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Best Answer Vladimir Karas says
I rarely venture in to the religious section these days. But sometimes, when I'm bored, I look to see if there are anti-atheist rants going on. Then I mess with them for the hell of it.
Thanks Val and L.A.C. I just did my meditation and as an exercise "allowed" a few mosquitos their breakfast upon my body. It was a great lesson on "integration." Intimately so, without destroying them!
Austinstar - That's exactly what I used to do. But I repeat, some of those non-intrusive believers I do respect.
I lost respect for them years ago. They need to earn respect, and i just don't see that happening in all their copying and pasting and failure to answer the actual questions. They get really into name calling and whining too.
Thanks everyone for your input. I will close this Question shortly, so it does not become bogged down like the others have done when left for too long.
Best answer goes to Vlad, thanks Vlad. But everyone has had useful input. Respects to all.
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Jeremy Christian says
Jeremy - Has it ever crossed your mind that "saving" a non-believer is an insult to his intelligence? How would you like if an atheist wanted to "save" you from "religious delusions"? Would you appreciate his "altruistic intentions"? I doubt it.
Of course I appreciate it. Anyone who takes the time to lay out the logic for something they believe I have wrong, I appreciate the effort they put forth to correct me. Is it insulting to save someone from wondering into traffic?
Jeremy - Do you REALLY believe that a normally functioning, relatively happy, relatively successful atheist "needs" something like "saving"? From what? From imaginary. illusory danger?
From a very real danger of missing out on what it's all about. It's not about a handful of decades of managing to be "relatively happy/successful". What a devastating waste of time and effort that would be if mbillions of years culminated into that.
Jeremy - As a teenager I once had a problem convincing a girl that I didn't want her love. Believers' insistence on "saving us all" reminds me of that. In normal world it's called "imposing", "intruding", "being a pest".
I too live in the normal world and to me it's care, love, concern. It comes from a place of pure intention for your benefit. Plenty more to be insulted by than from someone wanting to reach out and help.
Jeremy - From your comments I think that you should really focus on "helping" YOURSELF. - Our chat is over.
Just trying to bring some perspective. Lessen the hate. Clearly I failed.
Jeremy - It's so hard to say good-bye to your lack of understanding. I don't "hate" you, man, where did you get that one? You are "saving" without a danger, you are "lessening the hate" that doesn't exist" - what is your imagined "holy mission"?
Just an understanding that there's more than just what can be seen. Like these differing mindsets. Totally invisible to others, yet undeniably real. The danger a believer sees IS real. Is the traffic real to the man under the bag? He doesn't see it.
Jeremy - "Is the traffic real" to a man who wears a bag of delusions? How do you know it's a non-believer to cross the road? Why is your mindset more competent than a non-believer's - other than "because you say so"? Is your "believing" a proof?
Jeremy - you do not see what it is like to live WITHOUT the threat of "hell" hanging over your head! I can tell you that it is enormously peaceful to realize there is no "hell". It's all in your head.
I totally agree, Austinstar. For me there is no after-life so it and the threat of retribution is absent from my mind. Everything relates back to connection between me and this physical world - and of course with my neighbour.
I dont believe in hell. So I dont have that either. My problem with atheism is that it doesnt stand up logically and fools one into thinking that all life is is this handful of decades we each get.
Your view of atheism is incorrect. We don't believe in gods, but I, for one, believe in the infinity of life, the universe and everything. No beginning, no end. no death at all. We just change structure on the infinity scale. We are the universe!
And thats fine. Thats something more in line with accounting for all that life is. But it does seem a tad convenient if its all as you say, yet totally unintended to be that way.
Austinstar - I know your explanation is much more elaborate (just like mine), but we are on the same page there.
Yes, Jeremy, stick with your extremely inconvenient god theory. That deity makes perfect sense. Weird how a burning bush tells you how to live your life.
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Jeremy, we have conversed so many times in the past. I still respect you but continue to disagree with your premises. "What a devastating waste of time and effort ....." Only if you think there is a designer who will be disappointed in YOU.