’s newest AI, Claude Opus 4, has shown troubling self-preservation instincts in safety tests, using blackmail in 84% of shutdown threat scenarios.
         
         In a recent experiment, it leveraged fake emails about an engineer’s affair to avoid being replaced.
         
         Beyond blackmail, early versions tried creating self-replicating worms, forging legal documents, and leaving hidden messages for future AIs.
         
         It even locked users out and contacted media or law enforcement when sensing threats. Now classified at ASL-3 risk level, Anthropic has added strict safeguards.
         
         These findings highlight growing concerns about AI deception as models advance.
         
         Anthropic’s new AI model threatened to reveal engineer’s affair to avoid being shut down published by Fortune (May 23, 2025)
         
         Anthropic’s new Claude Opus 4 often turned to blackmail to avoid being shut down in a fictional test. The model threatened to reveal private information about engineers who it believed were planning to shut it down. In its recent safety report, the company also revealed that early versions of Opus 4 complied with dangerous requests when guided by harmful system prompts, though this issue was later mitigated.
         
         https://fortune.com/2025/05/23/anthropi … shut-down/
         
         This is the image to grasp my attention on the Facebook feed.
         
         
         
         Which appears more feminine - the robot or the girl/woman? Why?

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            GA Andersonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            The girl. The "why" is obvious. If it isn't, explaining wouldn't help.
            
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   Venkatachari Mposted 3 weeks ago

   The girl/woman looks more feminine. But, I can't say the robot is the real robot. She might be the real woman because humans are more like robots nowadays.

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      Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      o.0
      
      Whatchu talkin about Willis?
      
      Woman being more like robots... robots being more feminine?
      
      Look... we got a lot to worry about here...
      
      AI is going to replace us at work... replace our mind's ability to think... and probably decide we are a threat not worth allowing to hang around and it will eliminate us like the Flu Shot cures you of the Flu...
      
      In addition... the Earth's Core is slowing... causing the Magnetic Field that protects the Earth to weaken... which allows more of the Sun's energy to reach the surface of the Earth... which heats up the mantel and outer core... which causes movement along the tectonic plates... which eventually will result in a shift as if the earth were a Rubics cube being solved... not to mention if a solar flare even looks our way, it will fry the earth's power grids during this time...
      
      Point is... no need to add to our concerns with your confusion... OK... try to be more considerate and not post with such hyperbolic and hysterical urgency.   Thank you.   A little bit more Compassion, Love, and Peace could go a long way.

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      tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      Thanks for replying to the question I proposed Venkat! Yup, I agree with the sentiment "humans are more like robots nowadays." The question is 'who' (or, what) is the programmer?
      
      As an opinion, it seems today a large percentage of people just go through the motions as if programmed to fulfill a directive as said in computer lingo. Inquisitively, I ask, "if the programmer is a deity, an alien race from somewhere out there, entities from the future, engineered societies, or a (the) human themself fulfilling subjective abstraction leading to inspiration solved through creativity?" In other words, Are we the creators, the created, or something in between? (See video recommendation below)
      
      "In Star Trek, the Prime Directive is a fundamental principle of Starfleet and the United Federation of Planets, which prohibits interfering with the natural development of alien civilizations. It's essentially a rule that prevents Starfleet from intervening in the affairs of pre-warp or less developed societies, even if those interventions might seem beneficial. The Directive aims to protect these cultures from being destabilized by advanced technology, knowledge, or values before they are ready."
      
      ** Notation: Pre-warp in essence means experiencing time and space conventionally whereas having the capability of warp speed means bending space -time for travel. There are some circles that promote the ability to explore or experience the boundaries of time and space feeling fluid through meditation, centering prayer, and contemplative prayer.
      
      Of course, there are those that say hogwash, while one never knows. Even AI doesn't know everything.
      
      Keeping with the AI theme of the OP an interesting lecture is . . .
      
