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Female Sex Offenders should they be Sterilised?

  1. theirishobserver. profile image60
    theirishobserver.posted 5 years ago

    Female Teacher sex offender: A female gym teacher has been charged with committing sex acts with students from her high school football team.

    Stacy Schuler, 32, appeared in court in Mason, Ohio today accused of 19 felony counts of sexual battery involving five male students and three misdemeanor charges of serving alcohol to underage youths.

    She faces a maximum of more than 96 years in prison if she is convicted of all the charges.
    Accused: Mason High School gym teacher Stacy Schuler, 32, had sexual contact with five of her pupils between last August and December, a court heard

    The health and physical education teacher at Mason High School, who has never been in trouble before, was released after spending the weekend behind bars.

    But she will have to wear a GPS device on her ankle and was warned by the judge to stay away from all high school students.

    She is expected to resign the job she has had for the last ten years at tonight’s Mason School Board meeting.

    ‘A teacher is a person with authority over students,’ said Chief Assistant Warren Count Prosecutor Bruce McGary.

    He said Schuler had sexual contact with male students on five different occasions last year, but he did not explain the nature of the misconduct.

    Mason High School Principal Mindy McCarty-Stewart said Schuler would have ‘opportunities to have contact with students through athletics'.
    Tip off: Schuler, who worked at Mason High School in Ohio, has been under investigation after an anonymous tip was called in to officials last month

    When the boys’ parents found out about the allegations, they ‘were surprised and they had no idea about it', said Mason police Detective Toni Hoelke.

    If found guilty on all counts, Schuler faces one to five years in prison on each count of sexual battery and six months in jail on each count of serving alcohol to an underage person.

    School officials launched the probe on January 10 after they received an anonymous tip that a high school teacher was inappropriately involved with a student.

    Charged: A Warren County Sheriff's Deputy escorts Stacy Schuler from the station after she turned herself in on February 4

    The unmarried gym teacher, from Springboro, Ohio, has been on paid leave from her $53,194-a-year job since January 18.

    Arguing for her release in court today, Schuler’s lawyer Charlie Rittgers said she had the support of her parents, who were in the public gallery, and that she had never had any problems with the law in her life.

    Shuler is charged with four counts of sexual battery with one of the male students on August 20, three counts of sexual battery with another student on August 27, four counts with another student on September 10, four counts with another student between September17 and October 15 and another four counts with the fifth and final teenage boy between December 1 and December 23.

    None of the alleged sexual acts took place on school grounds.

    Shortly after being hired in 2000, Schuler earned a certificate of completion for a four-hour course called ‘Child Abuse & Neglect Training’ to train teachers in recognizing students suffering from abuse.

    The authorities said George Coates, a mason High School assistant principal who resigned last week, had allegedly sent Schuler text messages involving sexual images.

    But police said he is not under investigation and the alleged acts did not involve students.

    1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image93
      Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I would say "thank you" for posting this, as the previous forum post that suggested that men suspected (courts never prove anything, you're a suspect till you're dead) of molestation should have their genitals mutilated through castration.

      . . ..but the thing is, I find the whole topic obscene to begin with.  Male castration is so offensive and obscene that the only thing that approaches it is molestation, and even that is obscene in it's current definition.

      Seventeen year old boy screws a fifteen year old girl, and some idiotic horrifically sick individual had suggested that that young man should be castrated for a sex offence????

      I'd never been disgusted by a topic discussed on this website until I'd seen the "should child molesters be castrated" thread.

      Sexist, sadistic, obscenity bordering on mental retardation is what I thought about that one. 

      ~done venting for the moment~

  2. Ralph Deeds profile image68
    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago

    That's a ridiculous idea.

    What about these guys?

    PHILADELPHIA — A grand jury on Thursday accused the Archdiocese of Philadelphia of failing to stop the sexual abuse of children more than five years after a grand jury report documented abuse by more than 50 priests...

