Why are there so many questions here concerning Christian(or belief in God) vs Atheism?
Is this the best platform for discussing these issues and are people really interested in the answers, or is religion vs non-religion just a controversial topic that will attract lots of debate and generate money from ads?
some do seek for genuine answers. I once asked and got very reliable answers.
The money thing I learnt about only recently. Some I feel just get their 'kicks' that way, others like to tease; some are caught up in the ego thing, and others have way too much time on their hands.
Hi Jodah. I forgot to mention that there are a few genuine ones, of course ...those who ask specifically because they need to know and are usually satisfied with the answers, commenting in a constructive, but wholesome way.
Manatita - You are so right. Count me as one of those who have fun exchanging opinions with people and not taking these casual chats seriously. This is not some academic level debate, just expressing ourselves, no lecturing.
Hi John! Both a Christian and a believer here, one who doesn't mind what other people believe or not. I have always been attracted to people holding vastly dissimilar opinions. How boring life would be if we were all the same.
When I first arrived, I was surprised by the sheer numbers of these debates as well as the venom on both sides. I prefer a friendly discussion or a civil debate any day, but don't particularly mind if someone needs to take out some anger and frustration on me in a forum, especially if it makes them feel better and keeps them from clubbing someone on the street. Communication of any sort opens up a possibility for finding common ground and better understanding - or at least that is what I tell myself.
As for the people who ask these questions, I'd assume they must have genuine interest in the topic. I can't imagine the ensuing trickle of pennies is worth the headache of moderating one otherwise.
I have never asked a question of that sort personally though but mainly because there are always so many questions open that are similar to whatever I would have asked. If one goes back far enough, some of these questions basically repeat over and over again.
This is definitely not the best forum for any meaningful discussion on religion. Replying to a reply intelligibly in 250 characters or less is nigh impossible (for me anyway.) I have offered people to message me instead if they want a sincere and friendly discussion with a bona fide Christian believer. So far no takers. Maybe they'd prefer an unfriendly exchange of ad hominem attacks. Some people must, since it happens often enough.
I enjoyed answering your question as best I could. I do hope you find a more satisfying answer, because I'd like to read it as well.
On the contrary Besarien, this was a very satisfying answer. I am also a Christian and believer but I feel there is a place for all views and religions. As you say it would be a boring world if everyone believed the same and there was no debate.
As Besarian says, 250 words isn't enough space for a decent reply. I think if one is sincerely wanting answers, the person should put it in a forum.
Besarien - I like your flexible and objective look at this topic. You are definitely one of those believers that I greatly respect. And you John are another, now that you are here and asking this question.
A great question while I agree some use it as strategy for it to be supplemental with views for Google. Questions do count seen at Google Analytics while Answers don’t. Of course the goal of views through Hubs is the intent with the greater strategy as a writer/author at HP seeking readers from the web.
Why this topic is very popular today and repeated so much is maybe quandary. That said it is ongoing with history here and worldwide with belief systems while progress with melding is growing. I think for some it is strategic seeking discovery of something or is practicing this or that.
After following the Q&A for years as well as the forums where it can be much more heated in tone it is continuous. I think at task is it speaks directly to belief systems themselves at both a personal and organizational level rather than using belief with life challenges. Those are social issues, politics, career, lifestyle, and curiosity topics themselves.
I think there is a God-shaped vacuum in everyone and it is only natural to try to find the thing that fills it. If you've found what works for you, you probably want to share it.
I was just checking on some comments and answers and I caught my myself for just a second and realized that I really am interested in what people have to say.
There are a ton of interesting perspectives out there and most seem worthy of noting. The rancor does not bother me as I see this as a safe place to blow off steam.
All questions are not equal. Some are good and some are outright bad.
Not all answers are really trying to answer the question but seem geared toward and agenda. But all that is interesting also.
Clearly some of the questions are just to pick an argument. But faith or lack thereof is serious business to most so the subject matter is critical to getting people who care about what they are talking about.
Really -- people make money off the questions?
I hope that most participants are mainly concerned about the imposing aspect of religion - not the belief itself. since everyone has a right to privately believe what they want. It's the organized religion's interference with public life that bothers so many non-believers.
On the other hand, I have asked a few questions of a challenging nature, curious about possible answers from believers. I have also been expressing my reasons for not believing, and I owe thousand apologies to anyone who took it as an insult. Unless I was provoked I never had a reason to belittle anyone's position.
To be perfectly honest about it, such discussions are intellectual fun, like a game of chess. They are definitely futile, but fun. We are here on HP to derive some fun out of it - not to lecture to each other. While expressing our opinion we may help someone to refine their views, but it should not be our primary motivation. Let alone venting out some accumulated steam, having an ego trip, or otherwise being uninteresting to others.
