A refreshing political story...

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   for a change - Romney and Paul friends behind the scenes:
   
   http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/us/po … r=2&hp

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      Gypsy Willowposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How refreshing! They will be able to learn from each other for the good of the people they are supposed to represent. Skewed beliefs may be straightened too.

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      Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Romney knows he needs Paul's endorsement (he'll never get it).
      
      And Paul knows that he'll be assassinated the second he gets into office.

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         steveamyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         and everybody know that will never happen ....

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   Hi, Gypsy! I thought it was a nice change from the mud-slinging. lol

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   Aficionadaposted 12 years ago

   Very true!  How encouraging that people who are in the limelight can disagree and still be friends.

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   Alexander Markposted 12 years ago

   Love it. That was an engrossing article. Habee, you should start a "nice-news" outlet. This makes me love Ron more, and like Mitt a little more - maybe he's not the snake in the grass he appears to be.

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   "When Mr. Romney arrived later, he offered his jet to take them home to Texas."
   
   I'm sorry---I just don't want anyone who flies around in a private jet as president.
   
   In fact...I have always had my suspicions about Paul, and this just makes them grow.

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      Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Doesn't the President fly around in a private jet? Jumbo shrimp, Military intelligence, things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah...but it comes with being president.
         
         I don't think the Obama's rode around on a private jet in their private life.
         Don't even think Bush did!

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            Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I'm sure Obama and Bush both traveled in private jets before they were President. Know what? Nothing is wrong with it.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Didn't say there was...it just struck me when I read it,and I don't want someone like that as president. He's way too biased on the side of big business, and lives the big business life-style.

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                  logic,commonsenseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  and you're okay with Obama running around the country campaigning on the taxpayer dollar?

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Romney was gone for all his term as Gv last time he ran for pres....
                     And Bush campaigned for his second term too.
                     
                     Obama is doing his job just fine. And I have no problem with his running....
                     
                     He has to, or they would drown him in lies.

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                        innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        LMC. You have someone like you are describing as President. Obama changes his positions and voting habits on a whim, presumably when the price is high enough. And you're complaining about a private jet? Come on.

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                           lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I don't agree. And why can't I have an opinion? I don't want another rich  business man running our country...is that ok, or must I bow?

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                              innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              It's not a matter of agreeing. It's the truth. Obama has gone back on every promise he made during his campaign.
                              
                              And if that is true, I hope you are in favour of impeaching Obama!

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                                 lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 That is a lie...and I'm used to it. And expect more.
                                 
                                 Keep on...it won't get your guy in.

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                                    Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    "You can take that to the bank"
                                    
                                    ... thank god I didn't, we still have troops in Iraq.

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                                       lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       How's the war going?
                                       
                                       Oh yeah...that was never a "war" in the first place.
                                       
                                       Did Obama start it? no. Can you just end it at the snap of a finger? No. Not even saint Paul.

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               habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               It's only wrong when a Republican spends money on luxuries. Haven't you figured that out yet?

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      habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      LMC, can you EVER see the good in anyone if he's not a liberal??

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         My problem is not with the good in him, it's the bad that worries me.

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            Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            If the president doesn't promise to NOT touch LMC's uterus, she wants him dead.

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      Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      
      In what way does this make your suspicions of Paul grow - do you mean the fact that he is capable of being friends with someone he disagrees with?  That he can maintain his position and policies, while having a friendly relationship with people who think differently?  That would seem to me to be a plus. Doesn't diplomacy of all sorts require the ability to work with people who have differing views?
      
      Or - just for clarification - are you suspicious of Paul because Romney offered him a ride?  Didn't Paul refuse it?  Or did I read the article too fast?

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         No--that he's a big business shill just like Romney.

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            lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Like this:
            
            "Peter Thiel can afford to donate 1.7 million to Ron Paul but taxes on the rich are "too high"
            
            and before anyone says "what about Obama?"....he wants to raise taxes on the rich...which would include himself.
            
