To GOP gripes about US military failure in Afghanistan: Piss Off!
I have just recently read articles from GOP congressmen criticizing the Biden Administration for the fall of Kabul with the Afghan leader now on the run.
Looking toward the 20th anniversary of 9-11, I am waiting to hear from the Republicans regarding their sane and sensible solution to this?
We never seem to never learn, short of destroying Pakistan how do we win? The Pakistani government has engaged in duplicity in regard to its resolve to resist the Taliban. Reading articles from our General officers, they say that the enemy has been retreating to Pakistan where they are able to regroup, rearm and refresh with relative comfort. One of the Generals said that it was like trying to mop a floor while the water spigot was constantly running. How futile is that?
Vietnam and even Korea presented similar problems, such is the nature of these kinds of conflicts. Either we need to design new strategies for engagement or avoid them entirely.
What a waste of blood and treasure and what has been accomplished? So much like the fall of Saigon back in 1975.
I challenge the Republicans to take the Kobeyashi Maru test (Star Trek) and show me how they would succeed in a "no win" scenario?There never was a winning scenario that was going to be pursued.
Prior to invading Afghanistan (and then Iraq) when I was situated well enough to have contact with those making the plans/decisions in the Pentagon and 18th ABC it was known that it was a no-win situation.
The effort would have had to be complete, that would include Iran, Syria, Pakistan (an ally who ceded half its nation to the Taliban), Yemen, etc. the type of effort that was given to defeat the Germans and Japanese in WWII.
In that war, there was no quarter, there was no concern for civilian casualties, it was absolute and complete destruction of the enemy without mercy until their complete surrender, even then they were occupied and allowed no independent government.
As such an effort was never going to take place, there was no chance of us ever "winning"... it was merely an occupy and fight for as long as you are there scenario.
The Military Industrial Complex did very well thanks to it as did certain political families that benefited..Hindsight is an easy out -- in my view --- I remember a country that was behind going into the middle east to destroy al-Qaida. After the 9/11 terror attacks on the World Trade Centers in New York and the Pentagon and Islamic terror attacks increasing not only in America but around the world the U.S. decided to seek the al-Qaida militants who had planned the attack in Afghanistan and received support from the Taliban.
That mission was accomplished, it took 20 years, and was finally accomplished under Trump. He gave the military a free hand to destroy al-Qaeda.
I have read a few articles in regard to what the GOP is saying about what they see as Biden's administration mistakes in how they mishandled the withdraw of Americans and Afghans that were working for the US.
It would appear they feel the plan was miscalculated and may put many lives in danger. The Biden White House seems to feel it would take three months for Afgabastand to fall, it took a few weeks... They felt the Afghani army had the ability and equipment to fight back the Taliban and slow them down. This was a miscalculation, the Afgan army folded immediately. So, I don't feel the GOP is griping about US military failure in Afghanistan just the poor planning on getting Americans and those that worked for us out safely.
I agree we had no totally winning. But we did destroy al-Qaeda, train an army, and it was time to leave. Which it just appears the plan was a poor one. We can only hope that all that want to come home will be lifted unharmed. This morning it looks like evacuation has taken a turn, and has become dangerous.
We needed to pull out, perhaps we should not have ever committed to the war, but we did, and many after the 9/11 attack were all for the war.
I have no problem with pulling out, it's the poor planning I object to.
My problem is once again with a president that is not qualified to lead. IMO he is weak, and a very poor problem solver. I am fearful of where this country is headed with such an inept man non-sensical president.
And at this point, when lives are at risk I could care less about the Military-Industrial Complex doing well.
What we will remember about this pul out is did people die, and what could have been done to have prevented those deaths. Recall Benghazi and all the ridiculous hindsight. What I remember is Americans were killed
due to a poor response by our Government.
Hopefully, Biden has a bit of luck, and no one is killed. But right now, I would have rather had a safe plan than needing to rely on luck."In that war, there was no quarter, there was no concern for civilian casualties, it was absolute and complete destruction of the enemy without mercy until their complete surrender, even then they were occupied and allowed no independent government."
This is true as the basic nature of total war, we go in half-assed we are doomed to the failure at the outset. Pakistan has been playing footsies with the American government and can be considered a collaborator regarding giving aid and comfort to the Taliban enemy.
