Is God An Energy?
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knlub2 wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
Everything in the non-physical world is energy. Energy never dies but your physical body does.
I don't believe in a god but I believe in a powerful energy that runs the Universe.
Scientist and physicists are opening up a whole new view of the Universe with energy. Something as small as an electron can anticipate your thoughts. Your thoughts are energy. How weird is that?Tim-- Oh but there is a God... God is everything. You say you don't believe in God, but in a strong energy force...but that force you speak of is God... God is not a person, it's everything (us, the trees, the rocks, the moon, etc). God is light, God is all that exists.
Then why on earth do you chose to use a word that means a being?
By any one's definition "God" with a Capital G, surely has to have a personality?
And if "God" is all that exists, does this God need to be worshipped? Does this God have rules for us to follow? Does this God need to be believed in?
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LeslieAdrienne wrote:
getitrite wrote:
SO GOD IS ALL OF THE ABOVE, BUT HE CAN'T EVEN ANSWER A PRAYER!
WOW!!! Sorry you are disappointed with God.
I hope you don't give up on Him... 
Would you be disappointed if you realize there was no God?
I'm sure you would be. For the fact that you would then be forced to accept everything in your and you'd have no meaning, unless you provide one for yourself.
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HOOWANTSTONO wrote:
The "Word of God " is also " The Light of God" the Word became flesh so did the Light become flesh, and the Light is the life and so is the Blood of Christ the Light of God. Life is in the blood thats why its called "Plasma" .
So God dwells in man and also controls all things with the Light, Spiritual and PhysicalThis information is out of context and isn't meant for what you might think.
The 'play' on of the words, is to make you think there is a god- only so you can be manipulated.
Jesus Christ was a teacher, not a prophet, nothing more than a human male, who felt like a GOD, because he was able to think for himself.
It's more complex to make you understand, but I'll leave it there for now. knlub2 wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
Everything in the non-physical world is energy. Energy never dies but your physical body does.
I don't believe in a god but I believe in a powerful energy that runs the Universe.
Scientist and physicists are opening up a whole new view of the Universe with energy. Something as small as an electron can anticipate your thoughts. Your thoughts are energy. How weird is that?Tim-- Oh but there is a God... God is everything. You say you don't believe in God, but in a strong energy force...but that force you speak of is God... God is not a person, it's everything (us, the trees, the rocks, the moon, etc). God is light, God is all that exists.
You just described reality, perception, nature! Why can't energy just be energy, and God just be God?
Have you ever been around a person and for whatever reason you were like "Yikes, there is 'something' about that person I just don't like". I believe in those instances we are sensitive to the energy they give off. Or, perhaps "Gosh, I love being around that person or thing....I feel so happy." Again their energy.
If you ponder these questions read the book "Conversations with God". Even those who do not believe in God would learn from this. I'm not one to push beliefs one way or the other but when I started questioning myself and my belief system as in "there must be something more." I read that book and it enlightened me and changed my whole way of thinking.God is indeed Eneregy, this is my own independent conclusion based on my scinetific knowledge and some religious studies I conducted after reaching this verdict. Before reaching this verdict I had not studied any religious scriptures, but only posessed scientific (O Level Physics) knowledge.
Based on my logical reasoning I reached this conclusion after 3 years of pondering.
1. Firstly for those who may ask, before I can even begin explaing that God cannot be anything other than Energy, the question being where did God or Energy come from, or who created God or this Energy.
The answer is very simple, why should God or the Energy need to have come from somewhere in the first place? why can't we just accept that it must have been there from the begining and will remain so forever and that the state of nothing or nothingness does not really exist, or in other words God or Energy never needed to be created or having come from anywhere, it was always there and existed in every corner of space within our universe and outside of our universe, it (Energy/God) has no dimension, its dimension are limitless, and it may or may not occupy dimensions that we can't even think of.
Its same as the scientists beleive (yes they believ since they cannot prove it so far) that universe consists 80-85% of something which they cannot see, they call this dark matter or dark energy. Their calculations state that it has to exist, yet they are unable to see or detect this invisible energy!!
So what is wrong with my saying that God must exist in order for the Universe to have been created after all we know that the universe was created billions of years ago in a so called big bang!