Being a life long intellectual adventurer I always had that urge to turn up every stone, and to pull the devil by the tail by not accepting things for their face value. Thinking out of the box is my passion, so to me it's natural to also challenge people' belief systems. I have done it with medical doctors, skeptics, psychoanalysts, and now religionists.
From my liberated open mind's perspective, I see many flaws in religious beliefs, and I am simply curious why grown up folks insist on believing in something that has no logical base. If I called it nonsensical or any other way - that doesn't mean that believers "should" see it that way. I am not normative, just expressing my own observations. These observations include many religious folks not acting out what they are preaching, so that's another theme for me.
Well, all in all, everyone has their own reasons to hang around these issues. As long as they are fair, it shouldn't really bother anyone.
I am glad that I asked this question as it is attracting very intelligent and interesting answers such as this Val. It is always good to try and understand why others think the way they do, even if you may not agree.
I like his answer. It is similar to my viewpoint.
Vladimir, I see you said you're a nonbeliever. I have a question I don't want to make a page about because I don't want a debate, just an answer. How do nonbelievers explain ghosts? I'm not trying to offend, I'm looking for a simple answer.
Daydreamer - I am far from being an "expert", but what you are calling "ghosts" could be another dimension of us, talked about in Buddhism which is atheistic. They also believe in afterlife. As a rule, spirituality is different from religiousness.
Daydreamer 13, I know your question was aimed at Vladimir, but my father was an atheist and he didn't believe in ghosts. They didn't exist to him so he didn't explain them.
Thank you both for answering my ghost question. I'm just trying to sort it all out.
It's a great place for asking any questions that may generate ideas for hubs. You may notice that people who ask or answer questions tend to then write hubs inspired by answers or questions. That is the TOS specified intent of the Q&A.
As to the specific topic, it's clear believers and non-believers think differently from each other and HubPages is a safe place we can find common ground and try to understand each other and then take that common ground out to the real world.
If the conversation about discarding gay teens had been dropped everywhere online, the progress being made against that practice wouldn't exist. One in four LGBT teens and young adults are thrown out of their homes or abused until they leave every year in the US. I've taken in about two dozen of those kids into my home over the years and helped them find places to live.
The people who have helped the religious teen LGBT abuse and neglect situation the most are the moderate and liberal Christians. It turns out many of them had no idea it was going on or at what levels it was going on before they entered discussions online. Average Christians have jumped on board with LGBT rights and safety issues as impacted by religion in general in a very big way. Most people in our society are Christians, but Christians vary a great, great deal. We have to talk with them and reach common ground or the problems we see can't be fixed.
The Q&A is very, very safe compared to other online areas where belief and the societal effects of religion can be discussed. I got to HubPages about eighteen months ago and I've participated in the Q&A ever since, but I haven't gotten a single threat from anyone regarding what I discuss in the Q&A. That is very, very unusual. I get two to three threats or profanity-filled messages of hate speech on my barely maintained old atheism blogs every week (that only get a few hundred views a week!) and when I used to discuss atheism, homelessness, or certain aspects of science elsewhere, I've gotten my inbox full of foul language and threats.
Some people seem to think the Q&A is like the Wild West here, but they must not have much experience with other discussion sites.
As to why discuss it, it's something that impinges on our lives very frequently. I can't go more than a day without some negative religious commentary on some aspect of something I do.
Change happens by communicating with each other.
Thank you for a wonderfully detailed explanation Kylyssa. I guess Q & A is a safe and relevant place to discuss such things especially if the intended purpose is to generate ideas for hubs.
Thanks for asking the question. It's also a good idea to talk to people from a culture not your own before writing about the way their beliefs interact or react with your own culture and beliefs.
Kylyssa Shay: You have 284 followers. With that, you are bound to receive a lot of nasty feedback. I have something like 89 followers, and I select them very carefully.
You seem to misunderstand both my post and what followers are. Followers choose you, not vice versa. The threats I get come from sites on which I get a lot more views than I do on HP.
Kylssa -- I don't know how it works for you but I'm allowed the option of who can be a follower or not.
Incorrect. You can choose who you follow but not who follows you. http://hubpages.com/community/forum/135 … -followers
I thought you could deny a follow request.
Jodah, This is the big question. I have often wondered & thought to ask this question, so I'm very glad you've done it. Thanks!
There does seem to be an inordinate number of Q's & forum threads on this topic (in one form or another.) IMHO, the vast majority of them start out reaping interesting and/or educational discussion. We may or may not find new or different opinions from people, but we can discover the vast realm of this topic.
Most of these threads however bring up strong emotions & so many individuals become upset, insulted & even outraged. When the interaction gets out of hand and off track, it all seems to lose it's meaning.
I enjoy joining in a discussion on most any topic just as much as anyone. With this particular topic though, I find there's a point where it's clearly time to exit.
