The current conference in Copenhagen has witnessed the use of 1200 limosines shunning public transportation. Copenhagen had to get a number of the limos from neighboring Germany to fill the order. Is this because of a security risk for the attendees or is it an elitist way of dealing with the problem from a distance?
wow, limos? if i was attending this conference, i would have said no limos. that's just wrong. why didn't one of those Hybrid car companies offer a fleet of free cars for the occasion?
Probably would not be bullet proof etc. Just a neutral observation.
In fairness to Obama, this is a once-in-a-lifetime thing, and he's the president of the US. It's not like he's using 1200 limos on a daily basis. There's a point where people ought to knock off the pick-pick-picking-apart of every last thing that gets done. Really - should a president and/or Nobel-Prize winner be using public transportationto events? I have more than my share of things to pick him apart over, but I think this is a non-issue.
This may shock you but Copenhagen has as many as 5 hybrid vehicles in the whole city .
But as most of Europe they have a public transprtation system.
The limousines have nothing to do with the merit of the issues being discussed. It's an unnecessary and pretty meaningless diversion. Where I live in Detroit limos or taxis are the only way for travelers to get to and from the airport. This is true in many cities all over the world. Perhaps the sponsors in Copenhagen could have done a better job of pointing the visitors to public transportation. Unfortunate.
Yes. The populist crap is just a diversion from real issues. I get sick of it. I dunno, could it be a security issue or a diplomatic issue that they didn't take public transportation?
Another thing that gets me is the promotion of the supposed wealth of some politicians--ie, Obama. Yeah, he has a nice house...but houses in the million dollar(s) range are not that unusual in cities like Chicago and New York. When I lived in NYC, we had friends with an apt. at 1 million. He was a computer programmer, she was an admin. assist. This was kinda typical.
I hate ridiculous misrepresentation.
Ridiculous indeed. $1 million apartments are not 'typical' in NYC.
Like you know anything. Especially living out in a shack near Wichita.
I assume you know they buy apts. like they buy houses in other parts of the country? It was a typical middle class apt., west side.
It would probably be easier if you didn't try to pretend to be something you are not.
Am I back in Kansas again? LOL! Too funny.
Man, you fit the part....the more you say. You remind me of the worst examples of the very rural Midwest (I lived there, too). And it is clear you really don't know what you are talking about.
I liked Ralph's solution:
"Too"? LOL! 'Too' funny! Ok, seriously now - trying to help you out a bit - not from Kansas. I know you've read my profile, and since you've been reading since you were quite young and are a 'professional' and wonderful, intelligent, elite artist that you must be good at it, so let the info sink in.
Thing is, nobody cares. ...it's just you and your constant need to prove whatever it is, over and over. Most people can read between the lines, troll.
But if anybody does care, clearly your IP traces to rural Kansas. Just as mine traces outside of Phoenix.
And I'm reporting your multiple comments on my hubs as abuse, although management seems intent to not ban you like they should.
Maybe this will work:
You certainly do seem to care. Thank you, but give it a rest with the name calling and insulting pics and such. That is unbecoming a 'professional.'
LOL! Maybe someone who "does car" () can explain the technical issue for you. In fact, I seem to recall that someone did try once but you ignored them. Ah well, who cars?.
I wouldn't know because I never jumped over the 'creepy stalker' line to check. I'll take your word for it.
The only "abuse" is in your abusive replies. Be nice.
Well, you know how former New Yorkers are. We aren't nice.
And you couldn't check my IP--I'm not interested in posting anything on your, uh....hubs about squirrels. With 7 postings and counting on my writing hub, not to mention 14 or so on the other hub of mine...plus multiple nuisance postings on various other people's hubs, some with some pretty dirty language, I think YOU have earned the term 'abusive.'
My friends are very nice, and would take issue with your claiming to be a "former New Yorker."
Not couldn't, wouldn't. Not a creepy stalker, not interested.
I don't see anybody but you posting on my hubs (and on other peoples') obsessively and having them deleted over and over and over.
That's stalking and that's weird. NOT checking to see the nature of the beast who continues to do this sort of thing.
Sorry, but the Jr. Tracker bit is officially stalking. It's funny because you're so bad at it, but it's still creepy.
Stop the stalking, stop the insults, relax and move on. Help make the forums more peaceful and let go of the anger.
Just FYI, Hubpages posts all people's IP's, so that the owner of the hub can monitor unwanted and abusive comments. An IP is also considered public information. You are not very well informed. This is common knowledge.
