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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   -Why are so many people so quick to title their belief or non belief when something new is learned everyday? Is a belief title counterproductive in learning? If you have a belief title or non belief title, are you striving to learn everything or just the things that fit the belief or non belief title?

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      thooghunposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I see titles and beliefs are separate entities. Titles cater to our nature in as far as they allow us to "belong", whereas true beliefs are profoundly personal. Any belief that is expressed solely socially is not a belief at all as far as I'm concerned, but is simply a social device.
      
      To this end I agree that they are counter productive internally. But they have a social function in bringing people with similar ideas together.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Excellent points! I don't have anything to argue which is pretty rare.Thank You.

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            Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            ****ANOUNCEMENT***
            
            
            HELL HAS OFFICIALLY FROZEN OVER! I REPEAT! HELL HAS FROZEN OVER
            
            LMAO

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               marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Ice Cold.

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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      They may very well dismiss or ignore that something new learned in favor of their beliefs, especially if it puts into question the foundations of those beliefs.
      
      
      
      Of course, it is a primary avenue to learn whenever ignorance can be resolved. Unfortunately, there is still the problem of dismissing and ignoring that to be learned.
      
      
      
      That is the 'Crux of the Apostrophe' so to speak, according to Zappa.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Didn't you say that science doesn't lie in another thread? If you believe that, how would you recognize it if science did lie?

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            Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I never said that. Science like religion is man made. Anything man made is subject to corruption.

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               marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               That question was to Q.

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                  Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I apologize sir.

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                     marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     It's alright, none needed.

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            (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Science can't lie, it's a method, not a person. Restate your question.

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               marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I disagree. Man made the method. Please explain how it is impossible for science to lie. There is science to figure out who is innocent or guilty in a court case, you think the scientific facts used to put the case together can't lie?

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                  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Science is a method, not a person, so it can't lie. You've been told this several times now yet you continue to ask the same question. The mouth moves but Mr. Brain has long since departed?

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                     marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     lol, Just because you "tell" something doesn't explain it. Explain how the method doesn't lie. Is that your idea of science, state something without explanation?

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                        (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Explain how a method doesn't lie? You do have a serious reading comprehension problem, my friend.

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                           marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           You make a claim, don't explain it, then ask me to explain it for you. How about you first explain how it is impossible for your claim to lie and then I will make my case of how it could lie.

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                              (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              You really must be dense, pal. Or, do you just sit around dreaming up this nonsense to annoy people?

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                                 marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 lol No hypocrisy in this question is there?

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                                    (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    I suppose the real question here is just how dense you really are?

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                                       marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       I don't know, but i'm sure you will use the "religious method" over the "scientific method" to figure it out as you usually do.

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      kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Titles and labels serve the purposes of evil more than that of Good and it is good not to apply any to oneself except that which is the all encompassing "son of God."
      
      Nevertheless, ignorance will always seek to apply it's labels  to accomplish the work of evil and condemnation. 
      
      But to  righteousness the condemnation of ignorance is good, and that one need not resist it for it is His justification.
      
      Seeking after all knowledge itself is vain pursuit, for worthless knowledge is plentiful.
      
      Who therefore seeks the knowledge of truth, posses all knowledge.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         How many religious believers would read the God dilusion without fear of letting the devil or demons in? How can you understand both sides of an argument when you fear to put yourself in the other sides shoes?

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   Hokeyposted 14 years ago

   I agree. Beliefs are a personal understanding of what works for you while titles categorize practices.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      So why do so many title or want to title their personal beliefs? How do you agree when you title yourself a Buddahist?

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         Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         For me Buddhism is what works. In Buddhism we don't discount others beliefs or practices because we simply don't know. God is a mystery and undefinable. Buddhism is a title of the way we practice. Such as meditation and the principals of Impermanence, Kharma, Suffering, and that all things are without an independent self. God is left up to the interpretation of the individual. So our beliefs are our beliefs. Our practice is our way of connecting with our beliefs.

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I''ve never been a fan of easy questions. In your belief of God, how would you respond to somthing that challenges the idea that there is a God? What would keep you from disagreeing simply to protect your belief of God?

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               Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               My belief is my belief and it doesn't matter what anyone else says. I am confident in my beliefs because they work for me and I see the benefits all around me all the time. Live and let live. To each his own. It is not my job to try to sway others or be swayed.

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                  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Doesn't that contradict learning new things?

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                     Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     For me Buddhism is what works. In Buddhism we don't discount others beliefs or practices because we simply don't know. So no. That doesn't contradict learning because part of this practice is having an open mind to other beliefs. So part of my belief is to be open to the ideas of others and thier interpretations. This way I can make my own decision based on the many different view points.

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   goldenpathposted 14 years ago

   You recently did a thread on "What is Absolute"?  I have continued to think about that question.  Learning is an absolute in my opinion and essential to the human experience.

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      Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I totally agree

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Goldenpath, I agree. What if a person believed the bible was all they needed to learn on because they believed it was the word of God. Why would a person that believes they have already found God look outside of the bible when it answers their questions? Wouldn't the bible keep them from learning new things in a way?

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   During periods of fast change as in today's world, we need to be able to cope with major changes and quickly. What seemed written in blood one day may be blown away the next. A very good grasp of reality is required to sort it out. The sword of logos is the best tool for this job, not stuck thinking. Some are adapting well, some not.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hello Earnest, I agree, I think content is control while learning is limitless.

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   kessposted 14 years ago

   Men lies
   
   Lies leads to errors
   
   Men devises methods
   
   Therefore method has errors ( lies ).

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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Fyi - errors and lies are two different things. See a dictionary for the distinction.

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         SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         No matter what the dictionary says, both are untruths.

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            Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            How do you figure that?

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               SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               An error is something that was made falsely or made with mistakes. It is therefore an untruth. It is wrong and not right. Even if made by accident, it is still wrong.
               
               I hope I don't have to explain what a lie is.

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                  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  It's obvious to me now that I misread your post as a direct response to the dictionary than to the meaning you had in mind. My bad.

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            (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Surely SirDent, you don't expect me to sit here an accept a statement like that, do you?
            
            Seriously, did you actually read what you wrote there? No, seriously.
            
            These are simple definitions of words, SirDent. They are patterned that way in order for us to use them to help explain our ideas to each other. We use them to distinguish between certain concepts where clarification is vital to understanding.
            
            SirDent, I implore you, sir. Even if you have to turn to your scriptures for advice on this one, it will never teach you to deceive yourself on such simple matters as these.

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               kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               golly

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      skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      this Applies to book of imaginary friends(old and new testament friends) ?

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   Colebabieposted 14 years ago

   Umm I'm agnostic. I put a title to it because it makes it easier. It doesn't limit my span of thought or belief.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Do you put yourself in a state of mind to not believe in a God to see from anothers point of view?

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         Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yes. As well as putting myself in the state of mind of believing in God to see someone else's. It gets more difficult for me, however, to put myself in the state of mind of someone who believes the bible as fact and the word of God. But I try, I really do.

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            That is pretty honerable. I don't have any disagreement to a persons belief when they don't let the title or fear rule their thoughts.

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               Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I agree with you on that. It is quite frustrating to not be able to have a discussion with someone because they put up that block.
               
               As well as people who don't live their lives how they want or do things that they want to do. Things that make them happy... because of their title.

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