    The Rev. Edward Avery, 68, and the Rev. Charles Engelhardt, 64, were charged with the rape and indecent assault of a 10-year-old boy in St. Jerome Parish in Northeast Philadelphia in 1998 and 1999. The teacher, Bernard Shero, 48, was accused of assaulting the same boy in 2000.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/us/11 … amp;ref=us

    1. Evan G Rogers profile image84
      Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago

      I understand that this is a response to the recent forum post "should sex offenders be castrated".

      I like the point you make: it says "castrated", which only happens to MEN.

      However, I must remain true: no. Why would we mutilate people who have committed a crime but not mutilate people who commit other crimes?

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image68
        Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Both topics are clueless.

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          FemaleMolestersposted 5 years ago in reply to this


          1. Ralph Deeds profile image68
            Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I agree with the Supreme Court decision cited by Atul Gawande;

            "3 Forced castration is immoral. In 1985, the Supreme Court recognized this when it ruled that involuntary surgical castration constituted cruel and unusual punishment. The court may be persuaded to let chemical castration stand because it is theoretically reversible. If this line is crossed, politicians would have little to stop them from seeking forced treatments to control other behaviors, such as adultery (for which castration has historically been a punishment), prostitution, or the consumption of pornography. As medicine's arsenal expands (we already have drugs to limit libido, hunger, and depression), it is conceivable that laws could mandate even wider uses of medicines to control the population."

            It's not uncommon to read newspaper accounts of people released from prison for rape after DNA evidence revealed their innocence. Your proposal is irreversible. I'm not suggesting that child molesters or rapists should not be apprehended and punished in a more civilized way.

            It's not clear to me from the articles you cited what would be accomplished  by subjecting women rapists to hysterectomy and oophorectomy. I'm not sure whether relationships between teachers and teenage boys are attributable to hormones or psychological factors. Seems to me that other methods for discouraging child molestation by women are more civilized and appropriate.

            I find Irishobserver's preoccupation with this subject tiresome and perhaps aberrant.

    2. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image61
      VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 5 years ago

      Even if sex offenders are sterililsed, it will not be effective.... offence will continue.

    3. superryoga profile image60
      superryogaposted 5 years ago

      Lol. Sterilizing a woman does nothing except making them have sexual relations more. it does not remove their sex drive, it just makes it so they cannot be pregnant. Sex without penalties... I am sure this isnt punishment. Just a form of birth control the rest of the taxpayers pay for.

    4. theirishobserver. profile image60
      theirishobserver.posted 5 years ago

      Sexrime continues to be treated very lightly here in Ireland, perhaps it is education rather than castration that is needed?

      The Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission and a senior Garda officer are holding separate investigations into the treatment of two women who were arrested during protests over the Corrib gas project late last week.

      Members of the force were inadvertently recorded on a video camera they had earlier confiscated joking about threatening to deport and rape one of the women who had refused to give her name to officers.

      The video camera was not fully switched off after it was seized by gardaí and it recorded exchanges between several gardaí in the vehicle in which they were travelling.

      The two women were arrested on a public road last Thursday about 30 minutes after one of them had been taken down from the roof of a tractor hired for Shell’s preparatory work on the Corrib gas pipeline at Aughoose. Both women were released without charge.

      They are upset about the exchanges that were recorded and say they were manhandled by several officers during their arrest near the Shell compound for the new Corrib gas pipeline route in north Mayo.

      The woman who was carrying the video camera says she had her arms forced until she dropped the camera, and sustained bruising. Her colleague says she was treated in an “unnecessarily physical fashion”.

      Both women said they wished not to be named, and neither wanted to comment on the record on the incident.

      Supt Pat Diskin of Belmullet Garda station said a senior garda from outside the division had been appointed to “establish the facts and report on the matter”.

      The women were arrested for public order-related offences, and a file is being prepared for the Director of Public Prosecutions.

      The Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission said today it has also begun an investigation into the incident. “GSOC has not received a complaint relating to this matter, but is empowered … to investigate matters where the Commission feels it is in the public interest to do so.”