Remeber what Eienstein said that Energy cannot be destroyed nor craeted, hence why God could not have been created nor destroyed, God portrays all attributes of Energy, which is invisible (like electricity for example is mighty powerfull yet invisible) but we see what electricity can do for us, same way we cannot see God but we can see his creation., his effects are everywhere!! for now this installment ends here.2nd installment ---God being Energy
So one time the space looked empty, there seems to be nothing solid or physical that could be seen, felt, as matter with physical properties such as our universe which consists of billions upon billions of galaxies each with billions of stars!!
So you might ask where did this stuff, huge matter eminated from? then I suddenly remembered having come acrossa a statment in my physics class that.....All matter is composed of Energy!!
Wow, yes indeed, the physical matter was indeed created through vast amounts of Energy, and so when the universe was not there, the space (being infinitum with infinitum dimensions) was indeed full of something that no one could have seen even if they had eyes, so it would seem empty, but yet it could not have been empty or unoccupied, it must have been filled with some invisible stuff or energy or unseen substance, just like you cannot see magnetic fields or magnetic lines of force, and same as we cannot see Gravitational lines of force, or waves or whatever else you may want to call it, but this force exists between every atom against every other atom throughout the universe.
So a time came when this energy/God felt the urge to creat matter out of itself, out of this invisible energy, hence the big bang was initiated, the ever so expanding universe, that after some 15 Billion years later seems like we are the only planet in this huge place with some intelligent life!!
I won't go into how we were created, that is irrelavent for this discussion, we could have been created by some other intelligent being like we can cloned dolly the sheep or we simply evolved from apes!! I don't have any arguments over this subject!
So now we know how the invisible Energy managed to creat matter out of itself, still leaving plenty more around!
You may ask what prompted God/Energy to creat a universe, I have two thoughts here:
a) it may be an automatic cyclic process, such that when energy levels in the space/dimension/time increases to trigger levels then a big bang initiates automatically as the enrgy density reaches a critical trigger point, without anyone's intervention, hence no need for anyone to trigger.
Now imagine, if we were to obliterate all matter in the universe such that all physicalo matter was destroyed, this would unleash vast amounts of Energy and add to the rest of the energy that exists and we cannot see it, this would increase the overall energy levels or the energy desnity to a critical point again such that another big bang trigger automatically!
When this happens again, then some 15 or so billion years later another intelligent life forms on a new earth somewhere and they too destroys the matter and we are all matter is decomposed back into energy so the cycle goes on and on!
This cycle can repeat indefinitely every so many billions of years.
b) Or this energy may be personal, and intelligent capable of thinking and acting to trigger the creation of the universe, but I cannot be sure of this. Like scientists assume a lot of things, so can I.
So far, energy exploded and matter was created, with this creation gravity, time, magentic forces, nuclkear forces, and light earth water air was created, and we got evolved through these processes in time, hence we are here today!!
Finally I will conclude my post by saying why I beleive that God or enrgy created the universe, thats because who else could have created it? as an example, say there were two people in a room, person A and person B, and they sat across a table and there was a pound coin sitting on the table, A gets up and tells B to excuse him for a minute to visit bathroom, when A returns he finds the pound coin gone missing! since there was no one else around apart from A & B so logically B must have taken the coin, similarly, all matter must have been created from God himself, (or from Energy itsel)as there was none other than him to have created the universe.
And Energy must have always existed, if it did not, we would not be here today debating this, as nothing would then have been created or existed! not even God!My 3rd and Final Part.
Now I am a non-religious person, I beleive in a creator (God) but I belong to no religion, but have looked into all religions on what their concept of God is: here is what I found to my pleasant surprise:-
Hindu Holy book called Sri Bhagwad Gita: on its 1st Page, surprsie surprsie it stated clearly that God is an Ultimate Source of all Enrgies!!
The Bible says: It is by faith that we belive that God created universe from something we cannot see into something we can!!
The Sikh religious teachings also emphasise that God is Energy and Energy is God!!
