Blasphemy laws - Your Views?

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   pisean282311posted 13 years ago

   as a woman in pakistan was sentenced to death under blasphemy laws , the debate about the law has heated up...what are your views on such laws?...

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      stilljustwonderinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      God gave man a free will.  What right does man have to take anothers free will away from them?  None.  I think it is up to God to decide if some one committed blasphemy or not.  Who are we to judge another?

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         getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         So what is God's punishment for blasphemy?  Is it not death as well?  So these nutjobs are just carrying out God's directive, since God seems to always send proxies to represent him.

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            stilljustwonderinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            That is up to God to decide.  We are not God.  It isn't up to us.

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               getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               He doesn't seem to be able to make any decisions, and He never even shows up.

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                  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Never say never.   AND  You just don't know what YA don't know,  Ya know?   No, I guess Ya don't.

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     What is really funny is Ya think YA do.

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                        stilljustwonderinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Do you?  Or, do you just think you do?  Isn't it just your opinion?

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                           Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Of course not. I know almost nothing. But - I am certain you do not have an answer for me. You just want to fight for Jesus.

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                              Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              You just don't know the right question. 
                                 And if you did; and if you heard a truthful answer,       you don't have ears to hear it.

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                        Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Mark  you are correct   I do know that I don't know. Ya know?

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Quran does not mention to enact any such laws in this world; Quran leaves it for the hereafter.

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      Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There is only one Blasphemy God will never forgive and that is to Blaspheme by denying God Himself. any other form considered to be blaspheming is wrong and false docterine.

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         Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yet, you most likely deny a plethora of gods, all but one. Is that not blasphemy?

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         getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         There is no God.  Blasphemy is a term created by psychotics to further inforce their psychotic delusional absurd dogma.
         
         Why would God need to threaten people with punishment, for just NOT believing in Him?
         
         What a weak and petty God these psychotics have created for you.

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      waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Governments who make such laws, need to grow the f*&^k up!

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   Bill Manningposted 13 years ago

   It's all bulls**t. It's no different than saying you have to agree with what I believe in or we will kill you.
   
   What if I passed a law saying you all have to respect non-believe of any god? That if you spoke out on it you'll be killed for it.
   
   What does a law like that really mean? It means "shut up and believe what I do and if you don't you deserve to die".

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   aka-djposted 13 years ago

   Blasphemy laws, of any kind should NOT be included in government legislated law of any country.
   Of course, these laws DO make it into government in NON-secular countries. Islam being one that stands out.
   I note there are no such laws (enforced) in western societies.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      dj - you astound me. The blashemy law was not abolished until 2008 in the UK.
      
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_ … ed_Kingdom
      
      Australia beat us to it by doing away with it in 1913. Plenty of peopel were prosecuted under these laws in the past.
      
      Do you get all your "facts" out of thin air?

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         kephriraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Didn't you read the (enforced) bit Mark. Blasphemy may have still been technically illegal in the UK in 2007, but noone was being prosecuted for it.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            No - but they have been in the past.

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               kephriraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               A lot of things happened in the past. But it was a long time ago.
               
               There are loads of legal quirks like this. Slavery was only made illegal in Britain a few years ago - because it was never officially recognised as legal in the first place - but you can't judge Britain today on the basis of these things.

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  So what? The fact is - not so long ago - and still in some cases today - the "western world" had/has secular laws against blasphemy. So - we are a couple of hundred years ahead of Islam.

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                     kephriraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I agree, it was just that you seemed to be using this to suggest that it was wrong to point out the difference between the Islamic and the Western world on this, but just because similar things happened here hundreds of years ago, doesn't mean there is no difference worth highlighting today.

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        The real point is - we have forced religion out of our secular affairs, and eventually Islam will also. They just have not done so yet. We made the same mistake that they are making now.

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                           kephriraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Absolutely, but the fact that we made the mistake in the past does not preclude us from pointing it out when other make the same mistakes today.
                           
                           And there is no innevitability that the Islamic world will evolve in this way.

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                              Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Well, we can but hope. They are certainly going through all the same phases as Christianity did. You think it will make a difference pointing out how wrong blasphemy laws are in Islam? We all know irrational belief systems are a disaster in progress.