I Have an ominous premonition about this Taliban, we may regret not annihilating them at our own peril. They may prove more dangerous than the fascism of the mid 20th Century or the threats faced in the Cold War. With Pakistan next door, being a nuclear power, I dread to think of what is next. It may a take a while for the rest of the planet to recognize the threat, but we cannot do this alone.This is why I believe America is certain to decline drastically in the years ahead.
The Nation's leadership is compromised, corrupt, and unwilling to do what is necessary to win any war, be it military or trade or whatever.
Between the MSM in its entirety being owned by 5 corporations with International Interests; an education system (University level especially) that no longer teaches students to think critically, rather it is weaponized by the radical left to push an anti-American, anti-capitalist agenda; and a political party that is in line with the UN's 2030 Agenda and Global Compact on Migration... you have a country that will fall away from the world and its responsibilities faster than you ever imagined would be possible in the short years ahead.
You combine all that I noted above with a looming economic disaster peering at us like a revisit to the collapse following the roaring 20s... and you can be certain the world will become a very chaotic place in the years ahead, the Taliban will be but one small problem in a world awash with them.
Biden's election made this inevitable, he is a confused old man incapable of handling the challenges that face us. And no amount of string pullers behind the curtains can solve that... and should Harris take over for him, she will prove just as incompetent to handle the challenges ahead.Just as Trump was expecting to be able to seriously negotiate with the Taliban in good faith? Military people said that giving the Taliban the psychological victory of believing that we had to make concessions in the first place was the beginning of the end.
Neville Chamberlain redux?
So who says that he would have been the fix?I am not stating Trump was the fix, I am simply stating the sad state we are currently in.
Oh really? What I see looks more like this.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/29/busi … s-gdp.htmlWell, I have more faith in CNN than the NYTimes.
There isn't a more purposed propaganda newsource than that.
You might as well try these sites for "unbiased" news like the NYTimes:
https://www.beltandroad.news/
https://tass.com/
At least if you used news sources like those, you'd have a better perspective about what is really going on, the likes of the NY Times are filled with ideologically driven idiots that think the position they hold exists for them to further their "cause"... the days of American News reporting both sides of an argument, doing real Journalism, and trying to maintain some semblance of balance are long over.
Those issues noted in that Pic BTW are real, symptoms of worse things to come. The NY Times article, a fabrication of fantasy.Ok, Ken, what should I give any greater credibility to your sources and memes, which when considered solely seem biased on its face? You are saying that your opinions are the same as objective facts and that is always an irritant for me.
I note that one of the memes was from the NPR "All Things Considered" and I trust the source. But is that all of the story or just the part you want us to see? You can choose to accentuate the negative that is ok for you, but I am going look further.
Really, let me get back to you first of the year. It is certainly too soon to predict what all the spending will do to the ecconomy. I think we are in for a very big mess in regard to the economy.
OK, So, let's revisit the issue and make an assessment in January, 2022.
And we will see then......After doing a little digging, this seems to be something that had been in the works for a while, Chinese leaders met about a month ago with the Taliban leaders in preparation of America's complete withdrawal.
Pakistan as well is in full support of it, they have long supported the Taliban, they typically support anyone that is not considered on friendly terms with India.
Russia recently completed military joint training with two nations neighboring Afghanistan partly in preparation of Taliban's takeover.
China really wanted America out of Afghanistan, once Biden took Office they began in earnest for America's withdrawal.
Taliban authorities have been intensively engaged by China on an extension of the $62 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) their primary interest being the construction of energy pipelines between Pakistan and Afghanistan to China.
Going off of memory here, on a topic about a part of the world I'd sooner forget, I believe in addition to Iran, one of Afghanistan's other neighbors is sitting on one of the world's largest natural gas sources.
This original plan and reason for all our interference in the region, was to complete pipelines through Iraq, Syria, etc. so that the gas could reach the EU. Weakening their need for Russian Gas. It appears in the decades that have past, and due to their lack of being able to secure Syria's "co-operation" for such a project, this is no longer going to happen... China will be gaining those resources instead.