Thye holy Koran indicates God as Light!!
so there you go! what more proof or evidence do you need, all I can say is that perhaphs it will always be beyond our reach to understand God, perhaphs we will never attain enough intelligence to crack him, or his existence, but we have sufficient intelligence to deduce certain predictions and sure we cannot be wrong! ask your selves, how can scientists be so sure that certain things what they say are true!! Scientists have always moved goal posts, when new things have been discovered, and let us not deny, Scientists themselves are on the look out for God and our existence otherwise they woulkd not spend billions on sending space probes to outer space!!It is much easier to think of God or Energy as some Mighty Being, and address God as Him, its easier for us to grasp this term rather than anything else, I see no reason why we cannot refer to God as anything else, but would you refer to God as "that mighty thing!"
Mikedelta wrote:
2nd installment ---God being Energy
So one time the space looked empty, there seems to be nothing solid or physical that could be seen, felt, as matter with physical properties such as our universe which consists of billions upon billions of galaxies each with billions of stars!!
So you might ask where did this stuff, huge matter eminated from? then I suddenly remembered having come acrossa a statment in my physics class that.....All matter is composed of Energy!!
Wow, yes indeed, the physical matter was indeed created through vast amounts of Energy, and so when the universe was not there, the space (being infinitum with infinitum dimensions) was indeed full of something that no one could have seen even if they had eyes, so it would seem empty, but yet it could not have been empty or unoccupied, it must have been filled with some invisible stuff or energy or unseen substance, just like you cannot see magnetic fields or magnetic lines of force, and same as we cannot see Gravitational lines of force, or waves or whatever else you may want to call it, but this force exists between every atom against every other atom throughout the universe.
So a time came when this energy/God felt the urge to creat matter out of itself, out of this invisible energy, hence the big bang was initiated, the ever so expanding universe, that after some 15 Billion years later seems like we are the only planet in this huge place with some intelligent life!!
I won't go into how we were created, that is irrelavent for this discussion, we could have been created by some other intelligent being like we can cloned dolly the sheep or we simply evolved from apes!! I don't have any arguments over this subject!
So now we know how the invisible Energy managed to creat matter out of itself, still leaving plenty more around!
You may ask what prompted God/Energy to creat a universe, I have two thoughts here:
a) it may be an automatic cyclic process, such that when energy levels in the space/dimension/time increases to trigger levels then a big bang initiates automatically as the enrgy density reaches a critical trigger point, without anyone's intervention, hence no need for anyone to trigger.
Now imagine, if we were to obliterate all matter in the universe such that all physicalo matter was destroyed, this would unleash vast amounts of Energy and add to the rest of the energy that exists and we cannot see it, this would increase the overall energy levels or the energy desnity to a critical point again such that another big bang trigger automatically!
When this happens again, then some 15 or so billion years later another intelligent life forms on a new earth somewhere and they too destroys the matter and we are all matter is decomposed back into energy so the cycle goes on and on!
This cycle can repeat indefinitely every so many billions of years.
b) Or this energy may be personal, and intelligent capable of thinking and acting to trigger the creation of the universe, but I cannot be sure of this. Like scientists assume a lot of things, so can I.
So far, energy exploded and matter was created, with this creation gravity, time, magentic forces, nuclkear forces, and light earth water air was created, and we got evolved through these processes in time, hence we are here today!!
Finally I will conclude my post by saying why I beleive that God or enrgy created the universe, thats because who else could have created it? as an example, say there were two people in a room, person A and person B, and they sat across a table and there was a pound coin sitting on the table, A gets up and tells B to excuse him for a minute to visit bathroom, when A returns he finds the pound coin gone missing! since there was no one else around apart from A & B so logically B must have taken the coin, similarly, all matter must have been created from God himself, (or from Energy itsel)as there was none other than him to have created the universe.
And Energy must have always existed, if it did not, we would not be here today debating this, as nothing would then have been created or existed! not even God!
You state that:
"Remeber what Eienstein said that Energy cannot be destroyed nor craeted, hence why God could not have been created nor destroyed, God portrays all attributes of Energy, which is invisible (like electricity for example is mighty powerfull yet invisible) but we see what electricity can do for us, same way we cannot see God but we can see his creation., his effects are everywhere!! for now this installment ends here.?
