Should islamics have an open house in mecca?
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Good muslims commited to breaking steriotypes should open up mecca for Christian and Jewish tourists to show they want to be part of the world community. This would help develop trust between all religions and promote peace in the middle east. Watcha-think?
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C'mon don't be PC your whole life!
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
C'mon don't be PC your whole life!
I would think absolutely except some one would Cary a bomb in there and blow the place up. Who knows
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If you're not muslim you're not allowed in. Their rules, not mine.
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
Good muslims commited to breaking steriotypes should open up mecca for Christian and Jewish tourists to show they want to be part of the world community. This would help develop trust between all religions and promote peace in the middle east. Watcha-think?
Its a good point and yes if it does happen it will help creating tolerance between religions immensely.
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
Good muslims commited to breaking steriotypes should open up mecca for Christian and Jewish tourists to show they want to be part of the world community. This would help develop trust between all religions and promote peace in the middle east. Watcha-think?
I think it would be for the best if they did. But not during the Hajj, simply because there is already a dangerous number of pilgrims in Mecca at that time. Each year, people are crushed, suffocated or killed by heatstroke and exhaustion despite best efforts at crowd control.
Even a few 'open days' would be a useful gesture.sneakorocksolid wrote:
Good muslims commited to breaking steriotypes should open up mecca for Christian and Jewish tourists to show they want to be part of the world community. This would help develop trust between all religions and promote peace in the middle east. Watcha-think?
Many places of Islamic worship are open to the public and invite visitors all the time. Why is it necessary for outsiders to see Mecca? This is just a result of not understanding faith. If the religion interests you, go to a local Mosque. Just because a person wants to know something about it, doesn’t give him or her a right to go to the center. Just because the West openly invites anyone to see inside our buildings, and any sort of infrastructure, doesn’t mean the rest of the world needs to follow along. We (in the West) are taught that everything is equal and has rights and that everyone should be the same way. Yet, isn’t that a sense of rule? If some one wants to keep something to his or herself, that person is berated for being closed off and hiding something (in a negative fashion). Though I abdicate democracy and its values, it is easy for me to see why countries that do not adhere to this value system get constantly pissed at us. By saying that they are wrong for not following our rules, aren’t we forcing our freedoms on people? If that isn’t an oxymoron… And to claim that we (Western Europe and the US) are an absolute truth in our assumptions is so ludicrous that I do not feel the need to provide examples. It is so backhanded and filled with double-talk that it is no wonder that the Middle East has no respect. Do they suppress the masses? Yes. Do they inhibit free press? Yes. But nowhere in there actions do they claim to be contrary. They claim to act justified, but we confuse this with our own justifications. If the “truly” open minded Left meant what is said, they would openly stand in opposition and battle this (which many groups do). And though this would not promote peace, nor would it suddenly make them love us, the Middle East would respect us. I have no problem with their system at the moment, because their main gripe (for a lack of a better term) do they claim anything other than our meddling in their business. I feel a lot of the problems do come from our need to be involved. So if we choose to elect people that want to meddle, then we have to be ready for a fight. Or at the least, a lot of angry people.
We (as non-Muslims) have no right to go to Mecca unless invited. We are not invited. And just because the Pope lets outsiders into the Vatican, doesn’t mean that everyone else should. I don’t see anyone protesting against any Buddhist monasteries that do not allow visitors. But since we feel it is threat, we feel need to be there? ridiculous.
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@twalker - I don't think anyone's suggesting asking Saudi to open the gates. I saw the OP as hypothetical. Of course they have the right to do as they wish. However, if they chose to allow a few more visitors, e.g. study groups, it might be no bad thing. Personally, I wouldn't go, having spent enough time in Saudi already.
Paraglider wrote:
@twalker - I don't think anyone's suggesting asking Saudi to open the gates. I saw the OP as hypothetical. Of course they have the right to do as they wish. However, if they chose to allow a few more visitors, e.g. study groups, it might be no bad thing. Personally, I wouldn't go, having spent enough time in Saudi already.
I may naturally write in too aggressive a tone, because I agree that if they do invite others in to study, dictate and explain the events, it would promote a better world. I just feel that the western culture is, by its nature, intrusive and hypocritical. We enjoy a lot aspect in life others don't. What happens is that we think that everyone must share in this "happiness" (another natural reaction). Yet, it contradicts itself when we do not allow others come that conclusion on their own. Most Americans do not realize, or at least cannot connect, the idea that even our freedoms are quite different from Europe. But we just have our little quabbles since we generally feel the same. When we intract with drastically different cultures, that is when it actually can get out of hand. Imposing freedoms are the same as imposing values. The west and the Middle East do not share those values. Though I understand it a hypothetical, the poster did state that political correctness be left out.