Either way what I see occurring are pipelines from Iran and other sources going through Afghanistan, Pakistan, and into China.
At the end of the day these decisions are made for reasons that will never be reported about in the MSM News. Oil, Gas, Power, Control... America is giving it up and China is moving in.
Biden of course, knew all this, so, what does that tell you about whose interests he is serving?Ken, I would be interested in the source of your statement that "China met with the Taliban a month ago". Evidence that China and the Taliban have in corroboration would give some more credibility to your hypothesis as to China wanting America out of Afghanistan. How these two entities find common ground for cooperation seems a stretch to me.
We had geopolitical objectives in the Middle East beyond nation building and the like? Our interference in the affairs of others always comes with a price. How much help did we receive from European allies in pursuit of the goal of their not being a marketplace for Russian oil and gas?
Yes, many things are changing hands, but short of total war, what can be done about it?
If you know about it from confirmed sources, then many more know, the entire military-industrial complex knows and that includes more than just Biden and certainly does not exclude Trump and Republicans in general.
I acknowledge that Pakistan has been a duplicitous partner in all of this, and its offering safe harbor for the enemy explains the reason we are where we are at present.
It's a date...
If wrong I will write I was wrong 10 times. LOL
You know its funny how you like to bring things back to Trump, it is so reminiscent of the hard core Trump supporters that always brought things back to Obama even after he was long gone.
Kind of like zealotry, you are committed to "your side".... and when faced with the harsh failures of the "side" you are backing, you shift to blaming the opponent rather than deal with how horrible your guy is actually doing.
We have a mentally dilapidated President, and clueless Vice President, I don't know of a more incompetent VP in our lifetimes... these two along with the antiquated Pelosi are a sign of the times, how truly dysfunctional America's government has become. These are the people the DEMOCRATS chose to represent their party and lead the country... its time to stop talking about Trump and start holding the DEMOCRATS accountable for the State of the Nation.And what were the alternatives in November of 2020? Trump was unacceptable, don't blame people for making a choice from the only 2 candidates available.
All your attacks against the Democrats, Pelosi, Biden and Harris are based on your opinion, why am I to give it anymore credibility than that? Eighty millions say that you are wrong, what makes you right and they wrong?
I am satisfied with and promote any Democrat over the alternatives currently available.Fantastic, so now you can relax, stop talking about Trump, stop getting agitated about what a "Republican" has said about this or that.
The politicians you support and prefer have control, you are content with them. Perhaps its time to stop worrying about Trump or the Republicans, if your people do a good job and move the country in the right direction, the people will be just as content as you are, and vote them all in again.But when people criticize Biden, I ask them how could you have done better? What example am I seeing people on the right put forth as a successful one. Trump?
When I can get this miserable excuse for a human being out of sight and mind, and he assumes his proper place as a former President, maybe we can move on.We will never know what Trump would have done if President, when the Taliban broke the treaty he negotiated like they have done.
I suspect however, the fact that Trump was not beholden to China as I believe Biden is, and the fact that Trump simply for ego's sake would have kept his promise to bring the full wrath of the American military against them if they violated the treaty, means we would not be seeing the debacle play out that we are seeing now.
I can also predict where this is heading next...
“To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE,” Trump tweeted after returning to the White House from a weekend at his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey. “WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!”
Trump in 2018Biden is who the most part of the nation wanted for President. Someone kind,
... someone soft-spoken and well mannered.
A psychological victory? Trump negotiated an end to our military presence in Afghanistan, a pull-out... They well knew they won... Trump negotiated an agreement to promote an exit of our troops and our American citizens. The agreement was working. Biden chose to disregard the US agreement. Have you read the short US agreement? I would encourage you to read it. It was pure common sense, and was working to the extent we could have removed our troops after we removed our people. I am wiery of seeing this mess in any respect blamed on Trump. IMO if Trump were in office we would not be witnessing this mess.
Please read the agreement you will see the situation of withdrawal was handled and agreed to.
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upload … .29.20.pdfWhat happened with the Sudden fall of Kabul, how much of the agreement actually came to fruition? Do you really think that the Taliban, once taking the country had any incentive for safeguarding any American interests? And if they did not comply what were we going to do about it? Thanks for the link, but I have not heard of any mutual agreement among the parties to agree to comply.