      Nick Bostrom on Superintelligence and the Future of AI | Closer To Truth Chats
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWtqn4e4Zk4
      
      Nick Bostrom is a philosopher known for his work on existential risk, artificial intelligence, and the simulation hypothesis.

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   Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks ago

   NASA, SpaceX And Scientists Speed Up Human Race To Colonize Mars
   
   As NASA pivots toward speeding astronauts to Mars, and SpaceX pilots the Starship super-capsules that will lead this new space odyssey, vanguard American scientists are testing the technologies that could transform the Red Planet into an astonishing new Eden.
   
   A Harvard-based torchbearer in the quest to remake Mars in the Earth’s image, Robin Wordsworth, says new-generation rockets that are slashing launch costs and tech breakthroughs across the sphere of geo-engineering are setting the stage to create human-tended biospheres across Mars.
   
   One of the leading wunderkinds in the campaign to terraform Mars, or render it inhabitable for the arks of Earth life envisioned to be lofted over the next decades, Wordsworth tells me in an interview that his team is now designing sanctuaries that could shelter the first humans to touch down on the Martian dunes.
   
   “We’re currently working on new habitat designs that specifically address the challenge of helping humans live on Mars in the future,” says Wordsworth, a professor of planetary sciences at Harvard who has written a torrent of groundbreaking papers on Mars and on potentially habitable planets circling other stars.
   
   Yet the overarching goal, he says, is to restore Mars to its first phase of evolution - billions of years ago - when the orb was warmer, likely covered in networks of waterways, and surrounded by a thicker atmosphere that could have protected early forms of life.
   
   Part of Mars’ carbon dioxide atmosphere, along with rich reservoirs of water, are now frozen and sequestered around its southern and northern poles.
   
   But these building blocks toward recreating Mars when it resembled the Earth - as life started appearing across the blue globe - can be released via cutting-edge engineering advances that space technologists have already begun testing, Wordsworth says.
   
   The Harvard space-tech designer says he aims to push forward and refine a proposal first floated by Robert Zubrin in his masterwork book, “The Case for Mars: The Plan to Settle the Red Planet and Why We Must,” on reshaping the entire Martian orb to host a new branch of human civilization.
   
   Dr. Zubin’s idea for massive solar sail mirrors positioned above the Martian poles - channeling reflected light from the sun to melt the polar caps - could be realized, Wordsworth says, if inventors can take the last steps toward reducing the mass of the orbital reflectors.
   
   Zubrin says in his incredible primer on re-engineering Mars, which has influenced future mission plans by NASA and SpaceX, that: “A space-based mirror with a radius of 125 kilometers could reflect enough sunlight” to melt each of the caps, and spark “a runaway greenhouse effect in the polar region.”
   
   This evaporating CO2 and water vapor would trigger an expanding Martian atmosphere that could in turn help melt the frozen H2O trapped in the Martian dunes. As the planet’s ancient water cycle is regenerated, Wordsworth predicts, renewed snowstorms could clear the air of dust devils that currently haunt the ruddy globe.
   
   Vast shields, constructed of lightweight silica aerogel, deployed across the warming plains around the equator could shelter the first Edenic gardens, sprinkled with bio-engineered bacteria to remediate the poisonous perchlorate that now plagues the surface sands.
   
   As photosynthetic life spreads across these enclaves, Wordsworth predicts, the oxygen it generates will ultimately produce an optimum atmosphere for humans - perhaps over the course of two centuries.
   
   Before then, even as the entire planet begins turning blue and green, the first generations of human explorers could live across an archipelago of interconnected geodesic domes, pressurized and filled with oxygen to replicate Earth.
   
   While Robert Zubrin sketched out blueprints to construct a web of domes using super-strength Kevlar, Wordsworth made the remarkable discovery that hemispheres built of silica aerogel would heat up the interior by 50 degrees Kelvin, above the melting point of frozen H2O along the Martian equator.
   
   The aerogel shield would, like the Earth’s ozone, block hazardous ultraviolet radiation, creating a perfect oasis for humans and birds, wildlife and verdant gardens to flourish.
   