Also, your display--obsessively using swear words towards various other writers on this site, on their hubs--is proof of your anger issues, as is your behavior all over the web on other forums.
You have nobody here with any common sense fooled at all. And Hubpage management has another agenda towards letting you remain here, which I am sure is all their own.
Yes, yes, I know you don't like me and all that. That's why I made sure to check with a life-long New Yorker. Three by now, in fact.
It's also clear we don't travel in the same circles. So? Get over it.
Thank goodness for that. I was just trying to provide some more accurate information.
Your info. isn't 'accurate.' The house I lived in while in Brooklyn was valued at $690,000. And that was Brooklyn...Borough Park, even. $1mill in Manhattan isn't considered that much. Sorry.
Looks like you need to study your real estate markets.
Completely. Maybe your assumptions are based on a sheltered understanding of people and places. Maybe.
BS. My info. is accurate. I'm beginning to invest in real estate and the bf designs houses for a living. I just don't run in circles of the unemployed or chronically unemployed...or live in rural Kansas where they have never heard of such housing prices.
No, your info is not accurate. It's not unusual for people who are "beginning" to do something to think they know more than they do or will in time (if they stick with it - some people 'begin' lots of things but have the attention span of a teenager on a sugar-rush and 'begin' something else before really getting anywhere). I really can't speak to the unemployed in Kansas so I won't (see how that works?).
And you don't have to mention "bf" in every single post. I believe you have one, really. Really.
So...how 'bout that Copenhagen Conference?
Do I give a crap about what a, uh, successful troll thinks? The house I live in now is valued at $400,000...as is. The houses Matt designs are in the multi-million dollar range. Look up Sedona. The market here is actually very similar to the market in NYC, only salaries are not commiserate overall. That's because the state's economy is based on construction and tourism mainly--especially in this area.
Your entire outlook and writing/posting is that of an older, conservative rural Midwestern person who has not been out of the house much.
I know all about it, but just to be sure I bothered to double check with a friend who is a life-long New Yorker before I posted.
$1 million apt. = not 'typical,' not 'middle class.'
What am I pretending to be that I am not? Is this about your friend with poor IP tracking skills again, or just your over-active imagination?
And many flew there on private jets! The hypocrisy is monumental! But that's to be expected by leftist scare tactic jealotts!
Especially since they're making decisions on data that has proven to be false. So much for impartial science.
How exactly is it PROVEN to be false? Ice caps aren't melting, the ocean isn't rising, and pollution isn't contributing to smog and greenhouse gas build up in industrialized areas? I guess that a hack email from a small group of scientist working on one project debunks the entire field and all of its independently verified data taken over the last 20 years that do show an increase in average global temperature. So tell me LD besides an economist, war expert and history professor are you adding climatology to your resume of knowledge and expertise. Or are you once again just regurgitating something you heard or saw on a talk show?
Then I guess you are the expert on all the things he is not? Global warming/Global cooling=BULLSHIT! I don't think one need be an expert to see through the fraud.
Where's the fraud wise ass. One group says they were fudging results so now it means all of them across the entire world are engaged in a global conspiracy to scare you into stopping pollution get a life. These conspiracy stories are bullshit like you and most of your extremist kill em all ideas and theories. Bullshit, yeah you'd be the expert in that field.
Angry little feller aintcha? I would sit and argue with you but I'm afraid you would hurt yourself.
Yeah good move I'd leave too if I denied the truth that was out my front door and blindly followed along ignoring the reality of the situation because it meant I might have to alter my lifestyle. Run away, thats what you do isn't it?
Scott's question was a fair one. Ldt only stated an opinion, an incorrect one at that, with no facts to back it up. And your're not noted, either, for facts, Tex.
Weeks? How about 55 minutes ago? Still laughing!
yeah 55 minutes ago, and the first time in weeks, yet here you are still speaking for him, and defending him. Funny, is he not able to speak?
You called me an asshole am I supposed to slink away from you? I will defend and attack whomever I choose! As far as all I have is laughing at you, well, it seems to be enough!
Oh no I called you an asshole, while you're dropping F-bombs with impunity and talking about my Bullshit, yeah that's just mean on my part. I should apologize.
I don't care if you apologize you must have me confused with a sensitive person. I'm just not gonna run away because you want me to, that should be apparent by now.
