McCain's VP Choice

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   pbesongposted 15 years ago

   Sprinklerman seems to be propagating a bogus email about Obama. I am a McCain supporter, but I also don't like when the facts are distorted either. Here is different info on Obama's tax plans that I found:
   
   CAPITAL GAINS TAX
   Many home sales are exempt from the capital gains tax. As long as they meet rules requiring that they've lived in their home, homeowers don't have to pay the capital gains tax if the profits on their home are less than $250,000 for a single person or $500,000 for a married couple. The rule applies to workers and retirees alike.
   
   DIVIDEND TAX
   Only taxpayers in the top bracket would pay 39.6 percent on dividends taxes. It's also unlikely that an increase in dividends taxes would crash the stockmarket.
   
   INCOME TAX
   Obama will keep the Bush tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 per year. Plus, there will be ADDITIONAL tax credits. His plan means billions in breaks by nixing income taxes for the 7 million senior citizens making less than $50,000 a year, establishing a universal credit for the 10 million homeowners who do not itemize their deductions -- most of whom make less than $50,000 annually -- and providing 150 million Americans with tax cuts of up to $1,000.
   "I'd reward work by providing an income tax cut of up to $500 per person -- or $1,000 for each working family -- to offset the payroll tax that they're already paying," Obama said.
   "Because this credit would be greater than their income tax bill, my proposal would effectively eliminate all income taxes for 10 million working Americans."
   Obama also said he would repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans.
   
   INHERITANCE TAX
   Currently, the estate tax generally applies only to estates worth more than $2-million (or $4-million for couples). Above those amounts, the tax rate tops out at 45 percent. Both Obama and McCain support renewing the current estate tax with a few changes. McCain proposes to increase the exemption to $5-million ($10-million for couples) and reduce the tax rate to 15 percent. Obama proposes to increase the exemption to $3.5-million ($7-million for couples) and leave the top rate at 45 percent.
   
   OTHER TAXES
   "New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet."
   Obama does not propose this. And we're not sure where the 2,400-square-feet number comes from.
   
   "New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)"
   Obama does not propose any new taxes on gasoline at the pump. He has said he intends to "close loopholes" on taxes for oil and gas companies.
   
   "New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)"
   Obama has not proposed any new taxes on "heating gas, water, electricity" or other utilities. He has said that in principle he supports taxes on energy sources that pollute, but he has not proposed any specific measures as part of his overall tax plan.
   
   "New taxes on retirement accounts"
   Obama has not proposed new taxes on retirement accounts.
   
   "New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!"
   Obama intends to pay for his health care plan with tax increases on people making over $250,000. Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan did not constitute "socialism"; Obama's plan is similar to Clinton's though Obama's plan does not include a mandate requiring people to purchase health care.
   
   Check out this link if you will:  http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp
   It's a known bogus email.
   
   Like I said before, I will be voting for McCain, as I think he has much more experience and will do a better job, but let's keep the facts straight so people can make an informed decision.

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   sandra rinckposted 15 years ago

   Didn't read the whole thread but I got an NBC update yesturday that said the Govna Palin said that if Russia invades one more country as it did Gorgia, then she would call a war.  WTF! 
   
   She totally just lost my vote.  Now I am out of choices.  I don't like Obama and I don't like McCains choice for VP. 
   
   Dude, what if he kills over and Pailin takes rank!  OMG!  I think we should check her medical history to see if she has a history of PMS or some other female related issue that may disrupt her judgment. 
   
   I can see it now....That (fill in blank) said what? That's it, where's the 'easy button".  LOL.
   
   Then Staples calls and ask for an appology and she says, why this button is not broken.  hahahahha

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   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

   Don't worry Sandra. Jesus is on the side of the righteous Sarah Palin, and she believes the Irag war is a "task of God."
   
   http://dailysource.org/palin
   
   The woman is a great reason not to vote for McCain.

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Your right, nothing good is coming from any association with Christ.  I still want to burn the good book. lol.  Just kiddin. 
      
      

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         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         As you know - I hate to agree with the religious people, but - It is not the book, it is the believers.
         
         Which helps not one little bit. I have come to my own conclusions, and I read that book very differently to almost every one except Peter Lopez. If you are leaning that way, he is your man.......

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   anime_nanetposted 15 years ago

   American citizens please don't take me wrong...
   
   I'm not from America but I once asked an immigrant in America what was his thoughts of the Americans. His answer was funny:
   
   There's only two kind of people in USA. The really inteligent ones and the really dumb!
   
   Let just say I don't think Palin would be a good vice-president. And yes, I'm intitled to my opinion since USA can destroy my country (oh and the planet as well...) with a button press (and some switches turned, of course ^_^).

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   crashcromwellposted 15 years ago

   In the "old days" people used to say, "You can't believe everything you read in the newspaper," and that same theory applies to the Internet. There's so much disinformation on the Internet that people have to be very careful where they get their information.
   
