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The most important thing

  1. janesix profile image59
    janesixposted 3 years ago

    The most important thing you should consider over anything else is how you treat others.

    It's great to find God, but it's more important to just BE A GOOD PERSON. It's what everyone should strive for first. Not money. Not beauty. Not knowledge.

    At the end of the day, all you really have is what you choose to give to the world. Why not make it something good instead of something selfish, mean, cruel, belittling, arrogant, trivial.

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      Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Good point, but the bible teaches that the most important thing is to believe in the God of the bible. Do you disagree with it's teachings. I was unfortunately at a Catholic funeral last week where the priest said the most important thing was to get all the sacraments as only then are you guaranteed a way into heaven.

      1. janesix profile image59
        janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I don't agree with many of the teachings in the Bible. I follow my heart, not a book. There are some things in there that feel right to me. Others not so much.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Few believers in a god will agree, unless you simply mean that the bible is a lie.  The edicts, commands and desires of their personal god are far more important that what their heart says.  One has only to read to story of Abraham (and believe it) to fully understand that.

          1. janesix profile image59
            janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe a lot of the Bible is a lie. I would suggest a better word is "stories", that were taken for real possibly.

            Think about it. It's mostly obvious allegories and metaphors. Many of the stories say pretty much the same things,altered here and there.

            Anyone who takes the Bible as literal fact is fooling themselves for some unknown reason. Probably not stupidity, possibly just fear of admitting the Bible stories aren't true. Fear of offending God, or maybe other Christians.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              All true, but irrelevant.  All I was trying to say is that an awful lot of people put whatever they think of as "god's word" ahead of what they want.  Or at least profess to; the things they want always seem to seep through, usually by twisting "god's word" into what they want anyway. 

              As far as the bible being literal fact - if it is indeed God's Word, given to us in order that we understand what He wants, then it WILL be understandable to all.  It will not need "interpretation", it will not need to be read as something it does not say.  Only if it means exactly what it says can it ever be considered as available to everyone.

          2. janesix profile image59
            janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Do YOU agree?

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              A little foggy - do I agree to what?  That some people imagine up their own god, complete with instructions and commands on how to live?  Sure - we see it all around us.

              Do I think that those imaginings are truth?  Not a chance.

              1. janesix profile image59
                janesixposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I meant do you agree that being a good person, being good to other people, is the most important thing?

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Compared to following the edicts of a make believe god?  That mostly tells everyone to do whatever they want anyway? 

                  Hardly a comparison at all.  Yes, being good to other people takes priority over following the bible or any other holy writings or beliefs.

          3. HowardBThiname profile image89
            HowardBThinameposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Abraham - I vaguely remember that story. He was the guy that was going to kill his son - for God. But then, God told him he didn't have to.

            I remember thinking - damn - I'm sure glad I didn't have a dad like Abraham.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yep.  Not only kill him, but burn him at the stake. 

              Glad I didn't, too.  Even if he never did it the emotional trauma would be debilitating; any day now, Dad's gonna burn me!

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        Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Love God, love your neighbor as  yourself, and all the law is fulfilled. If you argue for anything else you didn't get the point of the book. If you argue that the book pushes any other final point, then you didn't understand the book.

        It's pretty simple and a major thread which runs through the base of almost every religion. Theists ignore it and atheists ignore it. The reason why is obvious.

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          Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Right, love God first. Then neighbour (tribe), and a list of all the things we should do to the people we conquer from other tribes. Sounds like something some tribe leader made up to empower their men?

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            Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Ummmm. Think about it radman. What is God? The source of all things. If God is the source of all things then God is all things.

            Your other point might have been valid sometime in the stone age, but is it, truly, relevant now? Love your neighbor as yourself. Who is your neighbor now? All of humanity.

            Sounds pretty simple. Love all things. Give your neighbor the respect you give yourself. Sorry if that sounds heinous to you.

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              Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              No it sounds nice, but that's not at all what the bible says. Your first stretch was deciding God is all things when there is no evidence for God at all. You can make stuff up and believe what you want, but OT was written to keep a tribe empowered. It perhaps made sense to them, but making sense of it now would involve the kind of stretches you've just done.

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                Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Oddly, you need to run to the OT to find validation for your opinion. That isn't relevant, according to the gospels. You sound like a theist to me.

