If the Earth didn't have the moon, would it spin?
Yes, some suggest this scenario, but it doesn't pan out. Even a thin layer of ice crystals blocks sunlight. Enough to create a flood of biblical proportions would block so much light it would allow very little life to exist on the planet.
We see this example in very high clouds made of ice crystals. Even these thin clouds block a fair amount of light.
You mean the flood being the explanation for the ice-age..
Yeah. We already put that together.Which ice age? There have been more than just one, you know. We are always in an advancing or retreating ice age. So which one are you referring to?
I simply cannot see an ice layer thick enough to produce the oceans if melted floating in the sky. No light would be allowed to strike the earth at all. An what would hold this enormous ice cloud up in the sky? As far as I am aware, there is no example to be found in outer space which makes this even feasible.
Because ice crystals are merely expanded water vapor, the clouds would be thicker than the depths of the oceans in your scenario. You'll notice how dark it is when underwater explorations are being done by submarine miles below the surface. And this is beneath clear water, not ice.
A crystalline layer, even 1 mile thick is not inconceivable. It could have been 3 mile thick. Again, it was NOT solid block of "ice".
A cloud can be vaporized water at the lower level of atmosphere and crystalline at higher elevations.
Crystallized water can also be defined as snowflakes.
One hectare of "snowflakes" could certainly produce a lot of liquid when melted.
As for being 'held up', snowflakes are pretty lightweight. But even further, if located toward the upper atmosphere, the gravity being much lower, temperature extremely cold (allowing for suspension and clarity) certainly could explain stability.
"Fueled by vigorous convective updrafts (sometimes in excess 50 knots), the tops of cumulonimbus clouds can easily reach 39,000 feet (12,000 meters) or higher.
Updrafts (of wind), even in a small tornado form, can suspend 1 ton of dirt; 100 tractor trailers, etc.
"Lower levels of cumulonimbus clouds consist mostly of water droplets, while at higher elevations, where temperatures are well below 0 degrees Celsius, ice crystals dominate." [source: University of Illinois]
JamesWilder, sometimes you really make no sense.
First, how did you come up with 6 mile of solid ice?
Second, Cubic and Hectare are not the same measures.
Third, who is to say the water level of the ocean was not much lower than it is today, which would certainly explain the increase of ocean and decrease of land;
it would also explain the increased level of water pressure forming massive mineral clusters, even fossilizing creatures.
Also noted is it rained for just under 2 months (Judiac Calendar) yet took over a year or to fully recede. Sagarmatha is 29,029 feet above present sea level. As noted by meteorologists, a cumulonimbus cloud can easily reach 39,000 feet. That is nearly 10,000 higher than "Mount Everest".
As for what holds it up, wind & lack of lower-level gravity.
If a single 1/4 mile updraft can suspend 1 metric ton of earth, effortlessly, I am certain an atmospheric updraft, just above the Troposphere, could easily suspend the snowflake layer. But again, the 'height' does not matter, nor the density. A layer, surrounding the entire planet (25,0000 miles circumference, melting slowly, could cause the sea level to rise; not forgetting rain melting the snow on the mountains, etc.
As for "where did it go", I already explained this: the sea level increased, reducing visible land -which would suggest the formation of present day land masses.
Again, you are assuming it was "solid ice", like most tire kicker theists.
A Crystalline layer could exist in our outer atmosphere, as "high" and "free flowing as it liked". One to 10 miles in height x 25,000 miles in circumference. Indeed, it is more than possible. Very little upwind is needed to keep those clouds from falling down even today. And If heated -as by a meteor storm- would cause the entire layer to melt.
As for empty space, it is believed greatly that the lower layers of earth might be resembling "sponge" with large pockets of compressed air, gases, water, crude petroleum, tar, etc sit as shock absorbers.
James.
fyi: The Troposphere is merely 6 miles in height. LOTS more layers to the atmosphere than that. The depth of the oceans is 6 miles also.
Thanks for explaining it so well, Wilderness. I've gone over this same scenario before on the religious threads when someone tries to make the Bible true in Genesis. I did not feel like repeating the many reason why the ice crystal theory doesn't work at all.
The bottom line is the flood story is not true and is only a stolen version of The Epic of Gigamesh. Which anyone who had read this ancient saga-- which is far older than Genesis-- knows already.
- Emile Rposted 12 years ago
0 Correct!! Eventually the moon will break free of the earth's gravitational pull and float away. Not exactly float but.....!
True, perhaps it may wobble a bit more after the moon is gone.
The moon was once 16 times(I think this is the multiplier) closer to the earth and exerted so much pull on the earth and vice versa that the moon eventually stopped spinning on its axis, other than one rotation for every orbit. So naturally the moon slows the earth's rotation somewhat.
- klarawieckposted 12 years ago0
Well, my "full-moons" don't necessarily have any effect on the tides. But they certainly get the neighbors' attention.