Let's face it Jodah, the reality is; Seat 12 people in a conference room, suggest this topic and what occurs will be 12 specific, unique, varied & individualized responses. This is quite normal & expected. Peace, Paula
Thanks Paula. I was wondering if this was a relevant question to ask but your response indicates that it was worthwhile, It is amazing the amount of different and unique responses the question can promote.
@Jodah, The different and unique responses are the point of the Q&A; the questions are just subject prompts.
I think it is both. There are people who are interested in the topic and enjoy discussing their ideas with other people. There are people who like to debate the issues, and then there are the rabble rousers. No matter what one says they always have a smart alec answer, but at least HP is trying to weed these people out.
I also have seen comments from people who say that they use the questions to promote themselves and bring traffic to their hubs. I've also noticed that most of the questions they ask concern religion, so it must be a very popular topic for whatever reason.
As for myself, I just enjoy seeing other people's answers. I was raised in a home with by a Christian mother and an atheist father. (I've written a hub on this) So that is why I enjoy reading other peoples' viewpoints and sometimes joining into the debates. I don't think it is appropriate for people to get so riled up when others disagree with them, especially the atheist/Christian debates, but as someone else said, it's better to call each other names on HP than to get violent in the street. Because of my upbringing, I can walk the middle and sometimes get amused at the answers.
This is a good question, John, and I've enjoyed reading the other comments.
I'm glad I asked the question as it has prompted wonderful answers like this MizB. I too can take the middle ground on this matter and feel it is something people should be able to debate civilly as there is a place for everyone in society. Thanks.
It is one of those questions that stir the bubbling pot. People get all worked up over the topic of religion. I actually think some people enjoy the adrenaline rush, perhaps that is the only form of excitement in their world. I'm just speculating here. Nevertheless, as worked up and bent out of shape as people get, I wonder why they keep it up. Money might be a real attraction because people do get paid a few pennies whenever they have traffic to their questions. Whatever the reason, Christians versus atheists is a heavily debated topic and will always capture a ton of responses.
I wonder if it's the same people over and over. To me it's a temporary thing. I couldn't care less for those pennies, for intellectual fights, or proving anything to anybody. Just curious - before I leave it altogether, and focus on my hubs again
Yes, Vladimir, I think it is the same recognizable people. I am on my guard whenever I see their name in the comment section. If I see them, I get out and run the other way because I know they are about to start talking smack.
People are very inclined to stand for what they believe in and are just as inclined to educate others as to why they believe a certain thing versus other teachings. Yes, there are always those who see dollar signs but mostly, I think, people are interested in what others have to say on the subject. Religion is a subject that will always spark interest, no matter what one's beliefs are regarding the subject. Also, depending on how the question is worded, sometimes people feel the need to defend their beliefs. Religion is a fascinating subject and will always draw interest. Good question!
John, your "why" is as big as every born person's hunger for identity. Consciously os subconsciously, deepp inside of us is that void to be filled, a "man created to the likeness of the Creator." There is missing something, and in this age where the science has 'answered "all these 'unanswered' questions the religions in competition to provide a satisfactory answers. The "christian" religion is targeted because the "faith/ belief" in the biblical message has strong supernatural connotation of historical events interfering in our daily affairs of physical/ intellectual creating more questions if not approached in spirit and truth. the Christian"belief in God" is creating curiosity from both atheists and religionists due to manifestation of the power of the Word of Truth as revealed by the Man of Galilee. From Him more than ever before, the two spiritual entities are revealed in ever active form : good and evil, righteousness and unrighteousness. I will restrain myself using God's vocabulary spoken by the Man of Galley , however everyone knows who has embraced His system seriously in spiritual capacity, is exposing himself/herself to the persecution up to loosing the very physical life. ..
To my understanding, this is kind of a background to these questions : a desire regaining the inner peace and a place given to the man by the Creator.
Thank you for that in-depth answer Michael. Interesting.
Youre welcome John. In my view, every participant in the forums related to God the Creator of the universe as well as "christian religion' deserve a sincere answer pointing to the Way leading via the Truth to the Life everlasting.
It's the echo of the souls of mankind. Then it bounces off of other souls of mankind that is living on the earth on February 19, 2016 A.D. and forever. Echo Echo Echo...
John, questions of a religious nature arise on Q&A for three reasons:
a) some people are genuinely wanting to start a debate that might in some mysterious way bridge the gap twixt non believers and believers in the hope that they, as individuals, can make spiritual progress in their own lives. These kinds of questions can produce quite meaningful debates.
b) some people want to polarise opinion further by loading their questions 'at an angle' shall I say, thereby antagonising non believers and entrenching believers or vice versa. These questions inevitably induce a storm. Vitriol and fire and brimstone are in evidence, people get carried away, hurt, offended!!!! On and on ride the half crazed crowd!!
c) some people are only interested in a cash reward - albeit a pittance - so pose their question as openly as possible thereby attracting all kinds of participants - non believers, believers, agnostics...the whole spectrum! These kinds of questions live on a knife-edge, answers can go either way.
