Using correct keywords increases traffic over time?

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   jfay2011posted 12 years ago

   I have smartened up and am using the correct keywords, making use of google keyword tool and the backlinks etc..  I did notice an increase that was higher than usual yesterday.  Today it isn't as much, but its probably due to people are gone, travelling, shopping etc...
   My question, is that over time, providing I am using the correct keywords, seo, backlinks, popular and quality topic, will I see an increase higher over time?  I mean, so far I've only had two days since I edited and fine tuned stuff.  And I am seeing a small amount of increase in traffic.

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      IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Your traffic increase was probably your own views as you edited.
      
      I had a look at a few of your hubs, and to be honest they would come under the heading of "purely personal".
      
      Hubpages is NOT a blogging platform.
      
      Your focussed hubs may indeed see an increase in traffic in the future, but your personal story hubs, probably not.

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      jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      true, maybe those hubs would get buried, but I also have a lot of hubs that aren't personal and those seem to be increasing in the last to days and I have not gone in and clicked on my hubs myself.  And in the future, I will try to produce hubs that aren't as personal.  But from time to time I might create a hub that is because I want to share something that happened with my community of writing friends.  I am aware that those hubs won't get as much traffic.  But over time, if my other hubs gain more attention, sometimes readers decide to read your other stuff too, because they have become accustomed to your writing.  So I wouldn't rule out the more personal hubs and say no never write them.  If we find we have extra time on our hands and want to share other stuff, then so be it.  I could actually care less if I get paid for some of the hubs.  I wrote them and they're mine and that is all that matters.  But I am enjoying writing my recipe hubs that are less personal and I do get the picture that the personal stuff doesn't pay well.  Thanks.  I get that.  But as a friend to a community of writers, I also like to share things.

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         IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You still missed the point.
         
         Purely personal hubs are not allowed on Hubpages.
         
         http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/Mode … ow-Quality

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            rmcrayneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            It's like a trainwreck you can't stop watching.  We may as well just talk amongst ourselves.

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               wavegirl22posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               rmcrayne
               OMG how I needed a good giggle.
               
               That one just did it  .. . aint it amazing how the truth always makes for the best laughs.
               
               Izzy - being the consummate Hubber that she is, tries so hard to help yet here we see a classic example of someone who just wants to talk. Takes nothing in but seems to be on a very merry way!

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                  rmcrayneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Yep, I get ya wavegirl.

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         Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Jfay2011, I think what you wanted to know if overtime your traffic from Google will increase since you updated your hubs. The answer is yes. Using the proper SEO techniques with keyword and phrases, back-links and so for will increase your traffic. I have proof through my own hubs.

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            wavegirl22posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Your advice is all good and well but the problem starts with the fact that she first she needs to understand what a Keyword is.

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               Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I had no idea she didn't know what a keyword was...pardon me.

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                  jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  And yes, I didn't know that you had to have really focused keywords, that was why my keywords were all over the place.  Izzy helped me figure that out.

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               jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               you all need to lighten up.  We all have a different style of writing and mine is different thought process than yours. And quite frankly I wouldn't want to read a hub about the life of an orange or for that matter a novel about it.  Quite frankly, I think I thanked izzy for her advice and have been very busy fixing my hubs.  But there are some things that I am not going to change for any one.  People like hearing stories that they can also relate to.  Maybe I was wrong to come into your forums.  You all seem to have a hair up your opinions and seem to be ticked off quite often.  And I was talking about bits of frozen junk into the turkey, not the whole thing being frozen.  I was being funny.  some people like to see the humor in things and I see no humor here.  I happen to have more focused keywords now and my traffic is increasing and over time they will increase more.  So as you will all figure, my next hub is going to about difference of opinions.  And as far as essays go, I think the main point is if it is interesting, well written (which is my style), holds a readers interest and is strong writing, it shouldn't matter whether it be in essay style, poetry, fiction or any other type of writing.  You all seem like you have bones to pick.  We just come into these forums to ask simple answers, and some of us have more questions than others.  I am done for a while here.  Go pick on someone else.

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                  Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Jfay2011,
                  
                  For the first time today (on HP)  I experienced what it was like to be picked apart. I want to apologize to you because I know how you must feel being the subject of this kind of conversation. I am sorry if I offended you.

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                     jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     thankyou.  I have been seriously busy fixing things and it's 11:30 at night and I am getting tired.  I'm typing here and then I'm done.

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                  wavegirl22posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Style of writing is one thing.
                  
                  Writing a hub is another.
                  
                  And quite frankly if you want your work to be seen and read you need to learn many things. So many Hubbers have come to try to help you and you heed not a word.
                  