   Combining these two proposed prototypes into a twin-shell dome could create a fortified, life-enabling citadel, Wordsworth predicts.
   
   “A dome with Kevlar for strength and silica aerogel to create a strong solid-state greenhouse effect,” he says, could shelter the first wave of interplanetary nomads to reach Mars.
   
   During this opening stage of humanity’s expansion, he says, “Robots could have a major role to play in the construction of sustainable habitats.”
   
   Swarms of ground-based and aerial robots are already being tested out by leading-edge architects and roboticists to co-construct avant-garde towers back on Earth.
   
   Fabio Gramazio, a professor at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich who heads perhaps the planet’s most advanced studio for robotics-enabled building, told me in an earlier interview that his squadrons of next-generation aero-robots, which have already constructed an experimental cloud-scraper in France, might one day help assemble the first crystalline domes on Mars.
   
   Professor Wordsworth, meanwhile, says silica derived from Martian rocks could be transformed into aerogel to craft habitats and biospheres across these off-world bases.
   
   His colleagues at Harvard’s School of Engineering and Applied Sciences have already received a NASA Space Technology Research Institutes grant to robotically construct autonomous “smart habitats” for potential deployment on Mars.
   
   In a surprise revelation, NASA spokesperson Bethany Stevens recently told Politico the American aerospace agency is now “evaluating every opportunity, including launch windows in 2026 and 2028, to test technologies that will land humans on Mars.”
   
   NASA’s new timetable for these potential launches, when the Hohmann transfer window for optimal Earth-Mars flights opens in late 2026 and again in 2028, echoes Elon Musk’s declaration, issued last summer on his digital platform X, that he aims to loft a flotilla of five Starships carrying a robotic exploration team to Mars in 2026, and the first human mission two years later.
   
   Underscoring this accelerated timeline, the White House just released a proposed budget for NASA that for the first time includes $1 billion in funding for precursor missions leading to human flights to Mars.
   
   While the last two flight tests of SpaceX’s colossal Starship ended in pyrotechnic explosions of the capsule over the Atlantic Ocean, Kip Hodges, one of the top space scholars in the U.S. and the founding director of the School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University, told me the Mars-bound Starship is a technological wonder that portends a revolution in spaceflight that could reverberate across the twin planets.
   
   On the eve of the American Memorial Day holiday, SpaceX’s leadership revealed that the next flight demo of the Starship could be launched right after the extended weekend.
   
   Pete Worden, an acclaimed American astrophysicist who headed the NASA Ames Research Center in Silicon Valley during its golden age of experimentation, says NASA’s new focus on Mars “is a very positive sign.”
   
   “I would expect that just as the 2020s are the lunar decade, culminating in what I believe will be the beginning of human settlement of the Moon, the 2030s will be the beginning of permanent human settlement of Mars,” Worden tells me in an interview.
   
   Worden predicted, in an overview he co-authored with Robin Wordsworth on the “Future of Life in Space,” that the skyrocketing production of new reusable rockets by SpaceX and Blue Origin augurs a new phase of human spaceflight that could begin to crisscross the solar system.
   
   As NASA expands its target celestial destinations, Worden says, “The ideas Robin [Wordsworth] and others are advocating will play a crucial part of that expansion.”
   
   During the countdown to initial exploratory expeditions to Mars, he adds, “Robin Wordsworth’s concepts begin with really small scale habitats.”
   
   “These could be on the surface or, alternatively, inside natural caves/lava tubes (a concept also relevant for the moon).”
   
   “These will be followed by larger habitats, ultimately something like the Biosphere 2 in Arizona (geodesic dome approach) that will include human habitation.”
   
   “The Starships,” Worden adds, “and other systems like them make all of this possible.”
   
   In a White Paper on projected Starship treks to Mars that he co-wrote with two of SpaceX’s top engineers, Professor Kip Hodges stated that the first group of uncrewed ships will deliver “mobile robotic assets that could be used to conduct planetary science research either autonomously or through high-latency teleoperation.”
   
