Reasons why Ferguson and Eric Garner has to do with race. List below
@wilderness:
1. 18, eighteen, for a couple months. He was born in May he died in August (3 months into "adulthood" I don''t believe you are an adult until you are 25 that's when your brain is fully developed. By the way EIGHTEEN IS STILL A TEENAGER (EIGHT-TEEN). Way to villianize a murder victim
2. Wilson fired a total of twelve rounds, Brown was hit by seven. So making sure someone unarmed is down and dead is justice. Ok I got it!!! Thanks for clearing that up for me. It logical to cry self defense when you are a train cop with a loaded gun and a unarmed teenager (who judging from his pictures was probably overweight and out of shape)
3. Research that and come back to me!
Overall it saddens me that you are trying to justify the murder of a young boy who is BLACK. Racism is ingrained in our culture. Instead of being defensive maybe you can at least try to Iisten to what protestors/blacks are saying
By the way I leave you with this picture
@wilderness: What is really sad is that you have to spin the story violently to gain any sympathy for it. ..... I guess the same goes for you too
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The witnesses stories are mixed, some say the teen attacked him, some witnesses say the TEEN didn't. Justice was served in the streets in this case not in the courts. Trust and believe it is something I KNOW. In no way was justice even given a chance to be left to court. His fate (aka "justice") was decided for him, sadly
By the way I never said the cop was RACIST, you did, and maybe its something you truly believe in. The system is racist and you are clearly in complete denial (are you guilty about something?).
Overall, it saddens me that certain people turn a teen into a violent attacker and spin an incident to deny systematic racism doesn't exist. And No, I'm not interested in listening to what such idiots have to say any more than I'm interested in hearing someone spin the incident for all they're worth in an effort to promote delusion and a racist system that creates benefits some and punish others.
@MelissaBarrett: I am not assuming anything and please don't put words into my mouth
Are you assuming something?
I am stating facts, there were 9 white members in the panel (which says a lot).
P.S. Racism built this country and most of the world (especially the western world). Its ingrained in our culture and the system has and still is unfair to black people. Racism is not dead@MelissaBarrett: I understand all your points but 9 out 12 panel were white and from what I understand white people do not make up 75 percent of the US population (they make up between 73-77% of the popular) So in both situations the panel mis-represented the actual population distribution. I have a feeling they added 2 more blacks to give the impression of a fair trial (which was not the case).
Why I feel the Ferguson case was handled poorly and has to do with race:
1. Did you hear and watch the video of Forensic Pathologist Cyril Wecht (if you haven't here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWUkBxmFUvU). Pretty much he's saying that the way Darren Wilson's account of the events that left Mike Brown dead is forensically not true. Darren shot to kill (and he overkilled Mike). He stood over Mike and shot him several times. Granted Mike was a large boy, 6'4 and Darren 6'1. Even so, 7 shots and shooting him when he was already down? It seems he was trying to tranquilize/put Mike to sleep
2. Also you should check out the huffington post article (link here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/2 … 20814.html). Pretty much this article accounts the discrepancies and holes In investigation that were intentionally made by the investigation.
1. Wilson washed away blood evidence. 2 The first officer to interview Wilson failed to take any notes. 3. Investigators failed to measure the likely distance between Brown and Wilson.4. Investigators did not test Wilson’s gun for fingerprints. 5. Wilson did not immediately turn his weapon over to investigators after killing Brown. 6. An initial interview with investigators was delayed while Wilson traveled to the hospital with his superiors.7. Wilson’s initial interview with the detective conflicts with information given in later testimony. .... Read the article to understand it more.
