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The Military Loathe Obama

  1. MikeNV profile image73
    MikeNVposted 6 years ago

    I've read comments on nearly every War Story and over and over and over... the citizens are ignorant, the media always sides with Obama, and the REAL HERO's those who put their lives on the line... repeatedly loath Obama and his War for Profit Agenda.

    "I was stationed in the late 90's under Gen. McChrystal at Ft. Benning GA. He was the 75th Ranger Reg. Commander. If there is one thing I can tell you is that he is the closest thing to George Washington that we will ever see. I can speak for all of us that served under him that we would follow him into a deadly battle. I wouldn't follow Osama Obama anywhere. Just remember, When Gen. McChrystal speaks, the thousands of men that followed him listen too. Rangers Lead the way!"

    And this is the guy Obama is going to fire for speaking up and telling it like it is.

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      cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      sorry, but everyone serving supports the President, regardless of their political leanings. that is because, to them, he is their Commander In Chief.

      please don't make sweeping generalizations about our loved ones serving in the military. thank you.

      1. Valerie F profile image59
        Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Respect for the office of Commander in Chief should never be confused with approval of the job the person in that office does.

  2. Flightkeeper profile image78
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    Well of course, McChrystal showed the world what Obama and his admin are really like -- incompetent!!!

  3. Pcunix profile image89
    Pcunixposted 6 years ago

    Military types trend toward Conservative.  I'm sure they dislike all liberals.

    1. Sab Oh profile image59
      Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Works out well that the feeling so often seems to be mutual.

  4. MikeNV profile image73
    MikeNVposted 6 years ago

    It's not a liberal conservative issue... it's simply a money issue.  There is big money in War.

    People like to think that liberals are somehow against making themselves filthy stinky rich.  They are not.  They are just more deceptive than "conservatives" who like to flaunt it in the open.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I thought liberals were "giving away our hard earned money to lazy folk."  And are "America haters"!  And since I live in Georgia, I am not surprised at the conservative spin put on anything in this state.  You can't sling a cat without hitting a member of the religious right!

      What is the Libertarian idea of what our military should be?

      1. PrettyPanther profile image83
        PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Waiting ... once again ... to see if Mike will answer a direct question.

      2. bphee profile image60
        bpheeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Privatized.
        Pardon the pun.

      3. Jeff Berndt profile image91
        Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "What is the Libertarian idea of what our military should be?"
        Practically nonexistent.

        Real libertarians do not like the idea of standing armies and would  like to demobilize 90% of our armed forces, keeping only what is necessary to patrol our borders and keep them safe from actual invaders.

        Of course, Conservatives (who are not libertarians, no matter how much they give lip service to Liberty) do not want to cut defense spending, and nobody (conservative or otherwise) who has a base in their state or district wants to do that either.

        1. TMMason profile image73
          TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don't believe all libertarians today would want the military dis-banded. They are realists also and see the need for a standing army in this day and age.

          Only the suicidal left like San Fran's mayor gavin newsome is espousing that, these days.

          I do not know of too many libertarians which call for that.

          http://civilliberty.about.com/od/uscivi … arians.htm

          1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
            Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Exactly:
            "Of course, Conservatives (who are not libertarians, no matter how much they give lip service to Liberty) do not want to cut defense spending, "

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              C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Has nothing to do with it. Its the Millitary. You speak "out of turn" regarding your superiors in public...and your a General?  Yea, your done. Unless your superior is spineless....I guess there is a chance the "media" got it wrong too....

              1. Bacall profile image59
                Bacallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Obama would not fire someone that is the best man for the job. He says that all the time. Most likely he will send the General back to Afghanistan with a Public Relations Officer.

                1. rebekahELLE profile image90
                  rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  not so sure he is, but we'll find out tomorrow.

                  the article is worth a thorough read before forming an opinion.
                  http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne … how_page=0

                  in response to the title of this thread, another blanket statement which is not true.

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                  C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  He already has a PAO....There is also two diplomats....There is more too this story than meets the eye. He's gone.

              2. Jeff Berndt profile image91
                Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "It's the Millitary. You speak "out of turn" regarding your superiors in public...and your a General?  Yea, your done. Unless your superior is spineless."

                Yup, that's my assessment as well.

                "Has nothing to do with it."
                Yeah, that got a bit off-topic there. Sorry about that.

  5. PrettyPanther profile image83
    PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

    Some people in the military loathe Obama; some don't. 

    How do you know Obama is going to fire McChrystal?  Do you have a plant inside the White House?