The bigger question still remains: why do we continue to get involved in expensive and losing campaigns in the first place, without a plan for victory?
Engaging in Afghanistan was our first mistake, however, to say Biden didn’t botch the withdrawal would be naive. Cutting and running, with no visible understanding of what was inevitable, turning our backs on those in country who had supported our efforts.
It mocks every American life lost over the last 20 years.
Edit I just read an article where people are so desperate to leave they are holding on to the wings of planes as they take off. And falling from the sky to their deaths. I guess you still think Biden has done grand.Hindsight is always 20/20, Live to Learn.
If Biden actually walked on water, you would still find fault anyway.
That is your privilege but I support Biden and say that what the Right is whining about should have been a point they made with Trump during his term. Now it all falls upon deaf ears.
People were falling from helicopters during the fall of Saigon, these are always unpleasant military/political decisions. So being the brilliant military strategist that you are, what would be your solution?The mocking started long before Biden as Trump didn't even include the Afghan government in the treaty negotiations. That's basically saying we don't care what happens to them once we sign this thing. Trump conceded the country to the Taliban right then and there.
These arguments also seem really out of character for the party that's been screaming 'America First' for the last four years.
Tell the child brides to "piss off" as they are being married to Taliban fighters as sex slaves. Tell the Afghan fighters who sided with America to "piss off" as the Taliban goes door to door looking for them so that they can burn them alive. Tell 2-months old babies to "piss off" as Taliban soldiers dip them in boiling water. These things will now be commonplace in Afghanistan thanks to Biden, the smug president of Progressives. Once the Taliban reaches your backyard, maybe you'll ne brave enough to tell them to "piss off" but I doubt it.
Well, another "arm chair quarterback"? We all know who and what the Taliban are, the question is how best to defeat them.
You have said absolutely nothing here and are just venting. Your comment is not so "savvy" this time, Savvy.Perhaps in the treaty Trump negotiated, he could have put in a clause that said we will refuse to leave if the Taliban began doing any of the things Savvy complained about. Did anyone hear her lobbying for those protections during treaty negotiations?
Fat chance. But again I underestimate Donald J. Trump as the master of the deal and, instinctively, the world's greatest diplomat.....
This would have occurred on whatever President's watch decided to pull us out of Afghanistan.
For reasons I probably already stated, this was a no-win war because the American politicians did not have the will to do what was required to win the war. No war is ever won with half measures.
The enemy was allowed to slip into neighboring nations, where they were not pursued, the enemy therefore was never going to be defeated... you cannot defeat an enemy unless you eradicate their military capability and all that support them and their beliefs.
We were the invading force, nothing short of suppressing or eradicating their culture and beliefs and installing our own... much like we did to Germany and Japan after WWII would have brought this to a successful resolution.
I assure you, some of the brightest strategists and historians reside within the Pentagon, it was always known what the results would be.Exactly, Ken, that why I call it a no win scenario for the US regardless of who is or was in charge.
So how do we elevate this current conflict? We have to act following them where ever they go and dismissing international boundaries as they do, how do we do that?
I knew that the military strategist at the Pentagon knew that what occurred here would be the ultimate outcome, even I knew it based on the failed Vietnam conflict.
Short of starting WW III, what could the politicians and diplomats do?I have been pondering the dominoes that this has set in motion on and off today.
I think this signals the shift, the transition to China being the world's economic super power like no other event.
There was a time, as recently as a decade ago, that our efforts to weaken Russia (who is allied with China in ways few understand) and get the EU off of its dependence on Russia's natural gas and oil was a primary reason for our interference in that region of the world.
The goal was to get pipeline(s) of oil and gas from allied/controlled regions to the EU. If this had been successful the EU would not be dependent on Russian resources, which, generate the majority of Russia's revenues.
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-ea … b63a9afb74
With our failure to topple Syria, largely due to Russia's support of Syria, this plan was never going to materialize.
China however, furthers its dreams of a new "Silk Road", its Belt and Road initiatives had been stymied to some degree due to America's presence in Afghanistan.