It is clear from this article, Darren and his fellow cops covered for each other backs and threw this "investigation" To argue for these 9 whites panel they had not choice but to not indict him (because justice was screwed over by poor investigation/evidence). I do have a strong feeling if the investigation was handled properly they still wouldn't indict Darren (especially in contrast to Eric Garner when it's pretty obvious what is going on)
3. His body laid on the ground for at least 4 hours, Overall all of this shows they do not have any compassion for Mike Brown. Just like there is no compassion for Eric Garner. I watched several videos of his last moments. In one video, he laid for 7 minutes not breathing/unconscious (waiting for an ambulance) and no attempts of no resuscitation. Pretending that he is not unconscious trying to wake him up. This the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT66U_Ftdng . He laid their like cattle. Both died with no humanity or without justice. Both these cases speaks on the fact that black lives on not valued and important. Lastly I leave you this picture
If you still don't want to see the race, issue, I hope we can agree that the way cops handle and deal with people need to change. In both those situations it was cold blooded murder by cops. I don't think the cops planned/wanted to kill these men but they did and they did it brutally using excessive force and cruelty. Justice must be made and reform must be in order.
I've seen lots of numbers being quoted that I think are relevant to the cases in Ferguson and NY as they are part of the wider picture. For example the point MelissaBarrett made that assaults are committed by a disproportionate number of black people.
It's important to recognise that these figures do not show the number of people that committed assaults, they show the number of people arrested for committing assault. It's an important difference, because the number of people arrested or convicted for a crime is influenced by the way police do their job. For example:
Arrest rates for possession of marijuana.
Based on this we might conclude that significantly more black people use marijuana than white, but . . .
Recorded marijuana usage:
Usage among black and white is almost the same (for 18 - 25 year olds it is greater for white people). So the fact that significantly more black people are arrested for possession of marijuana is not an indicator that significantly more black people commit that crime. It indicates there is a racial disparity in marijuana possession arrests. So if you are black and in possession of marijuana, you are 2.5 times more likely to be arrested than if you are white and in possession of marijuana.
Likewise, if you are black you are more likely to be searched during a traffic stop than if you are white. Again this has an impact on the number of people arrested for crimes. If you search a greater percentage of black people, then you are increasing the likelihood of detecting crime committed by black people, and decreasing the likelihood of detecting crime committed by white people.
Often this disproportionate targeting of black people cannot even be justified on operational grounds. E.g.
In Ferguson searches of vehicles driven by black people accounted for 92% of vehicle searches. Yet only 22% of black people searched resulted in the discovery of contraband, whereas 34% of white people searched resulted in the discovery of contraband. Likewise . . .
Percentage of stops resulting in a frisk in NY:
Percentage of frisks that resulted in a weapon being found in NY:
So even though from an operational perspective, frisking white people resulted in more weapons being found, black and latino people are still frisked more often.
This type of racial bias has a significant negative social impact in lots of different ways, not only for those who are targeted, but also society in general. Seeing more young black men being stopped and frisked reinforces a stereotype, which in turn influences underlying assumptions about young black men as being dangerous (even though the reality is that you are statistically more likely to find a weapon on a white person who is stopped in NY).
In my opinion it would be foolish and naive to separate the incidents involving Mike Brown and Eric Garner, from these wider issues relating to race and law enforcement in general. The police officers involved in both cases are part of society. They are not immune to the attitudes and assumptions prevalent in society. Everyone's behaviour is influenced by the attitudes and assumptions they make. The trick is in knowing when our behaviour is influenced in this way and doing something about it. Different behaviour from the officers involved or Mike Brown and Eric Garner could have averted both their deaths. But the officers are afforded with an authority other citizens do not have so I believe they must be held to a higher standard.
In both cases I believe the officers did not need to behave in the way they did. In the case of Brown, I do not believe use of deadly force was justified, and based on the physical evidence and testimony from eyewitnesses that I am aware of, I do not believe the officer's account of what happened. At the very least I think he should have been indicted and tried in front of a jury. However I do think there may be a case for reasonable doubt. In the case of Eric Garner, I believe there is no doubt. The use of deadly force was not justified, and therefore unlawful. I believe he should have been tried, and I strongly suspect he would have been found guilty, if not of murder, then certainly of a lesser charge such as manslaughter.