    What McChrystal allowed to happen is a no-no, especially when soldiers are dying in Afghanistan.  It's up to his boss to decide if it's an offense great enough to be removed from the job.

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      C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      McCrystal is probably correct and completely out of order. If he doesn't get fired, Obama will be painted a paper tiger...unfit to lead. If he fires him, he makes a martyr, much like Olie North. This is what happens  when you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to train someone for a extremely difficult and peculiar job, only to second guess him/her. In this case with the ideas of those that are impracticle and baseless.

      History will show, Obama was hated by the US Military....WE HATED CARTER TOO!LOL

      1. PrettyPanther profile image83
        PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The "US Military" is not a single-minded entity.  It is made up of individuals who have their own thoughts and ideas.  To lump those individuals together and make assumptions about what they believe is insulting to them.

        1. profile image61
          C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          LOL, thats funny......

          1. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Really? Why?

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              C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You wouldn't understand. It would be like playing chess with a cat. It proves nothing....and it annoys the cat.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I see.  You have no way to explain yourself. 

                News flash:  not everyone in the military loathes Obama.

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                  C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Of course not EVERYONE. I interpreted it as a generalization.....a little context and nuiance.....Get it? No...didn't think so....

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Try using facts next time.  Then you don't have to avoid being questioned about your response.  Don't worry about it though, it's a typical conservative fault!

                  2. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    On the contrary, I totally get it.  You're mischaracterizing "the military" to further you own point.  I hate it when people do that; it's a pet peeve of mine.  It was a skill honed to a fine art by the previous administration and used against those who disagreed with the invasion of Iraq.

                    Nice of you to continue the tradition of using "the military" to further an argument.

              2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry you are annoyed!  Side-stepping the question, obviously!

  6. TMMason profile image73
    TMMasonposted 6 years ago

    I believe most in the Military are smart enough to see Obama for what he is.

    1. bphee profile image60
      bpheeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Commander-in-chief.

      1. TMMason profile image73
        TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, that too.

        That is why they grin and bear it with honor and dignity.

        And I don't really lose much sleep over what you think, Randy. but yes the amusement aspect of it is mutual, you are a funny fellow.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The difference is, I can tell the difference between the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence!  Not important to you, as you have shown on these forums, but to those who reference their contents correctly it makes quite a difference.

          But keep trying, you might get lucky and guess right once in a while!

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            C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            "The difference is, I can tell the difference between the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence! "

            When the horse is dead....GET OFF!

          2. TMMason profile image73
            TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            are you still way back there?...

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Of course not!  But you are still confused!

    2. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am no longer surprised at what you and KFC believe, TM!  Still amused by it, but not surprised at all!

  7. Jeff Berndt profile image91
    Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago

    I wonder...are the mid-level officers still resigning in droves as they were under the last president?

    "How do you know Obama is going to fire McChrystal?"
    Well, there's a precedent. It happened to MacArthur when he made certain comments during the Korean conflict...

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And don't forget Patton's problems during WWII!  (My father fought under "Ole Blood and Guts)!

    2. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, I agree there is a precedent, and it wouldn't surprise me at all of Obama fires him.  But saying Obama is going to fire him is premature.

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        C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Of course he's going to fire him..... or at least he should. What does it hurt Obama? Think it's going to cost him the Military vote?LOL What does it hurt McCrystal? They are only going to relieve him of command....not fire him in a literal sence. They are going to send him home. He will retire and become a hero.....Like MacArthur, Patton, North. Hell he might even run for public office!

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    woolman60posted 6 years ago

    What are you saying a General speaks and you jump on the band wagon against the President, and the military "DOES NOT" loathe Obama. "GET YOUR STORY RIGHT".

    Do a little research, the general is mad over strategy in Afghanistan and wants more troops and Obama said "NO", you want more troops over there then you run for president of the United States of America, which you seem to think you know how to run a country.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lately, the neo-cons seem to be griping about Obama not bringing the troops home quick enough.  When Dubya was in office the same ones were against ending the Iraq war.  Now they are mad because Obama doesn't want to increase the number of troops?  Didn't they once like to use the words "flip-flop" describing a democrat?  LOL!

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        woolman60posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        This is not a Democrat war this is a war started by the so called true Americans, known as Republicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me a break we did not start this war.

        1. Valerie F profile image59
          Valerie Fposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually, this war was started by Al Qaeda cells supported by the then-government of Afghanistan, not by any Americans, Republican or Democrat.

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            C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Oh there you go throwing logic around....lol It's wasted.

