Unpublished Hub has Higher Score Than New Hub

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   Stacie Lposted 12 years ago

   Its funny to me that a new 1400+ word hub is still low in ranking than an unpublished hub...

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      Jason Marovichposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I've found that Hubber Score is related to HubPages activity and Hub Score is related to traffic.  My theory holds up over my accounts, so please tell me that your new hub is beating a hub that gets little to no traffic

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         Stacie Lposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         no it's not. it has traffic and is still lower than some that do not...wake up Google or HP...

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            Glenn Stokposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            When I create a new Hub. I usually don't publish it right away. I like to go back to it and proof read one last time before I publish. During the time that it sits there in my account as an unpublished Hub, its Hub Score rises. It always happens. So this confirms that Hub Score is not only based on traffic.
            
            However, just like you, I don't know what is in the algorithm that controls the Hub Score. We can only pick up some clues from what we notice is happening, such as this one. But I would guess that traffic also has a big part to do with it once a Hub is published, as well as vote up and down clicks and how long people stay on the page reading.  Your Stats report shows View Duration as well as other metrics that affect score.

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               Stacie Lposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               thanks for your input Glen. its a mystery then..an unsolved mystery...

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            KeithTaxposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Actully, Stacy, it is. Jason M is right; traffic has a lot to do with hubscores. Look at the top 10 hubs for traffic and hubscore. They overlap quite a bit. They almost move in lockstep.
            
            With the information above I tried an experiment. I used a page refresher six months or so ago and focused on one low traffic hub with a hubscore in the low sixties. In less than a week my hubscore hit 100 and broke the top 10 for a few days before I ended the experiement.
            
            HP uses a lot of lip service on writing quality hubs, but their algorithm puts heavy emphasis on traffic. The new HP model only works for high traffic hubs. Hubs that focus on topics with high click values no longer work. Writing fluff that lots of people with visit for makes money on HP. If a hub can't generate 1000 page views or more a month it is impossible to make any real money on them now.

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               Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I wouldn't recommend anyone to repeat this experiment, since artificially generating pageviews is against the HubPages Terms of Use.
               
               "4. RESTRICTIONS AND PROHIBITIONS ON USE
               In Your use of the Service You must abide by the following restrictions and prohibitions on use. As a Service User or Author, You may Not:
               
               ...Engage in behavior designed to manipulate HubScores."
               
               "9....Fraud, Other Invalid Activity, and Breach.
               ...(c) requests for end users to click on advertisements on Your Hub or repeatedly reload Your Hub to generate additional page impressions."
               
               http://hubpages.com/help/user_agreement
               
               Ditto AdSense program policies:
               
               "...Any method that artificially generates clicks or impressions on your Google ads is strictly prohibited. These prohibited methods include, but are not limited to, repeated manual clicks or impressions..."
               
               http://support.google.com/adsense/bin/a … swer=48182

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               Jason Marovichposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               The money figures:  I started a blog and my HP accts at around the same time and it looked like HP was going to be way bigger for me, not in terms of traffic, but in terms of dollars.  Just didn't happen the way I was going about it.
               
               There's nothing I've seen to make me believe that the number one factor for HubScore isn't traffic, but that's just my theory.

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               Greekgeekposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Here's a recent example (numbers from memory, but they're roughly correct):
               
               Day 1: Hubscore 60ish
               Day 2: Hubscore 92, traffic 20
               Day 3: Hubscore 91, traffic 50
               Day 4: Hubscore 89, traffic 5000+
               Day 5: Hubscore 88, traffic 3000+
               Day 6: Hubscore 87, traffic 2000+
               Day 7: Hubscore 92, traffic 1800
               Day 8: Hubscore 95, traffic 2000
               
               From this I conclude that while Hubscore may be tied partly to traffic, there is a  several day lag.
               
               And I agree with you that since Hubpages pays for impressions, not just conversions, the downside to it is that it's tempting to USE it to publish material that gets impressions but not conversions. I confess I've been doing exactly that. However, my articles that don't convert aren't necessarily fluff: they're op-ed pieces, creative writing, informational essays, and thinky thoughts about science and history which attract readers, not consumers. I've been saving my content that's effective at conversions for sites that pay better for conversions than impressions. (In my case, that content is more "fluff" and less weighty in terms of meaning, but it brings home the bacon.)

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                  Jason Marovichposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I agree with the lag observation.  The highest hubscore I received, with small traffic, was in the low 80s.  Hub Score (not hubber score) should be tied to traffic IMO - articles that bring traffic make money for both the site and writer, and solvency is the name of the game for a business website.
                  
                  I'll take heart from what you say about getting traffic to op-eds and creative writing.  From what I hear, I guess I just need a bigger portfolio to catch Google's eye.

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               kelleywardposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks for answering the question on how many views are needed to actually generate some income. Keith Tax. I have been wondering this for a while.

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   MakinBaconposted 12 years ago

   It appears to me Hubpages ranking is related in some way to the things they have said they like to see in Hubs, e.g., a certain number of videos, pictures, text, etc.
   
   I've published some Hubs that were really good, but only included one image and no videos, and have had really low rankings. Other times I've included much more media, and the score is much higher.
   
   It really doesn't matter though. I have low-ranked Hubs that get a lot of traffic, and that's what I'm in it for: to make money, and traffic drives revenue. That's really the only way to keep score, unless you're just enjoying writing and not caring about whether or not too many people read what you're writing.

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   Stacie Lposted 12 years ago

   Well today the opposite is true. The newer hub is moving up,albeit slowly past the unpublished one..

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