Pinterest "Pin It" button

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   Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago

   I'm loving it.  Attention and visits from simple graphics. 
   
   Yes, people might steal, but they might do that from my blog, HP or websites anyway.
   
   And I'm no Picasso.
   
   Incidentally, this is not me spamming the thread.  I am just giving an example of what is working for me.
   
   
   
   
   "So when did you realise you were addicted to Pinterest?"

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   Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years ago

   Thanks Jason.  I've definitely seen some traffic from the Pininterest site, and think the button in question will be well worth all of our time.
   
   Also, I recently bought a little digital camera...which I intend to use to the MAX on this site and others, and ...of course, pin with great rabbidity.  (did I just make up a word?)

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   SimeyCposted 12 years ago

   PCunix: I'm not being smart or an a-hole, but what is your grind against Pinterest?
   
   Is it the fact that your pictures are being fully uploaded? so it makes them easier to steal? Isn't that a major hazard anyway - stealing pictures from any article on the web is very easy.
   
   If Pinterest only uploaded a 'clip' of your photograph would that satisfy?

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      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I dislike ALL social media sites, but this one seems particularly egregious to me.
      
      If the only person who is supposed to be able to pin my content is me, then why put that button here?  You supposedly are not supposed to pin my stuff , so why have the button?  If I want to pin it (fat chance) I can do that - I don't need a button.
      
      Explain to me what the purpose is for a button that is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED except by me?

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         SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Wizzely has the same button by default (which as you said can be turned off) - whether or not you like it all most sites like HP are going to use this.
         
         The problem is with Pinterest not these sites - all efforts should be made to complain to Pinterest and get THEM to change their TOS and protect the intellectual property.

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            Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            No, the real problem is with people who USE these kind of sites.    If people were smarter, this wouldn't even exist and their poor enforcement would not matter.

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               SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               LOL tell that to the millions of people who use it. It's not about being smart, and I know many many smart people who use these sites, it's about a different perception of these sites.
               
               You have the right to feel that the TOS is very bad and can only do harm to you. Others have just the same right to feel that the risk of losing a picture to a thief justifies the potential traffic and revenue.
               
               If someone wants to use this site for their own reasons as a tool to promote their articles, why does that suddenly make them stupid?

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                  Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  It's not sudden..
                  
                  
                  But you haven't answered my question.  Nobody but you is supposed to be able to pin your stuff, right?
                  
                  So why is the button there?  TO ENCOURAGE THEFT and make it seem acceptable.

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                     SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm not trying to get personal here but you're calling a lot of people (millions) on both Hubpages and all over the web 'dumb' - that's rather a sweeping statements! LOL! Ah well we'll agree to disagree before this gets too personal!!!

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                        Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        But you won't answer the question, will you?
                        
                        From Pinterest:
                        
                        "You acknowledge and agree that you are solely responsible for all Member Content that you make available through the Site, Application and Services. Accordingly, you represent and warrant that: (i) you either are the sole and exclusive owner of all Member Content that you make available through the Site, Application and Services or you have all rights, licenses, consents and releases that are necessary to grant to Cold Brew Labs the rights in such Member Content, as contemplated under these Terms; and (ii) neither the Member Content nor your posting, uploading, publication, submission or transmittal of the Member Content or Cold Brew Labs’ use of the Member Content (or any portion thereof) on, through or by means of the Site, Application and the Services will infringe, misappropriate or violate a third party’s patent, copyright, trademark, trade secret, moral rights or other proprietary or intellectual property rights, or rights of publicity or privacy, or result in the violation of any applicable law or regulation."
                        
                        So, again (and Jason can feel free to chime in), what is the purpose of this button that nobody else is supposed to use?
                        
                        Is HubPages going to argue that this is part of the Author Content exclusion that they initially explained as a software limitation?  In other words, are they putting the button here because we gave them the right to do whatever they please with pictures (which have been Author Content for some time now) - so they have the right to let someone else post it because THEY want Pinterest traffic?

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                           SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I only post my own work or work of people who I have EXPLICIT permission to Pin - that's the whole point as a 'pinner' it's down to me to know the TOS and know I must have the permission to repin.
                           
                           I still go back to the point that your question about 'why is there a pin' button must go to Pinterest not Hubpages - Pinterest are the ones who have the conflicting message going on - HP, like most other article websites are going to use any tools they can, and let the owners of the site deal with the inadequacies of the TOS.
                           