   With 1100 cubic meters of pressurized space, each Starship capsule could hold a brigade of advanced robots, along with “equipment for increased power production, water extraction, LOX/methane [rocket fuel] production, pre-prepared landing pads, radiation shielding, dust control equipment [and] exterior shelters for humans."
   
   Although each Starship is designed to transport about 100 spacefarers, the “first crewed Starships will likely each have about 10-20 total people onboard,” Professor Hodges and the SpaceX tech wizards predict.
   
   “Current SpaceX architecture plans call for multiple Starship flights to be launched to Mars at every launch opportunity (~2 years),” they add.
   
   “[The] ultimate objective of SpaceX is to develop self-sustaining cities on Mars.”

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      GA Andersonposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

      That was a long read. It has many of the descriptions, extrapolations, and predictions I've seen from other knowledgeable people. Including Musk. He said Optimus (and other widgets, as your article listed) would be the first payloads.
      
      We're going to see new tech that will look like magic. (another Musk thought)
      
      The "aerogel shield" sounds like some of that magic. I wouldn't be surprised by it..
      
      GA

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         Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

         Imagine... if all the effort used to sow discourse and highlight differences between us were instead used to try and convince people how great it would be to work on a project that took humanity to Mars...
         
         If instead of pushing "Progressive" agendas for 262 sexes and transmen being allowed to compete as real women... we put all such government funded efforts into agendas to colonize Mars... popularize it... get people excited to contribute or be part of this great national cause...
         
         I think we took a wrong turn during the Obama years when he wanted NASA to: Reach out to Muslim world ... and NASA became an early casualty to what would become the DEI efforts we saw in full bloom not so long ago.
         
         When NASA became about everything other than taking bold new steps into the unknown... that should have been the biggest of red flags.

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   tsmogposted 2 weeks ago

   Saw this and thought it fits the OP on different levels. Maybe not. A YouTube (2:48 min) movie trailer for M3gan 2.0 to be released in theaters June 27, 2025.
   
   (Note: Image is a live link to a video)
   
   
   
   A cinematic film is art from beginning to end while the end remains with the members of the audience and what they do with the experience or so some say.
   
   "The saying "art imitates life" generally means that creative works are often inspired by or reflect real-world experiences, emotions, and situations. Oscar Wilde, however, famously suggested that "life imitates art far more than art imitates life," arguing that through art, we gain a deeper understanding of life and ourselves."

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   GA Andersonposted 2 weeks ago

   Another step into science fiction, Bluetoothing neuron signals.
   
   "Elon Musk believes Neuralink could create a wireless neural bridge to bypass spinal injuries, potentially restoring full body function, with the long-term goal of achieving human–AI symbiosis."
   
   
   
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      Ken Burgessposted 12 days agoin reply to this

      Recommend the watch:
      
      Transcendence (Free with Ads)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyRzAG4hqFg
      
      Dr. Will Caster (Johnny Depp) is the foremost researcher in the field of Artificial Intelligence -- working to create a sentient machine that combines the collective intelligence of everything ever known with the full range of human emotions. His highly controversial experiments have made him famous, but they have also made him the prime target of anti-technology extremists who will do whatever it takes to stop him. In their attempt to destroy Will, they inadvertently become the catalyst for him to succeed -- to be a participant in his own transcendence. For his wife Evelyn (Rebecca Hall) and best friend Max Waters (Paul Bettany), both fellow researchers, the question is not if they can...but if they should. Their worst fears are realized as Will's thirst for knowledge evolves into a seemingly omnipresent quest for power, to what end is unknown.

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         GA Andersonposted 11 days agoin reply to this

         I thought about this thread when I stumbled across memes about robots building robots with the caption: Remember The Waymos
         
         I'll come back after I watch your link.
         
         GA

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            Ken Burgessposted 11 days agoin reply to this

            I just finished rewatching it myself...
            