You also state:
"So you might ask where did this stuff, huge matter eminated from? then I suddenly remembered having come acrossa a statment in my physics class that.....All matter is composed of Energy!!"
and
"Wow, yes indeed, the physical matter was indeed created through vast amounts of Energy,"
If all matter is, "created through vast amounts of energy", doesn't that make matter energy? So which is it? Is or isn't energy created?
I am pretty sure you side with Einstein, because of your previous statement, however; using the word transferred in your created statements would clear up any ambiguity. The conservation of energy adds that energy is simply transferred from one form to another.Thanks for your comments ediggity, in one way you could say that matter is Energy, only because energy was used to make it up, but I think it would be more correct to say that matter is composed of Energy, exactly how Energy gets composed into matter is beyond my understanding, I did some search on the web, and I beleive some Scientists have managed to creat one or two atoms of some substance using vast amounts of Energy (Energy here would mean electrical power or perhaphs even lasers) I think the University of Sanford in America carried out this experiment, when I find the link I will place it here for refernce.
I beleive that matter eminated from Energy,
I beleive that Energy was never created and had always existed throughout, and all the time, before or even after the creation of the universe, just that its density levels may change from performing this conversion, such as during the creation of the matter the enrgy levels may be less dense, and with matter being destroyed back into energy and then energy levels start to increase and reaching critical point and then this triggers or activating the big bang so the cycle goes on forever.
It is easier for us all to see something when something actualy exists physically, but we don't see something which isn't physical, but we may see its effects, we refer to that state as nothing or empty when we don't see something, for example a glass of water can be said to be empty wheh there is no water in it, but the glass can never be empty, it contains, air, if air is evacuated from the glass, then it still has something inside we cannot see, and that is magnetic and garvity lines of forces or waves passing through it or inside the galss, a magnetic field can pass or cross through a glass so the volume inside the glass must contain these lines of forc and same goes for gravity, light can also be said to exist in an empty evacuated glass.
but in essence if something is invisible, and has no physical properties then we cannot possibly see it no matter how hard we try, we may however detect its presence through certain other instruments or indirect signs of its existence
I reached this conclusion when I asked myself a question some years ago, that if assuming God did exists like most people beleive, then how did he get all the matter to create a universe as gigantic as we see it today, I mean how and where did he (God) get his raw material to form the solar system, millions of other planets and endless stars and galaxies ?
After 3 years of pondering and asking many scolars, no one could answer my question and all kept saying one thing: stop worrying about how God created unniverse, just take it he did it because he is the Almighty and he only has to user a word and it gets created, well I did not settle for that answer so I continued alone one day I found the answer and could not belive how simple that answerv was, and reached a sudden conclusion that indeed as I was explaining how two people in a room sat across a table, with a pound coin, when A went to use the bath and came back to find the pound coin gone missing, so naturally, or logically the coin must have been taken by person B, so similarly for God to have required vast amounts of matter to form the universe, he couldn't have gone to B&Q, or Wickes to buy his sand and cement if you know what I mean, since the general belief is that before the universe there was nothing and none other than God only, so where did the matter come from? ....and the answer I reached was that naturally if there was no one else apart from God and nothing else existed, then all the stuff or the matter or the universe must have eminated from God, thats my logical conclusion.
But immediately after I reached this verdict, I felt very relieved, indeed my explaination fitted those of scientists such as Einsteins's thoghts on Energy and matter, like his famous E=MC2, but immediately this arose another question in my mind and I am glad that the second question did not take me 3 years to get the answer, so within about 10 minutes I came up with a answer to my second question that arose out of the 1st Question,
so the second question was ...How did God create the matter out of himself, or itself, then thats when I remembered having heard many many years ago in my physics class that "All matter is composed of Energy" and I am glad I paid attention to this statment many years ago although I remembered it meant nothing to me at the time!!
I also think that what we know so far is not enough to crack God, and his mysteries, and I also belive that altogether we may all be totally wrong on any of our concepts of God! may be it is impossible for any human or other intelligent being to even find the truth about our existence, and of course we are all hard trying to find the answer, yes indeed. We all want to know the truth don't we.Mikedelta wrote:
Thanks for your comments ediggity, in one way you could say that matter is Energy, only because energy was used to make it up, but I think it would be more correct to say that matter is composed of Energy, exactly how Energy gets composed into matter is beyond my understanding, I did some search on the web, and I beleive some Scientists have managed to creat one or two atoms of some substance using vast amounts of Energy (Energy here would mean electrical power or perhaphs even lasers) I think the University of Sanford in America carried out this experiment, when I find the link I will place it here for refernce.