China will step in and seize control of regional and global strategic assets and develop the infrastructure for roads and pipelines through Afghanistan leading into China.
China not being hindered by a sparring and self-absorbed political leadership will succeed in filling the vacuum America has left behind in the region, developing strong relations with these nations.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201810/0 … 80a5d.html
This in turn will lead to improved economic ties between China and the EU, as well as more dependency of the EU on Russia's resources.
The 'odd-man-out' is going to be America and its allies and the long standing world dependency on the Dollar & OPEC/Oil alliance that has controlled world economics for the last 50 years.One of the problems is that "allied/controlled" regions often times do not stay that way. I am assuming that you are referring to petroleum access in the Middle East.
China may well get the better of America without firing a shot.
China's "stepping in" to access regional resources in Afghanistan is contingent on their cooperation with Taliban, which I need to see proven.
I thought that the EU was composed of American allies.
Thanks for sharing the links as they do point to the reality of our involvement in Syria, as well the BRI programs that most are not aware of. You believe that Russian and China are acting in concert to control West? Why would these two work together?Why wouldn't they?
Russia has something to gain for itself. It would stoop to using China.
They have been doing military exercises together.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita … exercises/Unfortunately that you even ask the question "Why would these two work together?" is a damning statement on our media/news sources.
They work together to protect themselves from a common threat: America.
They work together because of common interests, China needs Russia's energy resources, Russia needs everything China produces.
They have aligned themselves for a long time now (Putin & Xi Jinping) the advantage of maintaining the same leadership for decades and working together:
Russia and China strengthened their economic cooperation as the two countries sought to lessen the blow of U.S. sanctions and tariffs imposed against them. As 2020 drew to a close, a consortium of Russian and Chinese businesses were negotiating 70 joint investment projects worth over $110 billion.
In Central Asia, Russia has actively recruited regional states for its Eurasian Economic Union trade bloc, while China has heavily invested in infrastructure projects in the region as part of its Belt and Road Initiative.
They both have alliances and histories with Iran, Pakistan, and other neighboring nations.
https://www.brinknews.com/russia-and-ch … rtnership/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a … 6517300052
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1229130.shtml
Yes, Credence, I am venting because I am frustrated by Biden's hubris and incompetence. I never believed all troops should be withdrawn from Afghanistan even when Trump was in office, but at least Trump had a plan. I always believed a small number troops should remain on the ground as a security measure for the Afghan people. Furthermore, I believe U.S. intelligence and airpower were critical for enabling Afghan soldiers (not Taliban) to do their job effectively. Now that all security is removed, anyone who remains in Afghanistan is vulnerable to Sharia law which will be enacted once again despite what the Taliban has said to this administration.
China has now recognized the Taliban as a legitimate government. Russia is licking its chops. Hell will break loose and it will be even more terrible... not just in the Middle East, but ultimately, in the U.S... in time. Remember 9/11. Al-Qaeda is out for revenge and they will be merciless. Biden has blood on his hands and he could not care less, having stated that he stands by his decision. This monstrous debacle in on him.
Yes, I am frustrated. My heart goes out to everyone who will be left in Afghanistan and whose lives will be a living hell. Most will pray for death.
I am deeply saddened.Now, this is the "Savvy" that I remember.
Many will tell you that we all knew that this moment would come. Think about this, how do you defeat an enemy that is free to move across international boundaries as if they don't exist, how does the United States Military do that?
These people are beasts and we all know that they must be brought to heel. Trumps attempt to negotiate with these people just revealed our weakness from their perspective and just emboldened them. Regardless, the outcome that took place was going to happen sooner or later as long as our hands were tied and those of the enemy were not.
If Biden has blood on his hands then so do all his predecessors over the last 20 years as did President Ford deserting Saigon in 1975. It is all the same story with the nature of the game associated with limited warfare. It is always the same thing, we need to just send a few more troops to protect Afghan allies, but we never, ever actually leave. There is never a good way to extricate oneself, but it has to be done. You don't keep taking the same failing approach over 20 years and expect something different next time.
We are locked in a non win scenario, Savvy, if we are forced to respect Pakistan's national sovereignty while the Taliban could care less.
Check out the Powell Doctrine....