I think these religious questions have a place on Q&A. It's up to us, the writers, to participate as we see fit and hopefully to create answers that take the debate into new and inspiring territory. People who are here only to bash, smash and clash become boring!
My wife is a "believer" and I am not, and we've had some heated exchanges. The lesson learned is to let people believe what they want -- even if their belief system seems nonsensical. At some point the discussion becomes less about the topic itself and the respect one has for another individual who may hold contrary ideas. The aspect of holding respect for another individual's thinking is paramount.
Because Reddit doesn't allow debate on these subjects beyond a narrow range, beyond which the moderators typically don't.
I'm neither a Christian or Athiest but I see the stories and the Hubs about both sides and I also see how polarized the two sides are. I personally think that it's not a good thing for Hubpages as it divides the community. Then again, the writer must write and if people feel their faith is an important part of their work, then who am I to stop them.
You are not imagining things - I asked a similar question, earlier. Some of these questions are legit; but the majority of them are passive-aggressive responses to each other's leading questions - as opposed to arguing them out within the original question (because you can't debate someone who isn't actually asking a question; but really trying to stuff their passionate opinion down everyone else's throat).
There needs to be another way to 'choose' what stuff goes on the top of pages instead of just the 'new' stuff. Surely there are other popular hubs on the topic of religion that deserve a spot on the front page, first.
Because the bible teach a lot of F***ed up thing
“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father's house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst. “If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.
1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. (In other word, all scientists are anti Christ, because they say the earth is over 5000 years old)
If Christianity is so F***ed up, it is easy to image why so many people would loose their faith and become atheist and their children will also be atheist and so on. But some Christian groups are just as extreme as Taliban, but unlike in the middle east, there are no chance for religion extremists group to militarize in the west. But those people are still there and those people who would join a Christian version of Taliban, if it exist, also exist on hubpages
Really I can answer for my self , I generally read many hubs of subjects, I believe we write to be heard, that is the same for questions in forums , what do we want people to hear, mostly our experience of what is the truth to us. Even if you do not believe in a God of all things created, you still want to be heard.
When what you want to share as your belief is not welcome to be another's view many tend to get affended , or even go as far as an attack on your right and choice.
Really there is so little a person can learn about you behind a, computer, not fair to judge the whole person by it either, but people will get carried away and defensive.
I do believe we can speak up for the truth.
But be ready to prove your reasons. If it is not good enough for some people it will never be.
But God Almighty already knew this to be the case as he intentionally says
Ro 1:20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.
He says we all can see his work in visible and invisible
He does not excuse those who decline his proof.
But not forced to accept it.
Hi John. Good question. Religion, God, Christianity, like politics, are hot topics. I dont read and answer them anymore. When it comes to questions from non-believers that Christians are likely to reply to, it often is to bate a strong response from the Christian. Sometimes it is the othet way around. When things get contentious and heated I see it as a spiritual battle. Light and dark using words as swords.
Then there are sincere respectful people who want a legitimate answer and a respectful exchange. I have written a lot of hubs on Christian themes. The few that got people riled were on topics such as sin, hell, and the devil. The sparks fly from the opposers. I have let them go and don't talk to them because they are only interested in arguments, being right at all costs, and beating the writer down.
The vast majority of them are designed to agitate. I've watched with interest while folks beat a dead horse, and to an extant it's entertaining to read all the answers and comments. However, it's also a massive waste of time.....I've had to pull myself away from reading them. Anyway, the answer is agitation - some folks get off on agitating.
Religion and politics are 2 hot button issues. I wrote an article for Yahoo! Voices about religion once. It was a relatively innocuous article. The hit count exploded and I got a ton of feedback. I was surprised about how much venom there was in the feedback. I didn't mind since it helped prove the point I was making. The upside is posting articles on religion and politics seems to be a good way to get a good hit count.
I think it's because some people believe we are living in the "last days" and that's why there is so much crime and stuff, plus wars. Somewhere in the bible, it says in the last days, that people will turn away from god. (Athiests) But throughout the centuries, people have turned away from god, anyway. There has always been crime and wars. Somewhere in the bible (I haven't read it in 40 years) it says not to be troubled by rumors of war because the end is not yet. It isn't supposed to come to an end until peace is proclaimed throughout all the lands. Also, the moon is supposed to turn to blood. I think that means eventually, mankind will have a war on the moon and have bloodshed, or, it might be the color of it some day. Another thing that was proclaimed, was that homosexuality would occur. It already has for centuries. I think people are scared that the end is coming soon. I don't think we're that lucky, yet
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