I beleive that matter eminated from Energy,
I beleive that Energy was never created and had always existed throughout, and all the time, before or even after the creation of the universe, just that its density levels may change from performing this conversion, such as during the creation of the matter the enrgy levels may be less dense, and with matter being destroyed back into energy and then energy levels start to increase and reaching critical point and then this triggers or activating the big bang so the cycle goes on forever.
It is easier for us all to see something when something actualy exists physically, but we don't see something which isn't physical, but we may see its effects, we refer to that state as nothing or empty when we don't see something, for example a glass of water can be said to be empty wheh there is no water in it, but the glass can never be empty, it contains, air, if air is evacuated from the glass, then it still has something inside we cannot see, and that is magnetic and garvity lines of forces or waves passing through it or inside the galss, a magnetic field can pass or cross through a glass so the volume inside the glass must contain these lines of forc and same goes for gravity, light can also be said to exist in an empty evacuated glass.
but in essence if something is invisible, and has no physical properties then we cannot possibly see it no matter how hard we try, we may however detect its presence through certain other instruments or indirect signs of its existence
I reached this conclusion when I asked myself a question some years ago, that if assuming God did exists like most people beleive, then how did he get all the matter to create a universe as gigantic as we see it today, I mean how and where did he (God) get his raw material to form the solar system, millions of other planets and endless stars and galaxies ?
After 3 years of pondering and asking many scolars, no one could answer my question and all kept saying one thing: stop worrying about how God created unniverse, just take it he did it because he is the Almighty and he only has to user a word and it gets created, well I did not settle for that answer so I continued alone one day I found the answer and could not belive how simple that answerv was, and reached a sudden conclusion that indeed as I was explaining how two people in a room sat across a table, with a pound coin, when A went to use the bath and came back to find the pound coin gone missing, so naturally, or logically the coin must have been taken by person B, so similarly for God to have required vast amounts of matter to form the universe, he couldn't have gone to B&Q, or Wickes to buy his sand and cement if you know what I mean, since the general belief is that before the universe there was nothing and none other than God only, so where did the matter come from? ....and the answer I reached was that naturally if there was no one else apart from God and nothing else existed, then all the stuff or the matter or the universe must have eminated from God, thats my logical conclusion.
But immediately after I reached this verdict, I felt very relieved, indeed my explaination fitted those of scientists such as Einsteins's thoghts on Energy and matter, like his famous E=MC2, but immediately this arose another question in my mind and I am glad that the second question did not take me 3 years to get the answer, so within about 10 minutes I came up with a answer to my second question that arose out of the 1st Question,
so the second question was ...How did God create the matter out of himself, or itself, then thats when I remembered having heard many many years ago in my physics class that "All matter is composed of Energy" and I am glad I paid attention to this statment many years ago although I remembered it meant nothing to me at the time!!
I also think that what we know so far is not enough to crack God, and his mysteries, and I also belive that altogether we may all be totally wrong on any of our concepts of God! may be it is impossible for any human or other intelligent being to even find the truth about our existence, and of course we are all hard trying to find the answer, yes indeed. We all want to know the truth don't we.Yes, I agree to a point. However, to add to your statement I believe:
In one way you could say that energy is GOD, only because GOD was used to make it up,
I don't think GOD is energy, because GOD can create or destroy it, and that wouldn't side with the scientific properties of energy as we know it.A curious thread. I'm wondering if someone can point out which energy has exactly the same characteristics and properties as what has been described in scriptures that would quantify as a god? Potential energy? Electromagnetic energy?
(Q) wrote:
A curious thread. I'm wondering if someone can point out which energy has exactly the same characteristics and properties as what has been described in scriptures that would quantify as a god? Potential energy? Electromagnetic energy?
I don't really understand your question, because everything described in the BIBLE is made from matter.
With energy you only get two choices, potential or kinetic.ediggity wrote:
(Q) wrote:
A curious thread. I'm wondering if someone can point out which energy has exactly the same characteristics and properties as what has been described in scriptures that would quantify as a god? Potential energy? Electromagnetic energy?