I don't think you have anything to worry about when it comes to confusing you with any part of sensitive.
what's apparent is that you feel the need to defend or attack anyone you choose while belittling anyone who exercises that option as well.
I would agree to a certain extent. Some of the data they were espousing now seems to be suspiciously false but not everything. I know it is hard to accept anything from a liar but not all of them were.
The pathetic part of this is the hypocrisy of claiming environmental catastrophe and then ignoring the bad example they set with their flagrant ignorance by their lifestyle. A report on CNN showed how the busses and trains were empty while the participants got out of their limos.
It reminds me of the auto executives getting off their private planes in DC with a tin cup in their hand.
It is tragic and hypocritical to take a limo to a climate conference but saying the actions of one small group of people discredits a field that employs thousands with an Education and expertise far in advance of any I've encountered on this forum is the same as saying priests caught in indiscretion disproves all of the Bible and God's existence.
I agree Scott and there are some who will blow the entire thing out of proportion because of the acts of a few. There has to be some sort of acknowledgement from the scientists that the emails greatly feed the naysayers and if anything good is to come from this conference the reprimand or expulsion of these individuals caught in this deceit should happen to get some credibility.
The limo thing can only hurt their muddied image.
No Rhamson you forget if some wind bag on air says its a fraud then the masses will line up to support it no matter what the tangible evidence suggests. That"s right Texan lets destroy the planet because its not actually happening, you won't be around to suffer for it so why care, I love your attitude. Reality is knocking
Just like some windbag says it's happening and you want to spend MY money to stop it. When you actually get something in life then see if you want to throw it away on scams, I bet you wont!
Who are you talking to asshole I've worked my whole life for the things I want you arrogant jackass. I'm not your kid.
I was talking to you, are you confused? I don't care whose kid you are! I don't care what you have or don't have, fucking with me is gonna just get you madder and madder. Laughing at you!!
Careful, careful you may be zapped into nowhere land again Tex.
Really by being called an asshole? Mind your own business Rhamson! If Scottlife has something to say let him say it.
Temper, temper little feller. I am not defending Scottlife as he is perfectly able to do so himself. He is a big boy, how about you?
Why don't you throw around some more big cuss words old man and laugh some more if it makes you feel bigger, it's all you're going to get. That's what you're good at isn't it starting shit? Must be a sad and boring life in retirement.
Lets see, you jump on defense because you wanted to start something but don't like it when it comes back to you? Global warming is a scam, global cooling is a scam, don't like that I think that? Too bad.
Bring it then...I'm not hiding...and then criticizing scams
Pull me through your computer screen and give me the beating I deserve big guy, that's what you said you want to do to the shallow thinking non-thinkers of the forums isn't it. here's your chance to show us all how powerful and manly you are or is that like everything you say more impotent talk?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, what you gonna do?
It's already done smart guy laugh all day long you to deserve it.
Nothings done, the rest just didn't make any sense, try again!
No need to try I succeeded the first time laugh away, you've earned it today.
You're very sensitive. Do you feel the need to be right all the time?
Great deflection, you showed me this time I mean WOW! What was I thinking?
I don't think you were thinking, you follow defense around and try and belittle him just to show yourself for what you are. Its kinda sad, and I am still laughing at you.
Follow, really? I haven't commented on anything he said in weeks, yet you seem to feel the need to take-up for him while telling others to mind their own business, that's the sad thing. The one being stalked today is me. keep laughing though it's all you got.
Why dont you two grownups engage in real discussion being led by readytoescape.
Are you going to comment and all that was said? If so then the discussion will get confusing for you.
Actually I do approach the issue from your perspective texan, but readytoescape is leading the center of the anti-new world order side here. You are distracting us with all that swearing.
Pollution and green energy are vital issues. global warming is hyped up for political reasons.
Maybe the collapse of all this doomsday jive will spur a practical, realistic approach to this important subject.
Have no fear TK you probably won't feel any of it in your lifetime anyway.
I won't feel any practical, realistic approach? I'm not so pessimistic.
I agree that there is cattle out there that go wherever the wind blows and most of it is not directed at the prime issue but a conspiracy on a much grander scale.
I don't know why those select few scientists wished to slant the findings other than for expediency or manipulation but it just harms the whole movement towards any real solutions.
I am all for further investigation and real solutions based on those findings but the findings must be substantiated before we throw a bunch of resources and time at it.