                  You have not paid one bit of attention to Izzy other than the the compliment she paid you. She too was once a newbie. But beware of her wrath for if you keep up your overweening ways, trust me you will soon hear it. She is a patient woman but mind you she is no sucker nor is she stupid.
                  
                  We have all tried to help you to no avail.
                  
                  This is not a place for your essays if that is what you have in your portfolio go blog it. Once again I will tell you what others have tried to. .Hubpages is not and I repeat a NOT A BLOGGING SITE.
                  
                  Trust me right now people are scratching their heads wondering how it is or why it is that you have even taken this so far as to write a hub about How to Write and Get Traffic With Hubpages.
                  
                  If you are such an authority how is it that 2 days ago you opened a thread called "Keywords order changed on me?" and 4 days ago a thread "When we edit do we get better results with google?"
                  
                  If anything we all have learned that if you are going to write about something its important to actually know something about what you are writing about. One might even say that being an authority with some credentials is pretty important. And for someone who hasnt a clue the difference between a tag and a keyword sure isnt someone qualified to write a Hub about getting traffic.
                  
                  Slow down and take a breathe. Consider yourself lucky that everyone has been extremely nice and patient with you.
                  
                  Honestly I work too hard here for someone like you to come along and knock 4 or so hubs out on topics you havent a clue about.
                  
                  You have many many things to learn. Before you write another Hub go to the Learning Center and try learning something.
                  
                  Sorry jfay, this is not a witch hunt but I can promise you I am going to start flagging your Hubs, for low quality. And I am sure I am not alone in this.
                  
                  No one wants to see you fail. The better you do, the better we all do, but I am sure no one wants anymore of your bs here. You havent fixed anything, cause you havent learned a thing in your 103 hubs.

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                     IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     +1

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                  rmcrayneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You have been given many pieces of great advice, in a calm and rational way, which you have largely ignored, or misinterpreted.  Opinions have been expressed that differ from your own.  These things do not constitute rudeness.
                  
                  I’m sure your rampage here is not what your commenter to your “How to hub” hub had in mind when he or she suggested you return to the forums, show some humility and appreciation, and make amends.  You deleted that hub comment, along with mine, stating they were rude.  They were not rude.  They very politely offered advice, and pointed out misconceptions in your advice to the hub community.  Deleting them, and dissing them was rude.

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   MelissaBarrettposted 12 years ago

   I don't understand why everyone keeps telling you that "purely personal" is a no-no, but you keep producing hubs that are such.  The reason that HP doesn't want "purely personal" is because no one cares except you and maybe your friends.  You need to really look at your analytics.  I would wager that you have a significant bounce rate even when people find you via search engine.  Google will see that and bury your hubs.
   
   HUBPAGES IS NOT A BLOG.

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   stclairjackposted 12 years ago

   with all due respect to those who have bee hubbing longer, those who are net savvy, and those who write professionally here,.... if purely personal hubs are strictly forbidden,... there’s a lot of house cleaning to be done a HP,...
   
   i like the personal stuff,.... poetry isn’t personal? really? cause god knows poetry pays soooooo well! show me a poet who writes because it is inside the terms of use agreement,... show me poet who writes because its lucrative,... really?
   
   i'm not trying to be confrontational here,...it just seems at best less than helpful and worse, elitist to focus on the presence of personal hubs when the poster clearly was not referencing those.

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      rmcrayneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      There is a history w/ OP of ignoring or misinterpreting worlds of great advice.

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      Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Poetry and fiction are creative writing.  That's allowed on here. 
      Some personal experience can be OK if it's not so personal that whatever the writer is aiming to share (maybe about what he learned from having one experience or another - that type of thing).  Creative writing, as of right now, is allowed.  Blog-type-stuff isn't.  HubPages tells people what's most likely to earn (and leaves it up to the Hubber to decide if he wants to learn less), but they also tell people what's not allowed these days.
      
      An example given my Maddie Ruud was given once.  She mentioned one breed of dog, and I forget which; but the main idea was this:
      
      If a person has a German Shepherd and writes about how cute the dog was today (that type of thing), that's purely personal.  If a person has a German Shepherd, mentions some of the behaviors and some of the things he's learned by watching his own dog, or what he's learned about the breed from having one, that's personal-experience that might be helpful to someone else. 
      
      How cute the dog is, and what hat someone put on him for Christmas are purely personal.
      
      Another guideline is whether the reader has to know the author personally in order to be interested.  Another guideline might be something like, "Is the Hub about the breed of dog and the author's personal experience with a dog of that breed? Or, is the Hub more a matter of "me and my dog, Bruno"?  Is the Hub about a subject that a lot of people share - or is it just about the author?
      