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                                 kephriraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 They are going through the same phases as Christianity did, but the problem is that part of the reason the Christian world came out of that was the relaxed attitude that comes from being the dominant culture across the world.
                                 
                                 One of the main reasons that the Christian world went through these phases was the threat that came from thre rise of Islam - beginning with the crusades and then the inquisition and so on that grew out of these attempts to attain dominance for 'Christendom'.
                                 
                                 In the same way, the rise of fundamentalist Islam is at least in part linked to nationalism in the Arab and Perisan world, where many people look back on the great history of their nations, see how far they have fallen, and grasp Islam as a way to rectify that. Being very Islamic is a way to define yourself in oppostiion to the western world that has become so much more powerful than the Muslim countries. Unless the west falls and Islamic countries become the new world powers, the same path of social development will not be followed. Perhaps they will come to a similar place through a different path. But perhaps they won't.
                                 
                                 And I think there is a moral duty to point out these bad things and apply whatever pressure you can to change them, even if your attempts are ultimately futile.

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                                    Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Pity you didn't feel that moral duty to prevent your country from invading Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. I see the coming conflict that comes from your "moral superiority," and Islam's need to crusade and expand their influence. I am not blind.
                                    
                                    I just hope I don't get caught in the middle.

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                                       kephriraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       You're conflating two separate things. How do you know what my opinion of the Iraq war was?
                                       
                                       And I don't know why you put moral superiority in between "" - as an atheist you must agree that murdering people for blasphemy is wrong. You just don't have the courage of your own convictions.

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                                          Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                          Of course I think murdering people for blasphemy is wrong. I think it is as close to insanity as I can think of. So is murdering people for oil. I actually have no idea what your opinion on the war is. What is it?
                                          
                                          I put "moral superiority." because that is what you are displaying. I am not sure I can claim any such superiority myself. My country murders people for control of oil to this day, and I feel powerless to prevent it. My country happily allowed one of their major corporations to wipe out a large part of the Gulf of Mexico recently and did absolutely nothing about it. I still buy fuel. How moral is that?
                                          
                                          Now - if you mean by "lacking the courage of my convictions" - offering an opinion from behind a meaningless user name on a web forum - yeah - you got me. How very brave you are.
                                          
                                          I was just pointing out that not so long ago we were doing the same thing, and today do much, much worse.

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                                    Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes, it's easy to see how the "threat" of other religions has caused to much conflict and wars over the past many centuries. But, to clarify further, it is the threat of religions in general that will be the end of us all.

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      Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Can you show me the country of Islam on a map?
      (It's OK, I know you didn't mean it that way

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Like, stores being open on Sundays?

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      Sufidreamerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Greece still has blasphemy laws, unfortunately.

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   qwarkposted 13 years ago

   I "blaspheme" everyones imagined god!
   So there!
   Qwark   

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I thought the only unforgivable sin was to deny the holy spirit, but Jack Daniels is the only Holy Spirit I recognize.
      
      RAmen

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         qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         SALUTE!
         Qwark  :

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   Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

   Here in Canada where hockey is a religion, I have lobbied Parliament to pass a blasphemy law targeting those who speak ill of God's team, the Toronto Maple Leafs (peace be upon them)

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Makes about as much sense as anything else I have heard lately. I am torn between the "believing in magic," and "Jesus vs Mohammad Final Smackdown" threads as the funniest right now.

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         Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         We Leaf fans have been waiting for the time we will inherit the earth (or at least the League championship) for over 40 years.
         
         If I can't convert you to Christianity, Mark, perhaps you will at least be a disciple of God's team?
         
         No compulsion
         
         

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         prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         this made me LOL
         
         Respect each other is all -- applies to all, belief, sports team.
         Thous shall not criticize my fav team....If you criticize my team, then the only law I know is to criticize yours too.. that is why there is a Smackdown versus RAW Mohammed and J Christ

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   Beelzedadposted 13 years ago

   And, in the third period, the sons of god were resurrected.
   
   

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      Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      that kinda talk will send you straight to Hell, Beelzedad

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         pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         

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