                I wasn't arguing whether or not God existed. The question is, if he exists and if he shared pertinent information through Jesus Christ, what was that pertinent information. If Jesus Christ did have pertinent information wouldn't the spoken words of the Son of God supercede any all musings of men on the topic? If it did, then why are you ignoring it?

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                  Rad Manposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I one believes Jesus to be the son of God as prophesied in the OT the one must take the OT as the word of God as well. Jesus (if we believe what was said about him) did not speak of there being anything wrong with the OT. If one is going to take a piece of that pie, you've got to think the entire pie would taste the same.

                  At least that's the way I see it.

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                    Emile Rposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I agree. And I disagree. I do think to believe in Jesus means you have to believe in the God of the Old Testament. However, I think if you do, you have to take his words, follow his words, and notlet anything supersede his words. Again, if he is the son of God should someone such as  Isaiah or Jeremiah be taken more seriously? Should Moses be followed? Should Paul take precedent? Who had authority?

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      christiananrkistposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It a worldview without God , why should anyone care how the world is left?

      1. Zelkiiro profile image84
        Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        In a worldview with God, why should anyone care how the world is left?

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          christiananrkistposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          LOL. yes. thank you.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image87
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    What is good is common to all.
    What is good? What is bad?

    to answer, one must ask:
    *good for what?
    *bad for what?
    Also one must consider that the highest good is that which is for the sake of itself and something else.
    There is no such thing as good or bad.
    Goodness or badness is based on...
    what?
    (after all, money and beauty and knowledge are not bad things!)
    What You think is good, Another might not agree...If you decide love is a good thing to give to someone, and that person does not want what you have to offer... then your love, which you thought sure would be a good thing... is bad to that person. If you happen to think that constantly talking to your child will make him smart, and he ends up being the opposite of smart, all that interaction was not "good" for the child.  Or if you think that never letting him cry and always catering to his every whim, will show him how much you love him... and he turns out to be a lazy, unappreciative oaf of an individual, all your good intentions were not actually "good" for him. If you think that giving your child, at an early age, the latest and greatest in smartPhones, iPads or lap-tops, etc. will make him smart, but all he ends up being is severely addicted, all that technology and your "goodness" in providing it, was not "good" for him at all.
    So, while you, janesix, may think it is an easy matter to say, all we need to do is be good to one another.... it is trickier than one thinks.
    Signed,
    Contributing Here in The Name of Argument.

  3. Zelkiiro profile image84
    Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago

    The key opens the lockbox that contains the paints. That's the "most important thing" the painter was referring to.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image87
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      ...as long as he painter knows how to paint. Love requires logic and good intentions require wisdom.

  4. Jerami profile image75
    Jeramiposted 3 years ago

    it just seems to me that Atheists can rightfully argue against different interpretations OF who or what a God IS; because there are so many different interpretations, conflicting interpretations!                          It doesn't seem possible for them that ALL of these can be correct. These are all opinions concerning what  something is!   The same can be said about most everything. 

    Just because my comprehension of what a thing IS is incorrect, does not necessarily mean the thing does not exist.    There are a few people that might say that I have created a few homes in my life time because I assembled the pieces together to build a house. Depending upon what a persons definition of create is, some might say that I "are"  a creator, while others argue ( rightfully so), that I am not one.

    SOooo   whether or not the house exists seems to be up for debate.   
    Sometimes our logic isn't as logical as we would like to think.

  5. lone77star profile image89
    lone77starposted 3 years ago

    janesix, I'm in love!

    Seriously, this is one beautiful topic and beautifully presented.

    When you excel at being a good person (not for your own, public self, but privately and even anonymously), you are finding God. You're finding love in its truest sense.

    This is transcendent. This is responsibility on rocket thrusters. For when you take 100% responsibility for everything around you and that happens to you, there is no room for blame or being a victim. No room for complaints -- only more love.

    Thank you, janesix, for making my day.

    May the love of Christ, Allah and Buddha, be with you always. And may your cup always remain empty so you may continue to learn, and others may learn from your example.

  6. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 3 years ago

    the most important thing....is how i treat myself....the rest will fall from there...e.g. how i treat people etc etc etc...my 2 cents....my beliefs...right or wrong

    1. BuddiNsense profile image61
      BuddiNsenseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

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