As you say, with China and Russia more than happy to watch us fritter away our resources without result, what are our options short of starting World War III, are you prepared for that?"Trumps attempt to negotiate with these people just revealed our weakness from their perspective and just emboldened them. Regardless, the outcome that took place was going to happen sooner or later as long as our hands were tied and those of the enemy were not."
You are quite the wordsmith, Credence, but Trump did not negotiate with Taliban murderers, to my knowledge. In fact, he wiped out Isis. Yes, Al Qaeda still has tentacles in the world, but under Trump they had no real power and were greatly weakened. We had peace under Trump and he had a plan to bring home the troops in Afghanistan... which looked nothing like Biden's plan, which seems to be a non-plan, frankly. Furthermore, the outcome as it stands today did not have to happen sooner or later.
I am amazed at your hatred of Trump and how blithely you ignore how much good he accomplished in four short years. But until and if the Marxists take over our country, we all have the freedom and choice to claim any allegiance we like.
As an aside, I believe you have a good heart and I continue to like and respect you as much as I always have. I'll close for now. My work does not allow me to spend much time on forums. That is probably a good thing. Lol.The facts are contrary to "your knowledge", Savvy.
Your statements about Trump's contribution to the War on Terror are your opinions alone and there are many other opinions that are not so glowing.
Hatred is a strong word. Yes, I don't like the man and have never liked him ever since his treacherous role over some teenage boys accused of rape in NYC back in the late 1980s. He is a self interested, pompous, impudent man, the last thing needed for a job where reflection, caution and consideration must be part of the job description, POTUS.
The outcome DID have to happen, what alternative scenario do you believed would have changed this?
All this Marxist stuff and take over remain figments of the Rightwingers imagination, we have plenty of challenges much closer to home."All this Marxist stuff and take over remain figments of the Rightwingers imagination..."
Not true Credence.... given your membership in the Black Panther Party, you know full well that what you are telling me is false. Biden is a Marxist's dream come true. He is their "useful idiot." His idiocy, weakness, and conceit happen to be the perfect antidote for anarchists everywhere. You know this. The defunding of police and all the murders in cities as a result of... the huge border crises, higher gas prices, higher food prices and more... all because of Biden's stupidity.
As for the alternative scenario regarding Afghanistan, Trump would not have shown weakness as Biden does every single day. And, it is not my position or responsibility or to offer an alternative to you. You know that as well.
Biden, alone, has singlehandedly offered up the United States and every one of our allies on a silver platter... and he is too stupid and too conceited to care.
Shame on anyone who supports this vile man, unless they are too uninformed to know any better. But, you know...
Even in 1975, at the height of the Saigon crisis, he stated, "We have no obligation to protect the Vietnamese." He had no compassion then and he has no compassion now, as proven by his cowardly speech yesterday.
But, the vultures in the Democratic Party are already circling... and they will throw Biden under the bus as they do with all of their "idiots" who are no longer useful, only to be replaced by someone who is also incompetent.
This gives me no solace. Damn.
As for the rape case, you'll have to be more specific. However, if you want to talk about predators, there is no shortage of specific cases attached to Biden in that regard.As for the rape case, look it up. Trump's involvement is all over the web. It is ok, I cant stand the man while you worship the very ground he walks upon.
To each his own.....
I am resigned that we will simply agree to disagree. I am just as adamant about my position and stand as you are about yours, neither of us will be convinced otherwise. So, you can return to work, I will go to my corner and you to yours. You can continue to rage on about Communism while I speak of the virtues of the "progressive way". My 50,000 watt transmitter is always operational. We will see what course the majority of the voters will conclude and choose as they did last November.
Who said that I was a member of the Black Panther Party? Is there delirium as part and parcel of your discourse here? What other specious stuff have you to offer?You had mentioned that you were part of the Black Panther Party back in the day. I recall Ken Burgess stating that you were not like other Black Panthers, as a compliment to you. You further stated that you do not believe in violence. It has been many years since that conversation transpired. However, if I had spoken to someone else whose name begins with a "C" and who also has no personal picture of themselves online, then that is my mistake.
Furthermore, I do not think Trump walks on water, but he was a strong president who kept us safe. And, for the record, Trump won. The Democrats cheated. The math simply does not add up.