   This is why I have started writing a series of hubs that takes the platform planks from the Democratic Platform, to draw attention to the real position of the party and its candidates. Too often people get their information about the alleged positions of the candidates from their opponents. So far I have published hubs on Empowering America for a New Era and Economic Stewardship. The one I'll be working on next is Working for our Common Security.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

   Sandra - I have just realized I sound like all the pretentious religious hypocrites. "If you just read it with your heart open to Jesus, you will understand...."
   
   Try this -
   
   Throw away any ideas of an all-powerful god.
   
   Throw away any ideas of an actual person called Jesus who was the son of god.
   
   You have a basic understanding of human psychology.
   
   You have a basic understanding of politics.
   
   You have a basic understanding of the big bang theory and evolution.
   
   Now imagine you are transported back 2,000 years to a time when the Roman empire ruled the known world and oppressed everyone - using similar techniques to those used today. Nationalism, politics, awe of gods, military strength, etc, albeit without television.
   
   What would you have written in the bible?

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Mark,
      
      From the many post I have read of yours, I knew what you meant.  What would I have written though? hmmm....
      
      That is tuff no one has ever asked me that before?  Lemme get back to you. 

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         sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I would have wriiten, don't worry about it, someone love you no matter what.  You will be ok. 

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   sandra rinckposted 15 years ago

   Mark,
   
   I changed my mind. I would have written...Welcome to life, you will be in and out in no time. 
   
   Rules:
   
   1. No one is God.
   2. Get your own.
   3. laugh it off
   4. If you kill it, you better eat it. 
   5. Don't boink chickens.
   6. don't be wasteful
   7. if it doesn't feel right, don't do it.
   8. clean up after yourselves
   9. no is better or worse then anyone else.
   10. If you think you need to kill for it, then it really isn't worth it. 
   
   

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      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      lol
      
      Well, except for the chickens (which presumably means Jesus was in favor of boinking them) that is pretty much what I think the bible says

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         sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         lol Jesus wasn't in favor of boinking anything.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            What about Mary whatsherface?

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               sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I wont even go there...let just say boink and bang...ummm....uhhh.  I don't think my thoughts are appropriate.     how bout' a slang term that begins with "F" and ends with "ed".  Or she got screwed, lol. 
               
               I aint right. hahahhahha. 

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                  allshookupposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Now that I agree with.

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   Sprinkler Manposted 15 years ago

   Mark and Sandra's Playground?
   
   What the Hell are you actually talking about here?
   
   Why the Hell are you even in this thread?
   
   Please go away!!!

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      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      We were just making idle chit-chat until you decided to come back and answer my questions:
      
      
      
      I assume you have something constructive to add to the discussion now?

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   sandra rinckposted 15 years ago

   I think McCain has a vendenta, and I think Palin is a liar.  She is so full of crap it is unbelievable. 
   
   CNN-keepin them honest, oh snap!  Palin has lied about nearly everything, and McCain is trying to back her up.  Maybe he is discovering these things after the fact, but it certainly does not make it right, or make him a credible president if he wants to protect a liar by making himself a liar himself. 
   
   But hey, Obama has some lies up his sleeve too.  They are all liars.  I cannot believe the circumstances of this election.  I cannot stand the ones who say, vote for the lesser of the the two evils.  Hell no!  I aint gonna vote for either, why in my right mind want to vote for something I know aint right?
   
   My patriotic side tells me that if we keep feeling we need to vote for someone we know is bad, then we aren't being very responsible citizens.  Democracy is being "tainted" (such a fine word) by being forced to vote between bad and bad.  WTF?

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    LOL Sandy, life keeps telling you there is no such thing as a "democracy" which you've been brainwashed to believe in, and you keep clinging to that illusion.
    
    The choice is always between bad and worse. It takes a special kind of person to get that high, and being honest or caring for others' interests are NOT the traits that are required for that, quite the contrary, those traits prevent a person from climbing that high...
    
    You discarded the bigger illusion of Christianity already, why don't you let this one go, too?

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       sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I understand what you are saying.   Are you sayinig I should still vote???  Cause I don't want to keep voting for things or people that are like that.  I don't want to be part of the number that still believes it is the right thing to do when clearly I can see that if I do then it will continue.
       
       Some would say that if I don't then I have not flexed my right as a citizen, but I cannot get passed seeing that I don't really have a choice.  other than to not vote all together.
       
       Neither canidate will do anything for me.  I will still be poor, I will still have credit card companies charging me rediculas amount for goinig a buck over my limit which are incured by them charging me for things like interest.  I will still have to pay a fortune to keep a roof over me and my kids head.  I will still live in a world that seemingly wants to have everything destroyed etc...
       
       But your right, I was brainwashed into believing there was such as thing as democracy. 