The overwhelming, easy remedy is to charter busses or even trains to take them to and from. Even security could be provided on public transport. Yes, it's elitist. Their shallow excuses are too completely overwhelmed by their entitlement issues. They are the world's most affluent consumers, the biggest of all who promote easy disposal, and then because of entitlement espouse issues that will increase their status and notoriety, under the guise of making the world better.
Indeed these people don't want dire poverty and suffering, but neither do they want the world to be affluent, otherwise they lose control over the masses. It's a delicate balance and a carefully orchestrated charade, regardless of how factual the evidence is for and against global warming and any other debatable social isssue.
I can see your point but we must remember that the majority of the attendees at the conference are politicians or their confederates and while the image is that they are environmental in their mission they are nevertheless slime bag politicians. Unfortunately the only way to get any remedy to the Global Warming dillema is through these lousy criminals. I am just always amazed at the gall of some of these people.
And, therefore, I have no disagreement with your observations. I agree. But understanding their motive for doing what they do is also paramount about how to approach winning their slime-bag support to promote betterment. Their issues are about how to promote themselves is first, while "bettering society through law" is just their paycheck. Puts it in perspective for me.
I do agree that there is a whole lot of egos being thrown around among the scientific community and therefore some skeptisicm about some of their claims. But we have to look beyond that and see if there is merit and action required to stem what could harm us. It is in our best interest to chase it out.
Must you now be an expert to be skeptical of the motivations of those that appear to have an agenda driven other forces than by the pure scientific accuracy?
The emails and subsequent statements made by those “scientists and academics” involved in this “Contrived Conspiracy” admitted to altering data and excluding research that refuted their forgone conclusions designed to support political and social change wanted by the academic/political progressive movement.
I wonder if it was for expediencies sake that this kind of tampering took place because they don't have all the information.
From the quotes I read (in the emails) it appears clear they altered the data and denied opposing research findings to align support in a channeled and prearranged direction. I suspect under the guise and pressure of funding withdrawal.
I can accept that as we are talking about scum bag politicians running this show. I can also see that struggling for funding plays into this as well. I just wish that there was a better way this could be attacked that would get more people engaged about the truth and a solution.
"Saving face" is perhaps part of the motive. The evidence may not be as severe as our beloved Al Gore promotes, and therefore, credibility is in danger of being blown to bits by conservatives. The factual picture may be somewhere between the two extremes of non-problem to extreme-problem, and therefore, it takes the wind out of the sails of present science. What that does NOT do is give an accurate picture of the rate and potential danger it causes in the immediate to distant future. So creating the Chicken Little syndrome and saying the sky is falling is the more prudent approach to liberals and scientists for the sake of "cleaning it up," and keeping funding for further research. (But again, how accurate is the research going to be, really?)
My personal view is that global warming is not a charade. If you look on a microcosmos level at pollution and its effects on persons, animal and plant life alone, you begin to piece together the big picture. What I think has happened is that we have a bunch of scientists and liberal politicians who have subscribed to the "end of the world" show, and have big money invested in it. While I think that's fundamentally wrong, I do think there is a real threat about environmental issues, but I don't think it's been presented clearly or in an unbiased way. I just don't think it's dooms-day. I think it's problematic, that's all.
I still have not read or seen anything that convinces me the great global cataclysm that is predicted as truth, pollution problems yes, but none to the extant of what we previously experienced in the 60’s and 70’s.
And none to the extent that we should even consider Cap and Trade legislation that will absolutely kill any type of economic recovery. This event in Denmark is purely political in nature designed to kick off support for just such progressive legislation.
It must be considered that all of this discussion and the base assumption of “global ecological damage” surrounds money and political power, the means to obtain it and the progressive panacea of a one-world government.
These are but the first steps in the maneuvers towards that end, global currency will be next.
I don't think you can stop the world currency from happening now anyway. With global trade so ingrained into our world and domestic footprint it is truly inevitible.
I dont need to be a climatology expert to know that you are correct.
2 reasons: the planet goes through cycles of hot and cold,
and the bible predicts an effort at one world government.
Why surely, I actually like Texan, he is just my designated adversary for the day.
More clueless liberals wanting everyone else to do the work.
Nothing, me and Texan are calling each other funny words and trying to see who can piss the farthest.
No scott, you're doing that, I pissed the furthest a long time ago! And did it without calling you anything.
Hey I know if I act like an asshole I will be called one, you need to clue into that fact as well sometime. Mr. Sensitive.
Spread the joy then, we should all have a laugh at insanity and futility.
