Did you know the Taliban went to Texas in 1997?

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   bgamallposted 15 years ago

   Did you know that the real reason we ousted the Taliban and are still fighting in Afghanistan is because Bush Sr and Halliburton have oil interests in the Caspian? Did you know that they need a pipeline in Afghanistan in order to import the oil? Did you know that the Taliban were given the royal treatment by Unocal in Texas in 1997?
   
   Here is the proof: According to a December 17, 1997 article in the British paper, The Telegraph, headlined, "Oil barons court Taliban in Texas," the Taliban was about to sign a "£2 billion contract with an American oil company to build a pipeline across the war-torn country. ... The Islamic warriors appear to have been persuaded to close the deal, not through delicate negotiation but by old-fashioned Texan hospitality. ... Dressed in traditional salwar khameez,Afghan waistcoats and loose, black turbans, the high-ranking delegation was given VIP treatment during the four-day stay."

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   bgamallposted 15 years ago

   It is interesting also to note that Unocal, a Texas oil company was the host of the Taliban. Apparently in 1996 Unocal helped the Taliban by supplying arms, and were counting on them to help pave the way for the pipeline.
   
   Unocal started in California, and its offshore derrick leaked oil into the Santa Barbara channel in 1969. Funny, I was one of the protestors of that spill. Small world.
   
   But Unocal eventually centered operations in Texas, though it has since merged with Chevron.
   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unocal_Corporation
   
   Misha, this Taliban in Texas thing was a real conspiracy. From the site:
   
   Robert Oakley [ex-US ambassador to Pakistan, now Unocal's ad hoc advisory board] advised Miller to reach the Taliban by working through Pakistan's government [then led by Benazir Bhutto]. He also suggested that Unocal hire Thomas Gouttiere, an Afghan specialist at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, to develop a job training program in Kandahar that would teach Pashtuns the technical skills needed to build a pipeline. ... Unocal agreed to pay $900,000 via the University of Nebraska to set up a Unocal training facility on a fifty-six acre site in Kandahar, not far from bin Laden's compounds. ... Gouttiere traveled in and out of Afghanistan and met with Taliban leaders. ... In December 1997 Gouttiere worked with Miller to arrange for ANOTHER Taliban delegation to visit the United States. ...[4]

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   bgamallposted 15 years ago

   Doesn't anyone care that the Taliban, who we accused of terrorism, was hosted lavishly in Texas, with help with arms by Unocal? It boggles the mind that people are not concerned about this outrage. The reason we went into Afghanistan was because the Taliban refused to allow the oil pipeline. This is not a just war.

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   Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

   Can you imagine the kickbacks that are waiting? no wonder the Taliban want be back in power

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   bgamallposted 15 years ago

   If they come back into power I doubt if they would allow the pipeline, unless it was already built. Maybe someone can look into that for us.

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   Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

   Isn't there a country already in agreement with Russia to divert a pipeline thru there?

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   Paragliderposted 15 years ago

   bgamail - I didn't know that, but I am well aware that there's a lot more to Obama's proposed Afghanistan escalation (by any other name) than the official 'kick out the bad guys' party line. We're also discussing this here on the politics forum. I'm going to go there now and link back to this thread. Thanks for the info.

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   SiddSinghposted 15 years ago

   Sounds so much like "Dogs of War". Here is the link if you want to read the full text http://www.counterpunch.org/tomenron.html.
   
   Is it possible that Obama will continue this, if it was corporate greed and Bush complicity that encouraged US participation in Afghanistan? Does HE have any interest in this?

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   bgamallposted 15 years ago

   Obama has an interest in this because I believe he thinks it is in the national interest to have this pipeline. He realizes that the shadow government of the CIA, international banking and energy communities and the CFR would be his enemy if he didn't go through with this.
   
   That is why I couldn't be president. As things stand now, presidents can't really buck the new world order. Why do you think the most continuity in his administration is Tim Geithner and Robert Gates. The folks those two people represent run the world.

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    Paragliderposted 15 years ago

    {{the shadow government of the CIA, international banking and energy communities and the CFR}}
    Why do more people not see the truth of this!

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    Paragliderposted 15 years ago

    {{what is going to happen is going to happen}}
    No argument with that

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    bgamallposted 15 years ago

    The American people have been put to sleep by their prosperity and by the mainsteam press. Once their prosperity becomes threatened they may start to learn. The Europeans and developing nations don't trust government as much and so have a more analytical outlook on theses issues.
    
    We need to educate people about alternative news sources. But there are crackpots out there so there should be good and accurate sources.
    
    Some of the British mainstream papers are pretty bold: especially on Taliban information and about how they went to Texas.
    
    It is funny that PNAC wanting a Pearl Harbor type event, while posting it on their website for years until recently, went unreported in the press. And the Taliban in Texas went unreported. The reasons are clear. If people knew these things they would know the sordid reasons for the US going into Iraq and Afghanistan, and they would have an unpleasant insight into 9/11 and our government involvement.
    
    And funny thing, this is all found on Wikipedia.

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       Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       A lot of us know this. But the onus is on US citizens to stand up to the institutionalised corruption.

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    bgamallposted 15 years ago

    On Face The Nation today we see these pundits totally skirt the issue of why we are in Afghanistan. We are in Afghanistan to secure an oil pipeline. We are there to grab land, if you will. It is a war crime, and it is born out of greed. Anyone who tells their children to serve in the military in this day and age is simply encouraging war criminality.
    
    The US and her bought and paid for mainstream press has become so enamored with the almighty dollar that they are blinding the rest of us. I am ashamed to be a citizen because I know that they are fooling the American people, and they are laughing about it daily.
    
    And most of you do not realize that as citizens of the United States we have a responsibility to speak out. It is a moral duty.

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       AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yes and our government helped create those nasty people.

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          bgamallposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          That is true. The US built these people up to fight the Soviets. This manipulation and building of a really radical muslim movement was really brain dead.
          
          Certainly I find their treatment of women to be against everything I believe, but I can guarantee you that we are not fighting the Taliban because of the treatment of women.
          
          We want that pipeline. It is because of greed and lack of moral sensibility that our government is mired in Afghanistan.

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             GeneriqueMediaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             "We" also put Saddam in power. And to speak of it again.. Who needs progress when you've got profit?
             
             Peace,
             G|M

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    bgpappaposted 15 years ago

    Intereting forum.  The Taliban in Texas was a topic of discussion in Michael Moore's Farenheit 911.  There is video as well.
    
    As for the Unocal connection.  Harmid Karzai, the "President" of Afghanistan, is a forcer Unocal executive.
    
    Odd coincidence or conspiracy, we shall see.

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       bgamallposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       There is no strong evidence that I know of about Karzi but I think he probably was a consultant. I don't have proof though, and it is my opinion only.
       
       I didn't see Farenheit.

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    bgpappaposted 15 years ago

    Farenheit is good for raising questions, although people may disagree on the answers.
    
    I agree that Karzi was consulting.  But remember, I am I not saying there is anything sinister going on, just oddities.  The whole situation is odd.
    
    For the record and to be fair, Karzi did much to defeat the Soviet Union and Taliban as well.

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