The most important point we have to take from all this is that this issue is about more than Mike Brown and Eric Garner. Those are only symptoms of the problem.Unfortunately assumptions based on socio-economic status also have a disproportionate impact on black people, because a greater proportion of black people live in poverty compared to white people, relative to the percentage of the population. So it's a double hit. Either black people are treated differently by law enforcement because of assumptions about race, or they are treated differently because of economic status, although anecdotal evidence suggests that black people who have achieved high socio-economic status are still treated differently by law enforcement.
I do not believe every police officer is a racist, if by racist you mean someone who dislikes a person because of their race and deliberately treats them badly out of malice. However I do believe it is possible for people's behaviour to be influenced by underlying racial bias without any element of malice involved. So I don't believe that all officers who stop and frisk black people are doing so because they hate black people (black officers search more black people too). But I do believe that law enforcement policies, and the actions of individual officers, can be influenced by negative stereotypes and underlying assumptions about race.
This is systemic racial bias in practice, and it results in disproportionate numbers of arrests among black people, disproportionate numbers of convictions of black men, and disproportionate lengths of prison sentences for black men compared to white men who commit the same crime. The social impact is clear: people convicted of a crime find it harder to get a job; the children of those who are jailed suffer all the issues associated with having an absent parent; many black people develop a mistrust of the law and law enforcement officers; many black people feel unjustly victimised (because they are) which negatively impacts their outlook on life; some black people play up to the stereotype that is being applied to them (if I am going to be treated like a criminal regardless of what I do, I may as well engage in criminal activity and reap some of the benefits of that lifestyle) and so on. I'm not suggesting that this is the explanation for all bad behaviour (some black people are just lazy, greedy, selfish and destructive, just as some white people are) but it is important to recognise the social effects that law enforcement policies have on different groups within society.
Stereotyping can be useful. It's how we categories things and makes sense of the world. But applying negative stereotypes to people is a problem. In my opinion it is not acceptable for a police officer to make a judgment about someone's potential criminality based on what fashion they choose to wear (unless it relates to intelligence about people wearing specific gang-related colors etc). Neither is it acceptable to judge someone's potential criminality on the basis of what music they are listening to, car they drive, street they live on or apparent socio-economic status. Just because someone looks like this . . .
. . .doesn't mean they can't also be doing this (yes it's the same person):
Policing is not just about being able to use force. It's also about getting to know people within a community, understanding a community, being a positive influence in the lives of people in that community. Instead we have police officers who perceive people in the communities they are meant to serve as enemy combatants; where an assumption of criminality is made on the basis of what someone looks like or how much money they appear to have. And that is given tacit official approval by the fact that officers who overstep their authority are not held accountable. I believe that is wrong, and I genuinely struggle to understand why others don't also.@MelissaBarrett: I don't believe that if you want the police officers to bond with the community you need to hire more. That sounds pretty silly actually. I feel when people see cops they get worried and a bit of afraid. The more cops there are, the more people worry and become afraid. Cops only show up (especially in large numbers), if some serious shit is going down (aka crime and other scary shit!!!!). People don't want cops around them, unless they need help and/or are in serious danger. Their presence is intimidating and other than needing help, people don't want to see them in their communities all the time.
The system needs to change, that's what these protesters and what a lot of people are saying. They know what's up. It is not ok or right to stereotype people based on a perception of threats than an actual threat. Stereotyping is useful (but not that effective because it fosters mistrust and resentment in the people and communities that are being stereotyped. Other methods need to used and implemented. The statistics that Don W showed states that the fact that oftentimes there is perception of threats than actual (in reality) threats.
It seems like you blame people and give them the sole responsibility of correcting the police over-policing and combatant behavior. It goes both ways. Both sides have to be accepting and receptive of behaviors that promote unity and understanding. It has to be genuine and not superficial. Its like you are placing the sole blame on the people and not the cops.
If someone opens up to you, you feel more comfortable opening up to them!I think over-policing of deprived areas is definitely a factor for why black people are treated differently by law enforcement. The reason that is being perceived as racism is because legacy and ongoing systemic racial bias (justice system, housing, banking practices etc.) are some of the root causes of poverty among black people. So many people view issues with race within law-enforcement as being another part of a the wider issue about racial bias in society in general. If law enforcement treat people differently who are poor, and black people are disproportionately poor, and one of the reasons black people are disproportionately poor is because of racial bias, it's hard not to conclude that racial bias is one of the underlying problems.