                           HP are working to remove the Pin button and allow you to make the sub domain un=pinnable....

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                              Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              And you STILL won't answer the question.
                              
                              Never mind.   You obviously either don't understand it or don't care to answer.

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                           Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           This is what disturbs me too, Tony.  Are our own pictures even ours anymore?  If we unpublish our hubs are the photos which belong to us unpublished also, or do they still link back to HP?  If they do still link back to HP then essentially they don't belong to us anymore, right?  I'm confused about all of the ramifications concerning Pinterest and who actually owns the photos we personally take and use on our hubs.  Perhaps the old saying "In confusion, there's profit"  may apply here.
                           
                           For example, my genuine--and one-of-a-kind I might add-- "Ewbie" logo (shown below) has "hubimg.com" embedded in it. Is my most prized piece of art in jeopardy of being heisted?   
                           
                           
                           
                                                                  

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                              Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes, they are yours, but we've given HP a perpetual right to them.
                              
                              Supposedly, this was unavoidable:
                              
                              "September 20, 2010: We revised the definitions of Author Content and HubContent in Section 2, to make all photographs uploaded to the Service Author Content. (We did this because the technology we use to upload photos permits you to remove photographs from your gallery, but not from the Service itself.)"
                              
                              But they gave us a chance to read that and decide if we wanted to continue.  By putting this stupid button on, they are encouraging people to hand our stuff to Pinterest.   
                              
                              I'm serious: I have too much invested here to take a hissy fit over it, but if this happened when I first came here, I wouldn't have 355 hubs here now.

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                                 WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 If I understand the matter properly, this is a very strong reason to ignore HP's demands that we produce our own images for our hubs. Presumably, HP can take all these original images and sell them on or do whatever else they want with them.
                                 
                                 This being the case, the obvious solution is to continue to use public domain images from Wiki Commons etc rather than make an effort to produce new material. Moreover, it then won't matter if someone wants to steal them for that Pinterest place HP is promoting, because the images are all over the Web already.

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                                    SmartAndFunposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    This is sounding like good advice to me at the moment!

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                                    Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    My thoughts exactly.  Perhaps this is another reason pixilated images are so taboo here.  No one wants to steal those!   Yes, this is a good reason not to post original images here.  Too bad, I really liked using my own photos.
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                                                 

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                                 Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yes, they always give us a chance to just remove everything and leave if we don't like the way things are.  But not our photos now, right?    I hope they didn't have anything about my "firstborn child" in that TOS update cause I didn't look at it too closely last time. 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                                      

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                                    Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    We already sold our children..

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   SimeyCposted 12 years ago

   Don't be so twerhuigoerg arrogant.
   
   To answer your question.
   
   The purpose of the Pin It button is for ANYONE to pin your article to Pinterest despite the fact that this is supposed to be against the TOS of interest. I've never disagreed with this.
   
   It's a tool that many sites are using and is provided by PINTERST  - so how about answering MY QUESTION: Why are you picking on HP when this tool is PROVIDED by Pinterest.
   
   YOU FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE that HP are working on a solution for you - and continually call me dumb and ignorant.....

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      Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't call you dumb or ignorant.  That would be a violation of the TOS.
      
      HP is working on a solution TO A PROBLEM THEY CREATED.

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         SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         By inference you did - but that's life! I apologize for 'name calling' you and I probably should be forum banned for it.
         
         I'm not diagreeing with what you say about Pinterest, it is potentially a 'frightening' site - but for anything to change the battle has to be done against Pinterest not HP. Pinterest have to force users to give the reference of the Picture and only use 'snapshots' rather than full pictures.
         
         Removing the Pin button and making the article unpinnable is still not going to stop someone from saving your photo locally and uploading it to Pinterest - so the Photo gets stolen regardless of what HP do, and you end up with no benefit.
         
         Does the visibility of the button give implicit agreement that you want to have your work pinned? Probably - I agree - but for many people this is not a problem. Whether that is smart or not doesn't really matter...
         
         Did HP make a mistake by adding the button - that's a very difficult question to answer objectively. For those who use their own pictures often then HP should have investigated removing the Pin button based on user preference.
         
         HP is a business and they are going to try and increase traffic as that increases revenue - that's a fact of life....