      Some first-person stories (if they're written the way creative-writing pieces are generally written) would be considered "creative writing", which is allowed on here.  If you think about it, though, even a "non-fiction, creative-writing" piece about something that wouldn't be of interest to anyone but someone's relatives or friends wouldn't be considered "high-quality:"   
      
      Basically, it's a matter of whether or not the writing amounts to being blog-kind-of-stuff or not.
      
      I don't think anyone's being elitist at all. People have been trying to be helpful.  It's HP that says it doesn't want "purely personal", blog-type,  Hubs. 
      
      People have been trying to offer the OP (on here and on other threads) helpful information about HP TOS and getting better traffic.

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         jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I would have to agree with you about creative writing.  We can write about personal experiences if we think people can relate to it.  They might think, oh I went through the same thing, that brings back memories.  It's sharing a piece of ourselves.  If I were to blog, I think I would write about what I like to eat all the time, oh I am going to go take a piss now, oh I think I'm going to have a stinky fart, oh, I just got a stubbed toe, oh, I'm on the rag now, (seriously not), oh I think I'm gonna hurl, oh, my son just said shit a brick, oh, I'm on the can now, oh, I could go on and on blah blah blah

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      jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I would have to agree with stclairjack.  Poetry is great and is emotional.  Some people have said that it doesn't pay well, but obviously it does.  Might write more of that too.  And actually, essays and prose and true life stories can reach people on many levels.  It is powerful just like your crap.

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   MelissaBarrettposted 12 years ago

   The thing is, her obtuseness will 1. Get her moderated.  That would be peachy. (Read: Attention HP staff) and she will come in here whining.  or 2. HP will sleep on the job and allow her stuff to stay on here and bring the quality of site down.
   
   The first option doesn't bother me.  I'd like to help her but she is ignoring everyone's advice.
   
   The second option pisses me off because I don't feel like having the whole site google-slapped because of tripe.

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      wavegirl22posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Scary thing is she has 149 Followers. Take a look at the Hubbers who are on that list. I am not going to start calling them out but......
      
      
      If we want Hubpages to do their job, we as writers here, need to do our job as well.

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         IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Her stuff isn't bad - oh slap me I am being too nice - it needs direction. I don't think she knows how to read comments in a thread made after she posted.
         
         I thought that was all automatic now - you get an email. I know you can opt out, but newbies don't usually.
         
         I just want her to listen to some direction. I don't do this for the good of my health.
         
         I'm just nice OK? Stupid nice but nice..

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            wavegirl22posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Slap .. ha
            
            You know better what I am going to do to you ..
            
            Bang Bang

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               IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Squeak!

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                  wavegirl22posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  smelly squeak you mean ..

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                     IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Got it in one!

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            MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            awwwwwww!

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            jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            And I have been very nice and have been taking izzys advice to heart.  I really listen to the advice, yet on some things it took me longer to understand.  And a little bit of the personal is staying.  It's been taking me three to four days to clean things up the best that I can at this point.  Yes, I am newer than a bunch of you guys, but I bet I am not the only one on this site that doesn't know everything here.  You guys have mostly been here for two to four years which is a lot longer than I have been here.  I happen to be a talented published writer and I just happen to write different than you guys, but I have important things to say just as much as the next guy, oh I mean turd.  ha ha.  That's just my lingo.  I sometimes like to make people think of the metaphors.

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      jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      gee melissa, some of your stuff could interest me in the least.  And I think in the beginning of me seeing you on this site, you sort of slapped me in the face.

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      jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I could have more words for Melissa, but I will refrain.  You can just imagine

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         jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I think in the very beginning she had the galls to suggest that I catch a lot of slack in real life, hey, maybe she does and she just doesn't know it.

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            jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            maybe she should find a pole to sit and spin on like some guy said in another nasty forum.  We only come here to learn from you, not to have ourselves put through a shredder.

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   This thread is too funny.
   
   
   
   

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   Hollie Thomasposted 12 years ago

   This is getting a bit mean now. Turn on me if you wish, but it is getting mean.

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      IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Not only me, but I have sat and explained what a keyword is.
      
      My email box is open, if anyone needs further detail, I am never far away.
      
      She isn't listening. She doesn't seem to return to a thread she opened, and so misses a lot of the advice.
      
      It is exactly like a train wreck.
      
      She is going to find most of not all of her hubs unpublished if she doesn't start listening and taking aboard the advice she has been given.
      
      I am not being mean. If I was mean, I wouldn't offer advice in the first place.

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         Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I would advise her to rewrite those personal hubs. There is a way to tell your personal story without it being purely personal.
         
         She probably has not returned because she feels hurt by the remarks.

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            rmcrayneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Check out some of her other threads.  She pops in from time to time, and replies to one of her own posts in the thread, re-stating her misinterpretations of things.  Sometimes she cheerfully reponds to someone else's post, again misinterpreting to her preconceived notions, seemingly oblivious to everything else. Seems there are a frustrated few of us that can't turn away from the trainwreck.  Maybe we keep hoping she'll have an actual reality-based "Eureka!"  Unfortunately the more she comments, the more evident it is the magnitude of her misconceptions.

