... your judging me ...

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   Doc Youngposted 9 years ago

   ... could be "your" judging me or "you're" judging me ... depends ...
   
   ... wwjd ... four letters that made a lot of money for a lot of people ... that is an observation
   
   ... wwjd ... that is one of the dumbest questions ever posed by the Christian community ... that is a judgement ...
   
   ... so what is the difference between an observation and a judgement
   
   ... and when does an observation become judgemental ...
   
   ... when, if ever, is it proper to make a "verbal observation" without being judgemental ...

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Huh?

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   Cgenaeaposted 9 years ago

   So not everyone gets it, it seems.
   Observation is knowing a tree by its fruit.
   To me, observation crosses the line of judgment when you try to say what should, or will be done with the fruit that you see.
   This is a really good idea.
   Many tend to feel judged when others tell them what they perceived from their actions. However, as you have pointed out, clearly enough to me, observation is not the same as judgment.

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      Doc Youngposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      ... thank you ... do you have thoughts on when it is proper to point out error to another ... and what your purpose and foundation might be ... maybe examples and a verse or two ... and don't be concerned about the "sharpshooters" that are sitting on the edge waiting for a chance to be obnoxious ...

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         GA Andersonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         That is an interesting question. I understand that using "WWJD" seems to place it in a religious context, but would I qualify as a "sharpshooter" if I suggested that it would be a more fruitful discussion if it were addressed without religious connotations?
         
         I think the question of when an observation becomes judgement, or if an observation is intended as judgement, or even can an observation, (beyond the descriptive "the sky is blue" type), be anything but a judgement.
         
         As a religious discussion I see too much potential for nothing more than a series of unbending "I'm right, you're wrong, because the Bible says so" arguments.
         
         Just sayin'
         
         GA

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            Doc Youngposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            ... thank you ga ... no, i wouldn't consider intelligent responses such as yours "sharpshooting ... you'll know um when you see um ... as to the matter at hand, wouldn't you think this issue has to be handled in the same fashion on either side of the cross ... as to the religious connotation, we have two more words that come into play ... contending and contention ... one being the statement of ones Biblical position in an effort to support scripture and the other being an argument of, lets say, doctrine ... one must "contend for the faith" without being contentious ...

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               GA Andersonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Well thanks for that.
               
               I think I will be a fish out of water if I tried to continue. I have all kinds of opinions, observations, and strongly held beliefs about right and wrong, moral - or not, self-importance, righteousness, and one's standing to judge. But as a religious discussion I am not qualified to validate my responses.
               
               GA

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            Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Your bias is showing. I notice you didn't say, "Im right, you're wrong b/c Darwin said so."

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               GA Andersonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               You might be right... if every mention of a religious contention or perspective must include a Darwinist comparison. 
               
               Was that a judgmental observation?
               
               GA

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                  Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Were you judging my judgmental observation?

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                     GA Andersonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     I recall an old observation of a noted orator that answering a question with a question was really an answer of its own.
                     
                     GA

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                        Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Is that so?

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                  Doc Youngposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  ... possibly you might like my expose' on evolution ... its a hubpage called "The Firefly, a True Example of Evolution" ... it uses similar logic as darwinism, except without plagiarism ...

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                     GA Andersonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Oh my, a shameless plug. But Ok, I will take a look
                     
                     GA

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         Cgenaeaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Well, in matters of the spirit, "all things lawful are not expedient." There are times when truth is not helpful. Such as, Jesus stated that nothing that goes into a man makes him unclean, but that which comes out. It helps to not tell those who feel convicted by eating sacrificed meat, that it is ok; like Jesus said it is.
         If one honestly feels like they may get to the God of Abraham through the teaching of Buddhism or Crowley, they must be told the truth of the matter.
         "You cannot get to God via Crowley" is not a judgment. It is repetition of scripture.
         I think the spirit is for guidance in the matters of what is/is not needed.
         I honestly believe that Jesus left instruction for us to be clear on what he says so that we may know when we hear deviance. It is always important to clear up deviance in scriptural understandings, according to my spirit. I just do not believe that the father will be happy with he who allows what God does not allow.

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            Doc Youngposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            ... i like the analogy ...

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years ago

   LoL    Obnoxious Sharpshooters!

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      Doc Youngposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      ... love it when folks giggle ...

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