But, you have dismissed me to my corner. So be it.... for now.This a case of mistaken identity. But had I been 5 to 10 years older and lived in Oakland back in the day of police brutality and non responsive municipal officials, when the Black Panthers People Party began, I could have well decided to join.
Two plus two will always be 4, Savvy. Your side simply had lost and its that simple, no elaborate conspiracy theories or excuses are needed.My 90 year old mother filled out her ballot and I took it to the post office before the election date. That ballot had three weeks to get counted.
Who knows if it ever was.
It is so horrific Savvy. Doubtful that Progressives would be so bold, they are much too busy making enemies of those who see things differently than them...as if the Taliban would ever take the time to decipher between the two!
This is all so shameful and heartbreaking what these people are or will be going through, if not for a miracle. PRAY!!!"they are much too busy making enemies of those who see things differently than them..."
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And conservatives do not do this, really?Not this conservative, I don’t and never have seen you as my enemy.
AB.., there are reports of Afghan women handing their babies over to strangers on the other side of the fence....who are likely to board a U.S. cargo plane, out of desperation. One woman that we know of was killed for not wearing a headdress. Men are already being kicked in the face and killed for trying to get near the cargo plane.... and this president goes on vacation. Americans and Afghanistan's alike are terrified.
I've already begun praying as you do. I do not know what else to do.Yes, the images of kids crying, saying "the Taliban are coming" is heart wrenching!!
We pray for their safety and our sanity in having to deal with this debacle of an administration.The pictures of the beheadings will be spread throughout much of the world soon enough, If they aren't already. Not that the MSM will cover the massacres going on, or report it to the American people.
The message to the world will be clear, under Biden, America turns tail and runs, leaving its people behind to be slaughtered... you can try and reason that away if you support Biden, but that matters little... its the way the rest of the world perceives it that matters.Well, Biden does not really seem to respect the plight of those left behind. He claimed yesterday no one has been killed very cavalierly... Although we all know at least 7 have lost their lives. Today it was reported in 2010 while being interviewed he shared a statement that is relevant to this horrific crisis.
"Biden in 2010 reportedly told a US diplomat 'f--- that' when asked if the US should stay in Afghanistan to prevent a humanitarian crisis"
"Holbrooke, who was the Obama administration's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan in 2010, asked Biden whether the US had a moral obligation to remain in Afghanistan to protect people like that little girl.
"F--- that, we don't have to worry about that. We did it in Vietnam, Nixon and Kissinger got away with it," Biden replied, according to Holbrooke's diary, as cited by the Atlantic. "
It appears Biden could care less about putting our military in harm's way, let alone worry about the plight of the Afghani people.
We all need to pray, it's all we can do at this point.Biden is a calloused man. He has always been. That disgusting statement and all of his actions prove that. Even the UK is fed up with him. They no longer trust the USA to be a true ally. The rest of the world is following suit, with the exception of China, Russia, and a few others who love Biden's bumbling to death, even as they hold him in contempt.
Enough said.I will age myself --- but with good reason. I have lived throughout Biden's time in Washington. He has always been callous, and self-absorbed. Hence all the crazy stories he has shared with us every chance he could.
I pinch myself and just can't believe we have a president that is quickly taking America to its knees. Did you ever think we would have a handful of our troops surrounded at an airport, with little weapons and a fool making the decisions?
He promised to put us back on the world stage... And he did, he has allies turn away, and has shown at this point the US has a president that is vacant of the skills to solve any problems --- only create them.
Never in my life have I witnessed such a horrific mess.
On June 11 2021 Biden admin moved to dismantle protections for citizens trapped overseas months before Kabul’s fall The Biden administration moved in June to dismantle a system designed to protect American citizens trapped abroad — just months before the Taliban took over Afghanistan, stranding thousands of Americans in the Central Asian country.
Fox News has obtained the June 11 memo sent around the State Department which gave the green light on the "discontinuation of the establishment, and the termination of, the Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau (CCR)."
The sensitive but unclassified memo was signed by Deputy Secretary of State Brian McKeon, just a couple of months before the Biden administration’s botched troop withdrawal that saw Afghanistan fall under Taliban control.