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Paraglider wrote:
sneakorocksolid wrote:
Good muslims commited to breaking steriotypes should open up mecca for Christian and Jewish tourists to show they want to be part of the world community. This would help develop trust between all religions and promote peace in the middle east. Watcha-think?
I think it would be for the best if they did. But not during the Hajj, simply because there is already a dangerous number of pilgrims in Mecca at that time. Each year, people are crushed, suffocated or killed by heatstroke and exhaustion despite best efforts at crowd control.
Even a few 'open days' would be a useful gesture.I'd have to agree. I suppose Hajj wouldn't be a good time to go though. Unless it was a study group. Isn't Hajj where they walk around that thing and throw stones at it which represents throwing stones at the devil? I think that is fascinating. Not to the point of wanting to become a Muslim, just interested.
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Make Money wrote:
I'd have to agree. I suppose Hajj wouldn't be a good time to go though. Unless it was a study group. Isn't Hajj where they walk around that thing and throw stones at it which represents throwing stones at the devil? I think that is fascinating. Not to the point of wanting to become a Muslim, just interested.
Yes that's the one. And as it is one of the pillars of the faith that each Muslim should attend at least once in a lifetime, it's not hard to see why it's standing room only!
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Good question, Sneako and a tough one to answer - it would certainly help to foster understanding between the cultures. Personally, whilst I am no fan of the Saudi rulers, I would love to visit.
We have a similar situation in Greece, with Mount Athos, a peninsula packed with monasteries. No women are allowed, and the number of non-Orthodox men allowed to visit is very restricted. It is not important what anyone's opinion is on the matter - it is regarded as a semi-autonomous country and they get to set their own rules.
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Then maybe Mormons could allow anyone into their churches. And then, maybe we should get Scientology to open up their doors too...
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Uninvited Writer wrote:
Then maybe Mormons could allow anyone into their churches. And then, maybe we should get Scientology to open up their doors too...
And then maybe the Catholics can open up their secret vaults and be open about their financial investments. Then - finally - peace.
Although - let's be honest here. The OP was more interested in stirring up trouble than genuinely thinking that allowing heathens to visit Mecca would foster peace in the Middle East.- 97
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Evolution Guy wrote:
Uninvited Writer wrote:
Then maybe Mormons could allow anyone into their churches. And then, maybe we should get Scientology to open up their doors too...
And then maybe the Catholics can open up their secret vaults and be open about their financial investments. Then - finally - peace.
Although - let's be honest here. The OP was more interested in stirring up trouble than genuinely thinking that allowing heathens to visit Mecca would foster peace in the Middle East.I have no doubt
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sneakorocksolid wrote:
Good muslims commited to breaking steriotypes should open up mecca for Christian and Jewish tourists to show they want to be part of the world community. This would help develop trust between all religions and promote peace in the middle east. Watcha-think?
I agree, besides, they are living in this world, and not in isolation....We surely can have cooperation inspite of cultural differences..
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Uninvited Writer wrote:
Evolution Guy wrote:
Uninvited Writer wrote:
Then maybe Mormons could allow anyone into their churches. And then, maybe we should get Scientology to open up their doors too...
And then maybe the Catholics can open up their secret vaults and be open about their financial investments. Then - finally - peace.
Although - let's be honest here. The OP was more interested in stirring up trouble than genuinely thinking that allowing heathens to visit Mecca would foster peace in the Middle East.I have no doubt
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Evolution Guy wrote:
Uninvited Writer wrote:
Then maybe Mormons could allow anyone into their churches. And then, maybe we should get Scientology to open up their doors too...
And then maybe the Catholics can open up their secret vaults and be open about their financial investments. Then - finally - peace.
Although - let's be honest here. The OP was more interested in stirring up trouble than genuinely thinking that allowing heathens to visit Mecca would foster peace in the Middle East.I believe the question was an honest and noble question and was not meant to start any trouble.
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mohitmisra wrote:
I believe the question was an honest and noble question and was not meant to start any trouble."You believe.?"
I suggest you read some of the OPs hubs and other forum posts before making such a statement.
This is the problem with blindly believing without doing any thinking or making any effort.