But I also think racial bias does exist on an individual, interpersonal level among some police officers. Some of that bias may be based on the fact that police officers are people, and have diverse personal beliefs like anyone else. Some of it is based on assumptions perpetuated through a cycle of conflict: police officers behave differently towards black people (more likely to stop and frisk, more likely to search a vehicle). This causes anger and resentment towards police officers. This anger and resentment manifests itself in the way some black people (especially young black men) behave when coming into contact with police officers. This perceived hostility reinforces the police officer's belief that black people (especially young black men) are hostile towards them, and therefore represent more of a threat. This results in police officers treating black people differently, and back to the stat . . . It's the classic Betari box:
In effect it's a giant feedback loop. The cycle has to be broken. What's the best way to do that? I don't know, but if I was looking for a place to start I'd suggest that we can't control other people's behaviour, only our own so it makes sense to start there. For police officers that means doing better at interpersonal interactions with members of minority communities, especially young black men. The usual business of deterring, detecting and investigating crime has to go on of course, but I think there needs to be more of an effort on community outreach. Lots of good work is already done in this are, but initiatives are often fragmented, under funded and inconsistent in terms of their goals and methods. I think there needs to be a concerted national effort which includes:
1) Additional funding specifically for community policing.
2) Development of a framework for what good community policing actually looks like.
3) A gathering of data at Federal level on police use-of-force situations, including demographics such as race and relevant socio-economic factors, so we can get a clearer idea of where the problems lie.
4) Greater effort to recruit candidates that are more representative of the communities they serve.
5) Top-down acknowledgement and understanding that mutual trust between law enforcement and the community is vital for effective policing and has an important, positive long term impact.
6) An investment in the continual professional development of police officers, above and beyond firearms proficiency. Modern police officers should be trained in the areas of problem solving, conflict resolution, interpersonal communication, and cross-cultural competency.
7) All new police officer recruits should have to take part in a structured community outreach program as part of their training, to reinforce the idea that being able to win over hearts and minds is as important as being able to shoot or restrain someone.
8) Changes to internal performance review structures. Officer performance indicators should not include the number of people they stop and frisk, the number of citations they write etc. And officers should be rewarded and commended for achievements in their local communities just as much as for making good arrests.
9) Fundamentally officers must be trained to deal with every person they encounter as an individual. It is not a crime to wear a hoody. It is not a crime listen to hip hop. It is not a crime to wear saggy pants. None of these things indicate criminal activity and are not probable cause to suspect someone of committing a crime.
10) An end to the militarization of police forces (if police officers ever actually need military equipment and weapons, then something has already gone very badly wrong).
11) It's crazy that I have to this but police officers need to be verbally polite and professional when they are simply making 'contact', not rude and aggressive. This applies even when a subject is belligerent.
Local communities have to play a part too:
1) Local business, social services, professional groups, religious organizations, residents associations etc must all be involved in the discussion of law enforcement issues that affect the whole community.
2) Areas of mutual concern should identified and collaborative solutions sought.
3) Individuals need to make sure they don't allow frustration they feel about racial bias in general to negatively impact on the interaction they are having right now with this particular police officer.
4) Acceptance and understand that many police officers are good people doing a difficult job.
6) Acceptance and understanding that in certain situations (e.g approaching a car on a traffic stop alone at night) police officers will literally be afraid for their life. That's probably not the time to vent frustrations about police harassment etc.
7) It's crazy that I have to say this but, vote. Communities need to organise and encourage people to vote at all levels so that they can promote an agenda that is meaningful to them and have a say in how their communities are policed.
8) For want of a better term, 'police outreach' programs. Community groups could invite police officers to participate in community events to help foster better community-police relationships.