            Romney and Paul don't.
            
            Can afford for a ceo to make 53 mil....but have to offset any higher cost of doing business on the consumers....attitude like that.

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               Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I don't really understand what you are trying to say with this post.  But I do thank you for your first answer to my question.

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                  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You're welcome.
                  
                  I only meant that they favor the rich, both of them, IMO.

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               Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Taxes aren't charity.
               
               NEXT!

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                  lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  No, but tax breaks are a gift to the Uber rich from members of our gvt.

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                     Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     No, they really aren't.
                     
                     "Hey, I'm going to steal less of your money"
                     
                     This isn't a gift, it's a reduction in theft.

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                        lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        No--it went like this:
                        
                        "We are going to take more $$ from the middle class so you can keep more of yours. That way, we still have the gvt we all want and USE, and you can put more in Swiss banks."
                        
                        Well, except for the 2 military engagements and the prescription drug bill...those we'll put on the tab for the next guy to deal with, who we can then turn around and blame for everything!
                        
                        "Only the little people pay taxes."
                        
                        "You are our base, we will support you."
                        
                        Mission Accomplished!

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            Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Umm... wow, I don't know what you're smoking, but I seriously recommend stopping.
            
            Paul isn't a Corporate Schill. In fact, almost all of his money came from private individuals like me.
            
            Stop talking about Paul, because you're making yourself look foolish.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I'm a woman. Paul is anti-thetic to my freedom--as are all the R's running for prez. I will scream till I'm blue in the face, thank you.

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                  Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You said he's pro-big business.
                  
                  You were wrong. In fact, he recently warned that we're heading to a fascist state and that we need to quit giving federal money to companies.
                  
                  Keep screaming till you're blue, I hope you pass out.
                  
                  And, people don't have the freedom to kill babies.

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Ron Paul is against regulating business....and plenty of business kills babies. Just ask those kids who are forced to live next to oil refineries or coal plants.
                     Drink the water poisoned by corporations, who Paul wants to be free to kill at will.
                     
                     HEY!! That's MY new smear. Ron Paul: Free to Kill at Will. Drink and breathe that poison...the gvt will let it happen for you.
                     
                     Nice politics, huh?

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                        innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        The Thames in London was cleaned up through the market - people wanted clean water so they got it. On the other hand, the government teams up with corporations to put flouride in the water :3

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                           lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           *Lalalalalala*--don't tell me about business....listen to me about the gvt.

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                              innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              I've just told you about business...teaming up with the government. I recognise flaws in both institutions, you only recognise it in one.

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                                 lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Really?
                                 
                                 Then how come you want gvt telling me what to do, and letting business do whatever it wants?

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                                    innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    False dichotomy. Freedom is a stricter and more efficient regulatory system than any government. This is because human beings want to help each other. We have a lot in common - I hate big business exploitation as much as you, we just disagree with how it could be stopped. You say government regulation, I say free market regulation. My method has been much more effective in history than yours.

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                                       lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       Not from my POV.

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   lovemychrisposted 12 years ago

   No, it's just the flip way about it: "Need a ride home? Here, let me fly you on my private jet."
   
   
   ....We've had enough big business types as pres...whole 8 years of "all for oil"
   It's just enough for me. That's all.

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      Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Obama's a millionaire
      
      Burned.
      
      Obama's income has quadrupled while he has been president!
      
      Double Burned!

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Obama's policies help those who aren't. Quadruple burn.

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            Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            They help if you're ignorant to economics.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You, apparently, have been ignorant to the past 12 years of life in America.

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      innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Obama's biggest campaign contributors included:
      JP Morgan Chase
      Goldman Sachs
      Microsoft
      Citigroup
      TIme Warner
      UBS
      General Electric
      Morgan Stanley
      
      Triple burned!

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         lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Obama's policies are geared to help people who aren't Uber rich, to get people working, and move our country into the future--rid us of all the BS of the past.
         Some people are stuck in the past....stay there!
         