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         jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         No, izzy is a nice person

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      rmcrayneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      As I said before, there is a history w/ OP of ignoring or misinterpreting worlds of great advice, over many threads.
      
      And as Izzy and others have said, she often seems not to come back to her many threads to read the advice posted.

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         Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That is so sad because there is often lot to learn in the forums and it's only courtesy to return to a forum post you started.

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         jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         we don't ignore your advice, it is that we possibly haven't understood it in the right way.  I always do come back to the forums.  I just so happen to get busy with other things too.  I have four children that happen to also keep me busy.  And I take time to do my writing.  Pardon, CREATIVE WRITING.  I really have only been active here for three to four months and have learned a lot in that short time.

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            jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Over 100 hubs in 3-4 months.  Maybe I broke a record for a newbie.

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      MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I probably did get a little mean.  She frustrates me.  As prolific as she is with her hubs, if she actually took advice she could be a valuable addition to the community, as it is she is just rapidly producing junk hubs.  Not because she is a spammer, but because she won't listen to the advice she asks for.

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         Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I have never seen her hubs so had no idea. I just assumed since she spoke of keywords, she had real articles.

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         wavegirl22posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You were not mean.
         
         A a matter of fact everyone has been extremely nice. When someone goes in and out of the forums asking questions and does not bother to listen to others who have taken the time to help her and then goes and opens another thread asking another question with pretty much the same BS. what does she deserve.
         
         Melissa, please stick to your guns. You want Hubpages to be a site of quality work, correct?
         
         Cower down to no one. Demand the best.

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         jfay2011posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Like I said before, I write different than you Melissa stinky

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            That is a personal attack on another hubber which is against HP forum rules. I think your should apologise now. AND CALM DOWN!!

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            rmcrayneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Just stop yourself.  Seriously.

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            theherbivorehippiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Name calling is not permitted in the forums.

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            MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Melissa Stinky?  Seriously?
            
            Now my life is truly complete.

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               IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Bet you haven't been called that since infant school!

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                  MelissaBarrettposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  *grins* I was called that about a month ago by my two year old.  "Mean and stinky" actually.  That's why I found it so amusing.

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      Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I agree this thread seems mean - maybe some are frustrated with previous encounters, but it seems like a little clique picking on someone else

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   Hollie Thomasposted 12 years ago

   I wasn't talking about the advice given regards keywords etc. I was referring to the comments made about the number of followers she had and how scary that was. Check out who follows her etc. That's personal, mean and not helpful to anyone.

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      Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you Hollie, I see some great writers here who have few followers and crappy writers with huge following. Your followers have nothing to do with your writing abilities.
      
      But, it would help her to follow up on the advice she gets.
      
      I sometimes keep coming back to forums I didn't start just because I can learn a thing or two.

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         ikechiawazieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Cardisa, love your comment. When i joined hubpages, i was intimidated by the number of followers that other writers had but i discovered that some writers were crappy and had a lot of followers while good writers had few followers. I agree that your ability in writing has nothing to do with your followers

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            Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I too felt intimated and started following people to get them to follow me. But I realized that most of the people I followed wrote crappy material so I stopped. I decided to just be myself no matter who followed and in no time my followers doubled, even tripled.
            
            The crappy writers don't take time to really read your stuff anyway. The people I have reading my work now are great and I wouldn't trade them for anything.

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   rmcrayneposted 12 years ago

   Interesting.  jfay has written a "How to" hub for HubPages.

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      ikechiawazieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks again cardisa

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      Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You are welcome Ikechiawazie.
      
      @ Rmcrayne, may she does know what she is doing. I write a lot of "how to" hubs for HP!

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         rmcrayneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Why don't you read the hub and report back.  A lot of people write "How to" hubs, but it doesn't necessarily mean they should.  I only trust a dozen or so hubbers when it comes to this stuff.  Others may have great advice, but I just can't be sure.  I trust sunforged, darkside, relache, thisisoli, Maddie Ruud, WordPlay, Susana S, Mark Knowles, Lissie etc. Even if they have conflicting opinions from each other, I feel "safe" with advice from these hubbers.  Sometimes however I dismiss certain info because it is more realistic for "big leaguers".  Some of it is way over my head and out of my reach.

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            Cardisaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Okay, report.
            I am baffled because a "how to" hub is supposed have some sort of instruction or advice and I certainly did not see that. I now understand what you mean.
            
            I challenge you to read one of my tutorial hubs and report back. If my hubs are that boring, I promise to never write another HP tutorial or "How To" hub again.

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