  9. TMMason profile image73
    TMMasonposted 6 years ago

    He is mad cause his men are dying while Obama refuses to fight a real war. He has already said we are leaving. To keep our men there while the enemy knows we are cutting any day is retarded and a waste of American lives. This war is lost... we should cut and run already... we have already forfeited.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So you agree with Obama?

      1. bphee profile image60
        bpheeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How would he know?

      2. TMMason profile image73
        TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That is somewhat of a trick question.

        I do not agree with the timeline or the ROEs, but he gives the orders and that is the order. So why are we staying there when there is no serious effort to win this war.

        He quite... simply by ordering the with-drawment of forces by a specific date. you might as well have said just shoot at us till we leave... cause we are going.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And how did Dubya do any better?  "I am not concerned about Osama Bin Laden at this time"  Remember his denial of this statement?  It was proven he said it though!  Were you really impressed by his attempt to "get things done"?  Oh, I forgot, you are an independent and not favoring the right!  Sorry!

          1. TMMason profile image73
            TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No I wasn't impressed with his attempts or his strategy in afganistan.

            Have never stated I was randy.

            If you want to know something just ask man... no need to be so snide about it.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So who did you think was the person who could have done a better job, TM?  McCain?  And if he croaked, then Palin?  Ron Paul?  surely not Obama?

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                woolman60posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You have got to be kidding me, this is a trick question right, of course Obama is doing his best, or can you do better?

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Sure it was a trick question!  I wanted to see who TM voted for!  But for some reason he neglected to mention this.  I am sure there was no better choice than Obama, considering the conservative nominee and his running mate.

              2. TMMason profile image73
                TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                None of the above... we don't get to choose the president... we choose between the two progressives they put up. Did you really think the last few elections were any real difference.

                I would've liked to see someone like Romney if I had to have picked out of that bunch.

                But again, it hasn't been our choice for years.

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                  woolman60posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No mattter how much anyone complains about Obama, America has spoken and he is our president for better or worse, just as George Bush was, or who ever the next President will be. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  So you didn't vote for McCain/Palin?

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                    woolman60posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No way, anything to do with Palin no thank you.

  10. Pcunix profile image89
    Pcunixposted 6 years ago

    I still wonder what this is supposed to mean.

    If the military does hate Obama does that mean I should apologize for my vote and hang my head in shame?

    The vote was close.  We can say that 20% or more are fools who really shouldn't be voting at all, and we could argue about which side has  the larger number of ignorami, but no matter how we slice it, we have to accept that there are a large number of reasonably intelligent people who - gasp! - look at the same facts and come to different conclusions.

    Given that, should we be hating anyone over political differences?

    1. TMMason profile image73
      TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      it just alienates a voting block... most times the military goes heavily conservative anyways. So I doubt he cares.

  11. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    Well, the troops should really hate Romney! He's the one who was asked why none of his 5 sons had signed up to fight in Iraq, since he was such an ardent supporter of the "war".
    He said, "They are serving their country by helping me get elected.".....

    And I guess we forget easy...it was McCrystal who lied and covered up about Tillman's death. He didn't want to the military and Bush to look bad, remember? SCUMBAG! imo

  12. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    I think he resigned.

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      woolman60posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Gen. Stanley McChrystal is prepared to submit his resignation at a meeting with Obama on Wednesday at the White House, two military officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

    2. bphee profile image60
      bpheeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Who?  TMM?

  13. Flightkeeper profile image78
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    I frankly think that McChrystal wants to be relieved of his duty.  It's the only way not to deal with these dunderheads known as the Obama Regime.

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      C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree.

    2. Jeff Berndt profile image91
      Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe so, but if that's the case, the gentlemanly thing to do is to resign his commission.

      That's what a lot of officers did during the previous administration.

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        C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I wouldn't compare the resignation of a junior to mid grade officer to that of a flag. There are statigic benefits to causing a "stink" so to speak.
        During all wars there is an increase in desertion and resignation. The problem gets worse after 24 months. There are many contributing factors. For instance a unit operating out of its area of expertise. Example and expeditionary force serving as an occupying force. They get bore, disgruntled.....

        The mid-grade officer resignations more than likely has to do with rediculous ROE's. These ROE's have not gotten better with Obama.

        1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
          Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          ROEs?

          You're going to have to explain the TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms) to us civilians if you want us to grok (understand). smile

          1. profile image61
            C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry, ROE = Rules of Engagement. These are the guidlines under which you are allowed to engage the enenmy.

            1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
              Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Gotcha, thanks.

 
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