How do we fund all that? On the community side it has to be through NGOs, charities, not-for-profit organisations etc. On the government side. Give congress a massive pay cut? Spend less on overseas wars? I'm not sure, but it's important so I think we should find a way. I don't know how feasible some of those ideas are, or how much some of that stuff is already happening, and I'm sure holes can be picked in some of those suggestions, but you asked for ideas so . . .
@MelissaBarrett: I do with the privilege part but that can just prove that the police are not only targeting people of color but also poor people; which is draw a conclusion that the system is not only racist but classist (not sure if there is a word for that but oh well
too.
What I can't believe is that you still do not want to believe that the system is racist! It seems pretty obvious!!! Like I truly want to know why?
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago
0 We can debate it all day. The statistics you reference are not representarive of a proportionate amount of other persuasioned people killed during incidents of police encounters. We're talking dead, not just kissing the ground...
Yes, the police seem to be more forceful with poor people (which just HAPPEN to be black ) but what does it matter?
People are crummy all over each county. Blacks are not crummier than whites. Black people are more policed; less "protected and served". The numbers do show that...
The two really nice cops in one's family, make me proud. But they do not make up the whole of police mentality. They are rare...Ok. You believe your sources. You do not see racism but people being killed for being ruthless??? I'm shocked...
Please cite your ill-informed source for your assertion that more Whites are killed by cops. It seems ludicrous to utter... but you seem to believe that... are you counting statistics that include execution of death row inmates? There may be more white death row inmates; I can give you that... but blacks are harassed and killed by cops much more. You want to say because they commit more crimes; I beg to differ... Whites are neck and neck on the criminal offences, but they get away much longer... much easier. They have no blacks to spotlight, so yes, poor, white... they gotta police someone.
It's hard to believe that people could be oblivious to the facts. (Avitt)
I got plenty friends with police stories.
And they've got friends...
I have no barbs. My truth is possibly more representative of a truer picture, as a product of the place/people of which we speak.
Your ideas are now in full-swing. Mothers have left home to work and their teens are left to their own devices. The benefits are lousy and cost more than they are worth. (Transportation alone, eats up a nice portion of wages.) Everyone is busier and angrier. Still no progress. You need that one big break... just to break even, but where??? A grant? Those secrets are well guarded, and wrapped in layers of red tape. Oh, but certain ones DO get them
Truth... that's it...
I hate that my blatant defense is, as well, ill-received as the blatant offenses. But what else can I do? Agree? Thank you, no. Blacks do NOT commit more crimes; violent or otherwise.
@wilderness: what do you mean by somehow getting rid of Al Sharpton? Isn't that statement a bit weird? Though I have my issues with Al Sharpton (and his fame-whoring antics), he is needed in the Black Community. No matter what he does seem to be advocating for the black community (even if its a bit superficial and self-serving). I don't think he promotes racism. I think you and I definitions of racism differ.
I feel welfare system needs to be reformed too!!!! Welfare is just another way to control minorities and poor people and mess up the dynamics of the family. Child support also needs to be reformed. These systems are systematically bringing down minorities (specifically blacks) and poor people.
I disagree with double or triple police action in ghetto communities. That sounds silly and would probably worsen the problems. It seems like you promoting harsher methods for controlling minorities and poor people (advocating for over-policing that is ineffective). "Public humiliation", really? "supporting that subclass" You seem very bitter and resentful?
Your statement, "Either blacks are equal to everyone else, and deserves the same treatment from courts without the president of the US playing to the media, or they are not."
This forum is all about how blacks are not being treated equally or have the same treatment from the courts to whites, where have you been? BTW the president speaks on issues concerning the people; so whatever he chooses to speak about is legitimate (and simply just "not playing to the media) "
Racism isn't dead and it looks like it isn't going nowhere
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Enough Said ! No one is acknowledging the FACT that this profiling of "bad people" often leads to silver platter charges. They rationalize that, this "criminal" must be guilty of something... my word against theirs, ha-ha-haaaaa...
Kinda puts a new spin on jailed people who MUST BE GUILTY. I know different for myself.