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    I personally don't vote since mid 90s.
    
    And yes, neither candidate will take care of your baby for you, they have their own babies and other interests to care about. And they have like 200 million other people in this country, most of whom still expect the candidates to take care of their babies and themselves, too.
    
    I try to stay focused on my own problems, and restrict their scope to a manageable size, this way I can make a difference

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       sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       What you say dawned on me last week, if I recall right, when Mark asked if I had read Animal Farm.
       
       I said, yes it was my introduction to what communism is, and he said he read democracy....or...., anyways it went something like that.

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    I too thought it was written about communism - before I moved to USA
    
    You are making such a fast progress Sandy, I did not really think this is possible. At least it took myself way longer to get to similar conclusions.

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       sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Surely it helps when people can speak unbiased and or in a way which allows me to see both sides at once. 

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    Sprinkler Manposted 15 years ago

    Wow,  The trio <snip> unbounds!!!
    
    Wish we could all keep up, your intelligence is remarkable!!!
    
    What are you actually doing or saying in this thread?
    Intelligent people please stay away - if you must answer to the actual thread - please remember it has been taken over by the <snip> of hubpages!!!
    
    These people attack each thread like they are so intelligent and know more than the rest of you, so deal with them with a grain of salt or a delete button.
    
    <snipped personal attack>
    
    Your previous comments show proof!!!

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       Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       What's your problem, man? Sprinkler?
       
       Oh, and you still did not answer Mark's question...

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       Eric Graudinsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Don't worry Sprinkler man. All the intelligent people have left this thread long ago.
       Hey Mark and Misha. (And I guess Sandra)
       Congratulations on your promotion to retards. I think that's a few steps above being condescending vaginas.
       
       re McCain and V.P.
       They look like a pretty poor choice  when compared to our own Hubpages Presidential Candidate.
       http://hubpages.com/hub/BT-For-President
       
       Cheers,
       Eric G.

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    knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

    Misha in reference to that troll thing of another hub. They live under bridges and come up to stop passers over the bridge. They won't let you cross unless you answer some question they pose as the correct answer. That's what I always heard.

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    Yeah Knol, this is definitely case in point. I just wonder what makes them trolling?

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       Sprinkler Manposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I guess the trio is growing - damn, what do I call it now?
       
       Retard Group?
       
       Misha, what is my problem? Look at the ignorant babble that is being displayed here. Why are you even here? Do you ever talk about anything half way intelligent or do you just follow mark around?
       
       I think Knolyourself was talking about Mark, Misha. He's the troll with the questions!!!
       
       
       condescending vaginas. cool - now thats funny!!!

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          Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Spinkler -
          
          I know how you hate it when I alleviate your ignorance, but next would be a quartet, followed by a quintet, sextet, etc.......
          
          Basic stuff I learned in the same place I learned about evolution - School
          
          I asked you some questions, which you have apparently declined to answer.
          
          I asked you because you have declared that you hold the same "value" system that Mrs. Palin does.
          
          I am not at liberty to ask her, and I suspect she is being trained in the art of not answering questions in a CIA bunker as we speak
          
          Feel free to answer them at your leisure.
          
          I know that as a christian, it is your duty to attack me, but please stop with the personal insults.
          
          The hub entitled Misha and Mark Knowles are condescending Vaginas is no longer published and the author is no longer with us. R.I.P
          
          I did join his fan club though.

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             Sprinkler Manposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             [ a bunch of nonsense wasting my time writing to an idiot ]
             
             Thats the problem with idiots - they always drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!!!

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                Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Calling me an idiot doesn't really help sprinkler. I am genuinely interested as to how you reconcile your various beliefs:
                
                
                
                Hey Eric - I didn't notice you had joined the conversation. Retard is a step up?

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                   Eric Graudinsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Oh most definitely.
                   And after retard you can look forward to progressing to wanker, ignorant bustard, Scotch Pommie, Frog, and finally - the ultimate insult - Bloody Aussie.
                   
                   And to drag this thread back onto topic - Is Mrs. Palin related to Michael, of Monty Python fame?
                   I hope so. It would be a delicious irony!

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                      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      It certainly would be. Mr Palin and the rest of the MP team were not above taking the piss out of the various christian beliefs. Although, I very much doubt sprinkler has heard of Bloody Aussies.
                      
                      Australia messes with the recent scientific discovery that Noah's Ark held two of every animal, so most of them pretend it isn't there.

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                         Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         Whether or not the politicians themselves resort to personal attacks, they're not allowed between Hubbers. 
                         
                         Thread closed.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    This is an open thread on an open forum, it's not up to you to say who can or cannot comment.

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    anime_nanetposted 15 years ago

    I don't know who is the moderator of Hubpages foruns, but please close this thread or put it in a spam section because that's what this became. No one is talking about the original content anymore, only personal atacks are the theme it seems.

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