He has seemed to dismantle anything that Trump... Trump had a good plan to evacuate our troops, and all our workers, as well as any Afgan workers.
This man is out for Trump's blood, and it matters little who's else is spilled.
"Piss off" or "show you how" Cred...which is it?
This post is just spectatorism. Being a spectator does nothing for this world. Pointing figures does nothing. Have some compassion for these poor people.
Mentally dilapidated is still an upgrade from malignantly narcissistic. We now have someone using the government to solve problems instead of attacking the government, and the rule of law, from within while siding with our enemies.
And Harris is about as effective as Pence who spent four years, five if you count him still sucking up to Trump this year even after Trump encouraged his supporters to hang him, with his head buried squarely up Trump's rear end. What exactly did Pence accomplish in his four years aside from neck arthritis from nodding along to everything Trump said?One fact does stand out is that the man on the burning deck is Joe Biden. He should have taken the decisions which he did not and went against the advice of the generals as well as his defense secretary who didn't want a complete withdrawal. Biden will go down in history as the man who liquidated American influence all over the world.
I suspect that prediction will prove itself out over time.
Trump had an agreement and kept to it It was Biden that did not keep the agreement after Trump left office. Trump had evacuation covered in the agreement. Biden should have respected the previous president's contact and had us out by May first. Biden does not follow our laws if they don't suit him, he does not follow previous US agreements if they don't suit him. He created a horrific mess, this is all on his shoulders. Trump campaigned that he would pull out --- promise kept... He left a very good agreement to remove our presence from Afganistan, with plans to get everyone that needed to be evacuated out safely.
This president plays the Blame game he should not be in office. If he did not want to keep to the US contract, and the plans it offered, he should have come up with a plan of his OWN. he did not, he disrespected a US agreement totally... Showing us to be untrustworthy on the World Stage. He is inept in my opinion. Here is a link to the US contract with the Taliban, it is easy to see it was a well-planed agreement.
Biden has played the blame game since he walked into the WH. He has ridden Trump's accomplishment in regard to COVID. If he was at all smart he would have respected Trump's agreement with the Taliban and he may have had a wonderful withdrawal without the mess we see now. He can't handle the job of president. he now is hiding once again, that he does well...
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/upload … .29.20.pdf
I am deeply disturbed about what has happened in Afghanistan. I had the occasion to visit Kabul in 2016. To me, it appeared the Afghans were happy and the women had discarded the burka and were getting into professions. In one stroke Mr. Joe Biden destroyed everything by not listening to what his defense chiefs said. These men had actually been in Afghanistan and knew the country and they did not recommend a complete withdrawal at all. But Biden will go down in history as the great betrayer and the man who brought American prestige to its lowest ebb since 1945.
"In one stroke Mr. Joe Biden destroyed everything"
Very poignant words to remember, IMO we will be saying these words frequently over the next few years. Biden is failing so quickly and ruining everything he touches."In one stroke Mr. Joe Biden destroyed everything by not listening to what his defense chiefs said."
Exactly. As I stated, a complete withdrawal never made any sense to me."In one stroke"
apparently ...
What is going on behind the scenes, one wonders. This devastating event had to be the out-and-out plan.
Do the Bidens KNOW they are bringing about the down-fall of America? Who ARE they cooperating with, one wonders. Our former Muslim president, Barack Obama, for one?
Surely, this easy peasy pullout hurts US in many ways: Our reputation, our role as heroes to the down-trodden, and now we will be remembered for our lack of reliability is times of desperation, having CAUSED one!!!
Is Joe really a good, kind guy?
"Of course," the Liberals will say. "He got us out of Afghanistan and he did it real quick.
But, what is the price?
Ask the people who got hurt the most.
Ask them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkwKg1TPZNM
"Never in my life have I witnessed such a horrific mess."
Strangely, according to my son, his liberal progressive friends are fine with the fast-pullout method. They are also the ones who are not concerned with the globally occurring over-reach of China.
Maybe that's the difference between the two groups/parties: a sense of reality in connection to a sense of urgency. Progressives are mainly present-oriented and have no foresight as to how what happens today could impact the future.
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