Now, I know that my spin leaves a bad taste in the mouths of those who love to quote the miserable "truth" statistically... but the numbers lie... I am a personal witness to THIS fact. yes, again...
I have no feelings about being "boldly (with loud announcement)" ignored by some, it is what it is...- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
I can probably ask quite a few inmates how innocent they are, and receive honest answers. I've seen it with my own eyes. And, no, before my incident, I did not believe all the stories I heard about police set-ups. I figured, they would have nothing to gain.
But I realize that my personal experience only helps me to see, not necessarily anyone else. I know what I know, I will run where I must, with that.
As an aside, I can see you going ballistic, police or no, if certain things are simply said to you... I don't know why...
It's not hard AT ALL to convict an innocent person when the very "defender" you give them says, "It's your word against theirs, and who do you think the judge will believe? Its MUCH worse if they try you and convict. And ive been working with these cops a long time, they'll just say they saw you put it there. Go on and take the little six months... As long as you don't get into any trouble, you'll be fine." Verbatim...
Young and stupid? Like Mike??? Hey! Should I be talking to you behind glass in your orange suit??? lol...There was no guilt. I was not guilty of a thing, but being turned around by the barriers. Not a crime...
Yes, my bad. I am SO much smarter now... it will never happen again. However, I had NO experience with police this way. They are not people I'm supposed to have to defend myself against. I wasn't ready... I thought the people were lying when they exclaimed, "I ain een haaa dat, he pit dat on me!!!" It sounded like SUCH a lie. (I was a sheltered kid.) but this was a real eye-opener. I WATCHED 3 white cops search the alley intently looking on the ground while the other cop unlawfully searched his licensed and insured vehicle with the "reason" we were stopped being, not halting long enough at a stop sign (a lie too, we were looking for a thru street back across.)
Then the cop talked shit the whole time in the car on the way... accusations and taunts.
Oh! And I'm not trying to convince you or anyone. This info is for me and WHY I'M so convinced of what I say, despite the statistics. I know without doubt that it happens often.
I was SHOCKED when I told "my publ def" about the incident and got that response. I felt pushed into a corner. And im sure that it was intended.
I hope it happens again. You, and everyone else will know. And they will NOT get away with it this time.
I wish a--- would!!!
I brought it up because your initial question has burned into the back of my mind from the start.
People who rob stores DON'T make spectacles of themselves. They get little... as the hood would say.The stories keep pouring in... but the main thing is...why was DW talking to them? He had no knowledge of cigarillo theft.
Street sweeping??? Why??? Laws about jay walking? Don't people get tickets for that? Bullets seem harsh.I KNEW you'd catch that!
Come on! That was a misplaced joke on the end there. I'm being stern right now...
Take two...he was shot for NOTHING.
Well they didn't RUSH him out of this "busy" road after he was dead.
Must not've been so busy...
Big Daddy Cop gave an ORDER and he stopped with his gun readily available???
Sure makes me wonder...
Was he brandishing?
Did he pistol whip the boy with the butt of the gun after he pulled him in??? Needed to rinse dat off???
The way that they approach, and probe, and order... it is a bit much. Do you think ALL OF US are lying??? With SO MANY people saying theyve had the SAME experiences??? Nevermind... we BOTH know how THAT one goes...
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Policemen are supposed to be held to a certain standard. And I guess they are, for the most part. They only have 13% leeway...
No way, should an officer be allowed to tell a citizen, ugly or no, to get the fuck out of anywhere.- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
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Someone earlier said that fewer police indicate less crime. The fewer the cop...the more civility. Not the other way around. I tend to lean there. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The cop who takes in what you say, is the worst cop of them all. God himself gave us the right to freedoms. That's what liberty means. God given... inalienable. No cop has a right to take it away. NO... he is NOT the boss... NO... he does not have the right to talk to me any way he wishes, nor does he have an ability to be an ass to me and my people.... messes up my pursuit of happiness.
I'm no one's child. And I feel I have a RIGHT to say so.
Cops abuse their powers... take the sh#t tooooo far.