      Speaking this afternoon, Kieran FitzGerald from the Ombudsman Commission said: "The reported conduct of the gardaí is of such a nature as to warrant an investigation because it alleges some serious remarks and some serious conduct, which, if proven, would reflect badly on society in general and the Garda Síochána in particular."

      Mr FitzGerald told RTÉ radio it was important the public was reassured that an independent inquiry would take place, adding there had been several previous complaints relating to policing surrounding the Corrib gas pipeline since the Ombudsman Commission was set up in 2007.

      An academic at NUI Maynooth, where one of the women is studying, has condemned as “outrageous” the content of some recorded conversation. The camera on which the exchanges were recorded is believed to have been the property of the college.

      It was some hours after their release that the women discovered their camera, which was returned to them, had not been switched off. It was in the possession of gardaí leaving the scene in a separate car, and during the journey it had recorded exchanges between several gardaí.

      One garda can be heard on the tape saying that one of the women “sounds like a Yank or Canadian”. Another garda said: “well, whoever, we’ll get immigration f***ing on her.”

      A more senior garda picked up the conversation, saying “she refused to give her name and address and [was] told she would be arrested”.

      “And deported,” his colleague continued.

      “And raped,” the more senior garda said.

      The conversation continued in jocular fashion, with the more senior garda saying: “Give me your name and address or I’ll rape you.”

      Amid some laughter, another garda said: “Hold it there, give me your name and address there, I’ll rape you.”

      “Or I’ll definitely rape you,” the more senior garda responded.

      The 37-minute recording also features differences of opinion between the gardaí in the car over use of equipment and training to deal with protests. One garda expressed concern about responsibility in court proceedings if a protester was injured during removal, and it transpired that there was insufficient equipment or training. His senior disagreed, and said it was a matter of “common sense”.

      The Dublin Rape Crisis Centre today said the alleged comments made about the protesters were "unacceptable."

      "Making suggestive comments about rape and sexual assault is not funny whatever the situation or circumstances," said chief executive Ellen O'Malley-Dunlop. "Comments of this nature are totally unacceptable in any context but are much more serious when made by people in authority and who are supposed to be the guardians of our society."

      The National Women’s Council of Ireland called on the Garda Commissioner to act.

      “Joking about raping women is never funny,” said chief executive Susan McKay. “Women need to be reassured that if they are raped or sexually assaulted they can report it to gardai who understand that these are deeply traumatic experiences. They must not be left wondering if their distress will be a source of amusement.”

      The council also called on the Commissioner to reverse cuts to spending on education and training in rape awareness for gardai. “While we are aware that many gardai respond sensitively and carefully to victims of sexual violence, It is blatantly obvious that for some officers at least, such training is urgently required,” said Ms McKay.

      Sex abuse support group One in Four said it was astonished by the comments.

      “Gardaí have spent years trying to change the culture relating to sexual violence in the force, and nowadays most victims of sexual crime have a positive experience when reporting to the gardaí," executive director Maeve Lewis said.  “However, the terrifying comments made to the arrested women make us question how much that culture has really changed, and will certainly undermine the confidence of victims in reporting crime.”

      Dr Bríd Connolly, lecturer in NUI Maynooth’s adult and community education department, confirmed that one of the women arrested was a student at the college. “This recording is an affront to women, an affront to freedom to protest, and rape is not a joking matter,” Dr Connolly said. “How can women who have been assaulted have any confidence in the Garda if this is the sort of attitude that prevails?

      “It undermines the work done with the Garda by rape crisis centres and Women’s Aid, and takes us back 40 to 50 years,” Dr Connolly added.

      Sinn Féin justice spokesman Jonathan O’Brien said he was disgusted by the comments. “The gardaí have a lot of questions to answer around it,” Mr O’Brien said. “For somebody to put their trust in the gardaí and to have it betrayed in this manner, it’s not on and it’s very disturbing.”