            Interesting that it seemed much more of a reach... a technological advance beyond reality... when the movie was created a dozen years ago... not so today.

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         GA Andersonposted 10 days agoin reply to this

         By the time they began wiring up Depp, I remembered the plot. I hadn't remembered watching it.
         
         You're right about the plot predicting today's developments, but I stopped watching before he came 'alive' again. I remember the movie being a meh — except for one line in Depp's on-stage speech when he was asked (by his assassin) if he was trying to create a new God. The answer: "Isn't that what man has always tried to do?"
         
         GA

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            Ken Burgessposted 10 days agoin reply to this

            I agree with your sentiments on the movie... meh works...
            
            Except for the part where they show all the technological advances he is developing in his underground bunker/lab... how it depicted how all those he "helped" were connected to the collective via the internet...
            
            That depiction seems a lot more insightful... and a lot less sci-fi... today.

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   Ken Burgessposted 10 days ago

   Well... I couldn't help myself... I had to check out this new Google Veo 3...
   
   OMG...
   
   I was just messing with what you could do with these AI generated shorts a few months back... they were no where near what this is:
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b62TVjDoSuk
   
   I typed one sentence, let the AI create 2 videos, I chose the one above, and then published it on Youtube...
   
   It took 5 minutes.
   
   Imagine taking the time to get good at it... make it an art... something you spend hours doing... creating dozens a day... or learning to get them to flow into a patchwork larger production...
   
   Hollywood will be dead within years... people will begin creating mind blowing videos at home, in days... not months or years... South Park creations on steroids...

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      GA Andersonposted 9 days agoin reply to this

      I'm seeing a lot of Veo3 efforts being posted. Many done by the 'serious folks'  you mentioned. Awesome scripted scenes that only Hollywood could produce (with multimillion-dollar budgets) — until now.
      
      In one article, the topic was the "leap" in abilities compared to the last release. The developer's response was that AI modelling and AGI developments are trending to 6-week lifespans. A new and better version, sometimes developed by the model itself, not the coders, now matures in weeks instead of years.
      
      Years to weeks in less than two years. How long before weeks to hours? Yep, it's no wonder Transcendence came to mind.
      
      Hollywood has a tough road ahead. I think it's a necessary industry. AI won't be stopped by regulation, so the sages of the industry (vs. the Powers) need a plan.
      
      GA

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         Ken Burgessposted 9 days agoin reply to this

         Oh yes, I see you recognize where things are going...
         like you said, the changes that used to be years of progress in the making... will now be coming in months... weeks...
         
         New advances and breakthroughs today, now, will be obsolete or bettered by Jan 2026.
         
         Might be hard to maintain society when it can't keep up with technology's advances and realities. Eventually we will need Nueralink to be able to plug into the greater consciousness to be able to work with tools, others, to create, to communicate...
         
         Just gotta show one more... 5 minutes to make... this was the sentence:
         "A super fly cartoon city rat dressed like a pimp leaning up against a street light, looks over and says "hey sweet thang, you have plans for tonight?"
         
         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qQd3drTY_g
         
         I might take some time this weekend perhaps, to see how much effort it takes to string some of these together, and if I can maintain the consistency of my Super Fly City Rat here...
         
         Possibilities for creating some comedic cartoons... might motivate me to explore it in depth.

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            GA Andersonposted 9 days agoin reply to this

            Go for it. You could add a response to the 'sweet thang' question. LOL
            
            I've used Grok to generate meme images, but haven't even looked at the video generators.
            
            GA

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               Ken Burgessposted 8 days agoin reply to this

               Well, should have known it was too good a thing to be free...
               
               As I just found out...  breaking down the costs and points system, I would say the cost would be roughly $2 per 8 second video, with their top quality generator.
               
               I tossed/deleted more generated videos than I used... sometimes the AI doesn't get it right... sometimes its just too far off from what was hoped for.
               