         And all those donors you listed could not match the Koch Bros or Adelson....so that's a dead issue right about now. We are dealing with people who have billions of dollars: One Man.
         
         Makes wall street look like kid in a candy shop.

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            innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Give me 5 examples of Obama's 'helping' policies and the demonstrably good effects they have had on the people. The proof is in the pudding.

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               lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               1. Lily Ledbetter Act---equal pay for women
               2. Make Work Pay act....responsible for getting 95% of Americans a tax break.
               3. Black farmers FINALLY got paid for a lawsuit that has been going on for decades. Blatant discrimination finally resolved.
               4. Mountain are got federal recognition as a disaster area, and was CLEANED. People were dying from the effect of mountain-top blasting by the coal companies. Ignored by previous administration.
               5. Agreement between the US gvt and business.... to hire returning vets. They get tax breaks....Vets get jobs.
               
               I could go on, but you asked for 5. This is off the top of my head...if I researched, it would be quite a long list.

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                  innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Okay so women getting equal pay, tax breaks for working Americans (pointless act if you're supporting the welfare state), one particular case of discrimination solved and an act trying to patch up a problem that he could fix completely by actually giving Vets the pay they are owed, and Obama is a good President? And besides, the last one is a discriminatory law. Businesses must hire who they believe to be the most talented individuals available, regardless of their previous career. Maybe people won't hire Vets because killing other human beings is not a very profitable skill set in the free market!
                  
                  Examples of Obama's horrible policies:
                  1. The passage of NDAA - the official legal right to detain American citizens indefinitely, and even assassinate them.
                  2. Sanctions and embargos on Iran -  is inevitably going to lead to yet another war.
                  3. The refusal to cut spending and borrowing - inevitably going to lead us in to another economic collapse (the real-life economy has not recovered since 2008. Ask your average single mother how easier her life has gotten). This is also increasing unemployment for minorities.
                  4. More subsidies to BIG BUSINESS: "An investigation by The Washington Post found that the Energy Department has approved nearly $4 billion in federal grants and financing to 21 companies supported by firms with connections to five Obama administration staffers and advisers." Infowars.com
                  5. The eradication of freedom of conscience, as we have seen with this whole birth-control debacle. First it is birth control, then what is it?
                  
                  Would you like me to go on?

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                     Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     You could kill LMC's mother in front of her eyes so long as you add "... but abortions are ok".

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                        lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        This is a slander and an attack...and it's TYPICAL of the tactics of the Reich.
                        
                        and I do mean Reich.

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                     lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     No--I didn't ask you! YOU asked me.
                     
                     I can hear the negative anytime I wish...just by turning on a tv or radio.
                     
                     I prefer the positive, which I find on twitter.
                     
                     RW debasing and degrading is old news.

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                        innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        NO NO! *puts hand on ears* do do do do dooo, I'm not listeningggg, lalalalalalaa I can't hear youuuu

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                           lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           That's right..I didn't ask, and I've heard it all before: Mega-blast 24/7.
                           
                           I do turn it off.....it's psycho talk. I'm not into reverse psychology.

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                              innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              You may have heard it all before, but have you listened to it before? You can verify everything I've said, it's all true. It's just what you do with the facts that is important.

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                                 lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 I'm not interested....you can come up with facts about anything to debunk anything!
                                 
                                 For example...this A.M., I was looking into gas prices. Depending on how I phrased the question, I came up with the SAME reporter, writing on the subject and blaming 2 different entities for it!
                                 
                                 Same reporter, differently phrased, and 2 different set of "facts".
                                 
                                 Here is where I am coming from: I am sick of rich people with policies that help the rich running this country. Period, end of story. That is all I focus on. OK?

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                                    innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    I'm sick of it too. But what you advocate is only going to exacerbate the problem.

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                                       lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       Not from my POV.

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   SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years ago

   ..this thread title definitely caught my eye....the word refreshing and politics just don't seem to go together...

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