Living in the city is not so bad, if you can steer clear of the cops.
Someone told them that they were the BOSS with RIGHTS that actually stretch beyond the scope of their power. Must be respected, right or wrong????? You jest. Lol...
I kinda resent your statement about where I live. But hey... what's one itty-bitty put down among friends, eh???
I'm saving mine for the perfect moment.- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
LOL, that has to be the funniest statement I've ever read.
It would only be 'reverse racism' if . . .
. . . you went back in time, to before Europe colonized the world, convinced the indigenous people of South America, North America, Africa and Asia to invade Europe; set up a trans-atlantic slave trade where white people were exported to work on plantations; ruined Europe over the course of several hundred years, bleeding it dry of it's natural resources so all the white people wanted to migrate to where all the black people live (to the point where black people refer to white people as 'bugs invading our homes'); set up systems that privilege black people at every conceivable social and political level so that white people lose hope of any real self-determination; then as a final flourish, subject white people to black people's standard of beauty so that some white people start to hate the color of their own skin, eyes and hair. Now that would truly be reverse racism.
Unless that happens, your cry of 'reverse racism' is actually just some white people getting annoyed, upset and confused that black people don't want to take a bunch of crap any more, and even worse that some white people actually understand where the the black people are coming from! Newsflash: that isn't racism, 'reverse' or otherwise, it's progress. I'm sorry it apparently upsets you that people don't want to be treated unfairly because of the color of their skin, but you know what I detest as much as racists? People who claim to "despise racists" but who are happy to maintain the status quo while it benefits them, and when it looks like there is a chance they may lose their privilege, decide to cry 'reverse racism'. Does this look familiar to you . . .
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
It aint the "white bread" I'm dizzy about... it's the cops! White/Black alike.
But what has affirmative action done to you and Wilderness???
There is a reason it exists...
See, just 60 years ago, there was a different slewing of the Black population. White people thought of all kinds of ways to kill human beings (with the wrong skin). ...member??? Some of the most criminal criminality came from police, judges, sheriffs, doctors, lawyers, farmers, hiding behind white sheets to ensure that the ones suckling their babies the previous generation were afraid to be around them.
Idiots forgot their fathers brought these walking deaths to this country by force (hook or crook) to work.
They had NO notions of sharing the wealth... still don't. But it's too many of us for a mass grave. So, it must be dealt with.
Trust me, affirmative action is not the gift you seem to think it is... it's a bandaid on a gaping wound. But without it... welfare participants (along with the MANY white people who suck up tax dollars to at least feed kids for most of the month.) would skyrocket!
P.S
Though it is a well-guarded secret. A LOT of Blacks are NOT welfare recipients... and a LOT of whites aren't either...
White people HATE to give jobs to blacks...
But realistically, I know many white people. Some of them are among my best friends.
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Now, it's cool if you don't want to talk. But to blame it on one's desire to remain the "victim" is wrong. It's HORRIBLE being the poor victim.
Wanting to change the stupid ideas about/treatment of, people i grew up with is obvious, I thought. But now U mad (angry)??? Because you want to change the situation, and I'm only wallowing in it with my race cards??? You do not find one iota of silly, in that statement??? You want change more than I??? Please grip yourself... you could not possibly want to change the shituations that we are faced with daily, anymore than us'n
I STILL love you, and I will miss your bright and shiny optimism.
And did I HAVE to know about your deleted response or your exit from conversation with my hopelessness? You're about to catch up with all the other parties who must announce their exit, their absence, self-imposed bans, and desire to never speak to me and my ridiculousness again. (Until next time...
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When I exit... I just exit...
Though I usually have to be pushed from the page. I have NO problems responding to the absolute worst of them.I read that Dorian Johnson, semi-friend of Mike Brown, and the closest eyewitness to the shooting, now has a city job... some type of temporary something, but a job he didn't have before the shooting and he works for the city...
I WONDERED what happened to him, and his testimony...
The city... they are SO "kind" to give that guy a job in the middle of all that happened. That he saw...
Yeah Missouri!!!- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
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