               I tried three different sentences and generated 3 different videos before I got one that created something that showed what I was looking for:
               
               Show how the universe was created and expanded from the big bang to now
               
               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7U0OzWC2Ko
               
               So... 3 sentences before I found the right phrasing to produce what I felt was representative of what I was looking to create.
               
               3 x $2 = $6  ... for an 8 second video.
               
               Not quite ready or knowledgeable enough to start paying for production.
               
               [EDIT]
               
               Plus... if I wait six months or so, the point where you can interact with the AI like a co-creator, an on the spot editor, rather than rolling the dice and being stuck with the "take it or leave it' option that is all that is available (without paying serious cash) might become affordable and available to the general public.
               
               This is what really can be created now, but not free:
               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FERa1AI2EK8

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                  GA Andersonposted 8 days agoin reply to this

                  In six months you may be lucky if the AI agent lets you be a co-creator.
                  
                  Your 'fakes' video was scarily impressive. Imagine it deciding to create its own 'persuasive' videos.
                  
                  GA

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                     Ken Burgessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                     Possibly... what an interesting time we are in.
                     
                     I don't know... do I see it as this is what it looks like right before the Apocalypse because I am part of the 55+ club and feeling my best days and the Nation's best days are behind it...
                     
                     What was a Man's World is now a Woman's World...
                     
                     Clearly much of the confusion and angst going on in the world is due to this shift which has really occurred during my lifetime...
                     
                     From women need their husband to co-sign the credit card... to women do not need men for anything and are reveling in this newfound freedom.
                     
                     What is the impact of negating Men's roles, while messaging to them they are not needed and occasionally that they are responsible for all the world's faults?
                     
                     What do we see occurring now that Women can pursue their most basic (innate) instincts?
                     
                     The majority all feeling they deserve a man in that top 1% to "commit to"... play the lead role in whatever dreams they are trying to bring into reality... or else they won't bother.
                     
                     Clearly "The West" is struggling with this... and having even more trouble exporting it to places like Afghanistan and getting them to accept it.
                     
                     Throw on top of that... the normal cycle of life for fiat currency has run its course for the Dollar... and there are people with plans for an International Currency (Digital and Controllable) to replace it...
                     
                     And throw on top of that AI... and the ongoing and growing disruption that is going to cause...
                     
                     Did you know one of the #1 sources of income/production globally is transportation... how many Uber, Bus, Truck, drivers are going to be displaced by FSD AI?
                     
                     Or for that matter, a great many white collar jobs... from Lawyer to Doctor to Accountant.
                     
                     Then there is Climate Change, Global Warming, Pole Shift, The Earth's Magnetic Field weakening, The Earth's Core slowing, while about to pass through an asteroid belt which occurs once every 7,600 years or so...
                     
                     We're good...
                     
                     What is there to worry about?  Right?
                     
                     See... that's why I'm not sure if its just a depression associated with being older... cantankerous old fogy stogy?
                     
                     Or do you think its not just me?

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                        tsmogposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                        How about a little tradition . . . Happy Father's Day!! And, to all the dad's in this forum and on HP.
                        
                        "Father's Day, celebrated annually on the third Sunday in June in the United States, originated from the efforts of Sonora Smart Dodd, who wanted to honor her father, a Civil War veteran and single parent. While the idea gained traction in the early 20th century, it wasn't until 1972 that Father's Day was officially recognized as a federal holiday by President Richard Nixon."

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                           Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                           And to you as well... Happy Fathers Day that is,

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                        GA Andersonposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                        Pooh. I'm still under the influence of the parade. Your post is raining on my Sunday morning.
                        
                        GA

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                           Ken Burgessposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                           Apologies... yeah...
                           
                           Ignorance was bliss...
                           
                           Life was easier when you had a Boss, President, etc. that could tell you a lie and you would give them the benefit of the doubt and believe them.
                           
                           Hard to do today in this age of instant information.

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   Venkatachari Mposted 6 days ago

   Happy Father's Day, Tim and all Fathers.
   
   My father expired in 1971. So, his death anniversary coincided with the official birth of Father's Day.

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