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   Well, folks. I woke up this morning to discover that I had been repinned 30+ times. Ya just never know...

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      2uesdayposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Did it hurt or was it like acupuncture?

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         Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well done Paradigm.  I can't resist this... sorry.
         
         

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            paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Love it! If this one is on your board, I'm going to repin it immediately.

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               Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks P.
               
               Note. This is NOT self publicising.  It is part of the Pin It discussion.

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         paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I slept right through it. They were gentle.

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   Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years ago

   Gosh....I get repoked here and there....but holy jeeze, I want folks to click the stinking picture I imported and give me impressions....oh, and here's some amazon that you can't live without since you're here.

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   paradigmsearchposted 12 years ago

   Hmmm. I'm unable to access the Pinterest homepage. We'll see how long that lasts...

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      paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Site is back. False alarm.

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   Arlene V. Pomaposted 12 years ago

   So today, I get this "friendly reminder" from Pinterest, asking me why I didn't take advantage of my invite.  They even left me a site so that I may sign up, using Facebook or Twitter.  Last week, I sent them an email saying I did not have Facebook or Twitter.  And was there a way around this?  In today's email from them, they stated that they wanted to make it easier for Pinterest followers by having them sign in through their Facebook or Twitter accounts.  Sooooo, I sent them another email explaining my "problem".  This is it for me.  At least, with HubPages, I get my emails answered.  If this outfit is just as bad as Facebook when it comes to service, I'm not missing much.

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      FloraBreenRobisonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I wonder if I will get a reminder about the invite I got?

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      paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds like the internet norm to me.

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      mary615posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Arlene, I waited 5 days to get an invite.  After going on and looking around, I think I'm not going to rush into this Pinterest thing.  I can just imagine my email being filled with people who want to follow, etc.  I can't keep up with my HubPages emails.

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         oceansnsunsetsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Arlene, I didn't want to sign up with my twitter or facebook.. so I just signed up not using those methods.  There is a way to get around it.  They are just hoping that you do use those ways, but its not necessary to sign up if that is part of why you don't want to. 
         
         I can understand you wanting them to answer emails, that is always nice, and frustrating when it doesn't happen.

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   Arlene V. Pomaposted 12 years ago

   Oh, well, Paradigmsearch.  No big loss.  Maybe this is my cue to spend more time cleaning my house instead discovering this new site?  Jeez.  I can't believe I actually said that.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 12 years ago

    Flora, I received my invite on Monday and didn't move on it because I couldn't.  So if you didn't jump on your invite, you will probably be invited.  Again.  Like Facebook, they certainly don't want to lose you.

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    Arlene V. Pomaposted 12 years ago

    Thank you, Mary and oceansunsets.  I've been reading all of these posts, and I find all of them very helpful.  There are people who don't have Facebook or Twitter.  Or don't want to add anything to their already existing accounts.  I mean, I don't need to be pinning myself all over the place and make it a goal to be getting all kinds of traffic, but it would be nice to read the work of other writers.  And this includes the HubPages writers who have branched out to Pinterest.  It would at least give me a chance to get a good read and be a little more supportive.

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    Jason Menayanposted 12 years ago

    UPDATE: Please read the forum post below about disabling Pinterest pinning on your Hubs.
    
    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/93743

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    Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

    I appreciate all the share buttons as many of my readers use these buttons themselves.  I do not think there is a better compliment that a viewer can give to a writer then to share their work with their friends.

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    PhoenixVposted 12 years ago

    Pinterest
    
    Updated Terms of Service
    
    Our original Terms stated that by posting content to Pinterest you grant Pinterest the right for to sell your content. Selling content was never our intention and we removed this from our updated Terms.
    
    
    Got this in my email today.

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       Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       And probably fired someone..

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          HubTubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          LOL!

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          lobobrandonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I just joined pinterest today and that was what I read Nice welcoming message Huh..
          
          Something like this:
          We have made a variety of changes in .... but, this is what we find imp:
          Our original Terms stated that by posting content to Pinterest you grant Pinterest the right for to sell your content. Selling content was never our intention and we removed this from our updated Terms.
          
          There was more as well

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    syfsuppsposted 7 years ago

    Cool, gotta try this one, I just got a Pinterest account and hopefully when I get to write my first hub, I'm going to use this. Thanks!

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