I don't really understand your question, because everything described in the BIBLE is made from matter.
With energy you only get two choices, potential or kinetic.True, it just appeared the responses here did not take that into consideration and were attempting to "pigeonhole" a specific type of energy that would be categorized under potential or kinetic, not just potential or kinetic.
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Shealy Healy wrote:
I have been pondering lately the idea that God is energy. Now, of course God is energy. But, somehow lately I have begun to see this fact in a new way. I think all matter is a creation of God. So, why wouldn't I see God as an energy? Well, lately it seems there is a secret bit of God that is inside of me-and you-just waiting for us to explore.
So, what I have been pondering is-why would spirit be within us but not just freely flowing in a manner that we can easily access it. Why would God exist as a spiral of energy at the base of your root chakra just waiting to be released. I think my real question is-why not have this bundle of energy so talkative and loud that everyone feels it, knows it and works to achieve it? So many just walk around blindly not realizing their full potential. Why?I believe that not only is He an energy, He is the source of ALL energy. Everything is energy (Einstein's Theory of Relativity).
In the end we all go back to Him, and if we are good and attract good things, then we will be naturally drawn to His goodness. That's my theory, anyways.
And I don't feel the need to scientifically explain why I believe what I believe. I know that we send out thoughts and prayers (energy), and we bring about what we think about. I believe that God is the Mastermind behind all of it.I think I will have to say that since we don't really truely know the absolute truth, we can only generalise things here, the Energy I refer to would be the ultimate source of all other energies, i.e. it will be the fundamental block of all other smaller energies, I woulodn't know for sure if for instance Electricity is any more powerfull than say Nuclear Energy, but we know nuclear energy is more powerfull since it yields energy by splitting atoms out of existence hence matter converts back to Energy, and this energy unleashed creates vast amounts of heat we know. As in a nuclear reactor which provides the heat to make steam to run turbines to generate electricity using electromagntic force, so most of these are all interdependend on one another somewhat.
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Shealy Healy wrote:
I have been pondering lately the idea that God is energy. Now, of course God is energy. But, somehow lately I have begun to see this fact in a new way. I think all matter is a creation of God. So, why wouldn't I see God as an energy? Well, lately it seems there is a secret bit of God that is inside of me-and you-just waiting for us to explore.
So, what I have been pondering is-why would spirit be within us but not just freely flowing in a manner that we can easily access it. Why would God exist as a spiral of energy at the base of your root chakra just waiting to be released. I think my real question is-why not have this bundle of energy so talkative and loud that everyone feels it, knows it and works to achieve it? So many just walk around blindly not realizing their full potential. Why?Because when mankind fell God did not want him to live forever in his fallen state (separated from God) So only those who seek God in spirit and truth can find him (those who seek to be like him)Otherwise man would discover the secrets to the Tree of Life (unity) and live forever in tormented states of mind, ill health and so on. God is merciful
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Evolution Guy wrote:
knlub2 wrote:
TimTurner wrote:
Everything in the non-physical world is energy. Energy never dies but your physical body does.
I don't believe in a god but I believe in a powerful energy that runs the Universe.
Scientist and physicists are opening up a whole new view of the Universe with energy. Something as small as an electron can anticipate your thoughts. Your thoughts are energy. How weird is that?Tim-- Oh but there is a God... God is everything. You say you don't believe in God, but in a strong energy force...but that force you speak of is God... God is not a person, it's everything (us, the trees, the rocks, the moon, etc). God is light, God is all that exists.
Then why on earth do you chose to use a word that means a being?
By any one's definition "God" with a Capital G, surely has to have a personality?
And if "God" is all that exists, does this God need to be worshipped? Does this God have rules for us to follow? Does this God need to be believed in?God does not need to be worshiped. God created the universe in order to give. But the universe could not contain God and shattered. The desire to give to a receiver created polar opposites. In order to give you must have a willing receiver otherwise the giver would be a demanding force, one who forces his energy on us. In order to receive we must be willing. If we are willing to receive of God, it is worship. Just like the desire to give to a receiver automatically created a difference in the two.
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No, god is a figment of the imagination that is unsupportable.