Perhaps if we hadn't had the great flood already, the theorized self sustaining ice bergs floating in the atmosphere would have kept the earth from burning up!
But then, no sun! What's to do?
I suppose you are unaware that the moon is a result of a collision between a comet or asteroid and the earth. Long before any mythical great flood or imaginary garden of Eden, this happened.
Which Ice Age?
Yes, Vector. I like to refer to it as anti-ignorance pills. Here, you better take at least 5 of them to start off with!
Ahem.. Nawww.. You keep'em buddyyyy..
You need'em more.
lol...........Ah, you enjoy bliss, I see. Very well!
Na. I just don't need them.
Pills are a replacement.
My intelligence is au naturel..
ahem.. buddyyyYour intelligence is naked?
I can't argue with you there, chum!
BS! The moon has been much bigger in the sky and once was so close it pulled the tides of the oceans around the earth as it orbited it. Geez Jane, do you just make this stuff up in your head?
Because if I weren't, I wouldn't see it. And who says it's rare? Can you see all of the billions of other other planets and moons in just our galaxy? There are plenty more galaxies too. If not, how can you say it is rare?
Shame on you Jane! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU! You were taught to never think outside the f'n box! Go back to school and relearn how to be a follower and drone for the wealthy Satan worshipers!
... LOL
God created everything with meaning and purpose, that includes all of usThat's right, you guys don't need science to further your knowledge. Why heck, I'm surprised you trust science enough to even use those computers to converse with other people of your ilk. You don't need them at all, simple pray to each other in your heads and stop using the tools of the devil (knowledgeable well educated scientists) to communicate.
After all, they lie about evolution, so don't trust any machine the preacher at your church hasn't personally built himself. And medicine? Nah, banish is out, because science developed that too. Just pray your illness away! Let's see how well that works out for you.
Unfortunately for you, you will never wake up. Answer the question concerning why you use science only for what you choose, and deny it when you disagree with it. Evolution, real history=science bad. Computers, telephones, automobiles, and medicine=science good.
Hypocritical a bit, are you?
Good heavens. This thread. My eyes are crossing!
1) Planets without moons spin: see Mercury, Venus. In fact, it would be pretty impossible for a planet NOT to rotate: it's orbiting the sun, so it would have to magically have some mysterious force keeping it from spinning as it went around in a big circle (ellipse). I can't quite imagine how that would work. The Earth is not a tetherball!
2) The earth didn't always have the moon. Luckily, a fairly major collision early in Earth's history gave it a moon. The moon has stabilized the Earth's tilt, somewhat, so it doesn't wobble too much. Even a slight wobble causes ice ages and heat phases, so we're lucky to have the moon holding us steady. Also, early in Earth's career, it spun much faster and the moon was much closer, causing TREMENDOUS tides... which were actually useful in creating a lot of tidal estuaries allowing life to take hold in the oxygen and nutrient rich shallows. I'm not convinced that the oceans would stagnate without tides, since there's heat from the Earth's interior plus ocean currents and wind patterns caused by the planet's rotation, but there would be a little less mixing.
3) The moon is moving away, bit by bit. It's silly to pretend the Moon and the Sun are miraculously the same size in the sky... they weren't always, and won't be later.
See the "If We Had No Moon" video on my hub about Earth, the Moon and Mars for a fascinating planetarium show on this topic narrated by Captain Pic-- er, Patrick Stewart.
(My grandma ran Hudnall Planetarium, so I'm kinda hooked on this stuff.)Thanks, GG! We covered most of that trying to eddicate these here ignert stone age goat herder myth fanciers. But you may have better luck getting through the cobwebs than we appear to be doing.
Jesus Christ was a carpenter Mr Godwin..
Seems you are a very accurate source of information.. And apparently he could not not write either. Otherwise he would have written something in his own words and not relied on hearsay from his minions to spread the word by writing fictional books long after he supposedly died.
But perhaps you may be able to point out the Gospel According To Jesus somewhere in the whole batch of former books which have been thrown out of the novel.
Because Moe wished it to be so. Next question!
No seriously, to keep them from touching each other and burning up the moon.
Oh yeah.. Check mate..
lol
If you done the math, you might realize just how many "coincidences" must happen in sequence before even a thousandth of a fraction of what is before you occurs.
Maybe you should take up residence in those "Habitable Zone"s .. lol
Then you wouldn't need to wine at me.If I did the math?
Your dishonesty knows no bounds. You make up this garbage as you go along with not an inkling of intelligence or understanding.
Are you saying why search for truth?
Why decipher reality?
Why look for our purpose?
You do agree we create things for a purpose don't you?
I don't see any sense in saying "I made this bookshelf for nothing."
It's for books..
"I made this car for nothing."
Transport
Etc..
Why?
Purpose of course my friend. Debate isn't bad. It's progress of ideas and corrections of incorrect perceptions.
Discussion leads to understanding, alternate perspectives, learning from another mind, and is good practice for organizing thoughts.
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