Don't know didn't ask him today? What about you?
Well I will but I must warn you if in the case I do get a reply I can not publicly acknowledge it. I might be considered insane or deluded. But I will ask nonetheless maybe I can get the big it, to email you or send a fax that we might neither confirm nor deny.
what was that you said about laughing at insanity and futility? You can email if you want but I forgot my password for my hubpages email account, you know, old man and all!
Hey life is insane. Anyway I have to get out of here and do some paperwork for school. Have a great afternoon, I will no doubt run into you later. It has been entertaining to say the least.
Must be a tidy little world you live in. Was it always that easy or did you have to work at it?
Pretty explosive statement without it being directed anywhere specific you must admit
I just don't know any better. I would like to see the CEO's and world experts walk the talk.
I guess your statement was a point of order back to the topic. It is refreshing to get back on topic again. I agree that it would be nice to see the elitist walk the talk.
We just have to wade through this horrible system that was created in absense from our participation and jumped up and bit us. I am of course speaking of the politicians who want us to stay out of it and let them live their richly deserved lifestyle.
Ah, but...thecoolingisactuallypartofthewarmingwhichisabsolutely withoutquestionactuallyhappeningweknowbecausefortheminisculefractionofamomentthatwe'vebeenrecordingclimateduringtheteeny-tinyamountoftimewehavelivedinanindustrialageduringthevanishinglybriefblipthathumanshaveevenexistedonthisplanetagroupofpeoplewithapoliticalagendasayso.
Yes. What better way to scare citizens and take more of their money than to make them feel guilty and tell them they are killing the planet. lol
What if Al is only half right and we ignore his warning?
The odd thing for me is the amount of people who take Pascal's wager on the one hand and then claim that there is "not enough hard evidence" for climate change.
That is a peculiar conundrum I admit but there is a conspiracy element with regard to monetary gain that has some legs to it.
I was watching a story last night about the glaciers in the arctic circle and how when measured were getting taller which would refute the claims that they were melting more quickly than in the past. The lead geologist found that indeed they were taller than even two years ago but not for the reasons we are led to believe. He said that as the glacier is melting the water is going underneath and raising it by making it float higher. I believe more study is needed and we have to find a credible way to get to the bottom of the rate there is warming and what can be done to slow it.
Then we are faced with an inconvienent truth. He's a liar, and is somewhat responsible for the impending damage(boy who cried wolf).
And if that is an inconvenient truth I guess we will handle it as we do with all crisis situations, throw a lot of money at it and find someone to fry for failing us.
Only the boy who cried wolf didn't get an Oscar for it.
Or a Nobel Peace Prize.....Maybe Al has more talent? NAHHH that can't be right???? Al has more talent than a fair tale character???LOL
But we may get an academy award worthy disaster if even half of what he says is right.
I believe there are some who would be very happy about such a disaster.
Because some people value justifying their politics more than anything else.
I think you should take a look at that for yourself.
Meteorology can't predict with 75% Certainty regarding weather changes outside of 72hrs. However I'm supposed to believe them with 100% certainty what they predict regarding climate change over the next 10 to 30 years. Not doing so makes me a "Right Wing Nut", "Conspiracy Theorist", etc.....maybe I'm just a realist.
This is a niche of science that hasn't enjoyed a good reputation for reliability. They certainly aren't helping their cause....
Many of the deniers are liars financed by EXXON and the American electric power industry, including the MIT professor Richard Lindzen who everybody likes to cite. A big majority of scientists believe there is cause for concern over global warming. Lindzen has also expressed doubt about whether smoking causes lung cancer. He's known as a contrarian, a kind of troll in the scientific world.
Which reminds me of an old Russian joke. To give you a necessary background, they do announce the next stop when leaving the current one, in Moscow Metro(Underground).
So, terrorists captured a metro train, and putting a gun against operator's head demand he drive them to Copenhagen. The operator tries to explain that it is impossible to go anywhere but already dug tunnels, but he is confronted with a clear choice - either drive to Copenhagen, or get a hole in your head. So, he announces to the train: "Be careful, doors are closing. The next stop is Copenhagen".
i love it when I find an attempt at middle ground perspective..here's one on this issue.
http://www.voteronpaul.com/newsDetail.p … ction-2836
If you call this 'insulting,' actually, yeah, it does. I've learned I don't have an issue dealing with people I'd consider of a certain moral character in a certain way.
I've got other stuff to write. Have a good night trolling.
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