WHO IS A CHRISTIAN?

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   samanthalovesgodposted 15 years ago

   A christian is someone who loves the Lord and puts him first in all he says and does.  You can't get to heaven by your own works.  I am sorry but it is true.  Jesus died for us.  Read your Bible everyday and say your prayers in the way you know how.  Speak in  heavenly prayer.  Witness to others who don't know Jesus.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Do you realy sit down and read that Bible by yourself every single day?  What is it telling you.  Perhaps you should read the other posts here to get a better understanding of this question.

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   Andrew0208posted 15 years ago

   The Title of this thread is a revelation of Who Is A Christian, driving the eternal true state and identity of a believer. A Christian here is not a church goer nor a religious player of Christianity, but one with a recreated human spirit by the Word(Scriptures). One who believes in the realities of the Death, Victory, and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
   
   One who simply dwells and walks in Love.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Who is qualified to say whom is a Christian and whom is not?
      Jesus dwells in the hearts and minds of men and he was not one to disscriminate who and what those are.  So all walk in the role of a Christian because if he is in us then there are none who walk without him and his values and ideals.

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         SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         But actually, Christ can be "dormant" as such in those that have "chosen" at some level of consciousness to not accept The Christ Living within as mediator between God and human.
         It is a choice of free will to accept and allow Christ to work within onesself, or not.
         
         All that are alive on the planet have their own "degree" more or less of Christ alive in their heart, or not...they are in this life to learn and desire to chose to become/allow more of the Christ, so that they can reach their Ascension (the ultimate state of the Living Christ within) One with God, the Universe and everything.
         
         We all have a ways to go.

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            Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I would have to agree with LG and SJ here to some extent.  Andrew you are not saying that a church goer or a religious player of Christianity are not Christians, are you?  For me the vital most important part of being a Christian is to obey Jesus Christ by receiving the Eucharist; we acquire the grace of the Holy Spirit through it (John 6:46 - 64 & Hebrews 2:4).  I have to be a "church goer" to receive the Eucharist.

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               Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Jesus didn't say we had to partake of the Eucharist to follow him.

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                  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Jesus surely did say we are to partake in the Eucharist if we want everlasting life Lady Guinevere.  Here, in the words of Jesus Christ Himself from John 6:46 - 64.
                  
                  
                  Jesus couldn't have said it any clearer.
                  
                  In the Catholic Bible verse 67 says "After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him."  Coincidentally or not, the same verse in the King James Bible is John 6:66
                  
                  Hebrews 2:4 is talking about the disciples (priests) distributing the grace of the Holy Ghost through the Eucharist.
                  
                  
                  No SparklingJewel the Eucharist is much more than a symbol.  It is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ that He asks us to eat in John 6:46 - 64.  The Eucharist has been the same for 2,000 years.  The Spirit of Jesus Christ is within us when we receive the Holy Eucharist.  Actually SJ the Bible does not say the "Kingdom is for all".  Jesus died on the cross for all that choose and obey Him.  Matthew 26:26 - 28 says this,
                  
                  
                  Note above how Jesus says "shed for many", it doesn't say for all.  The Gospel of Mark 14:22 - 24 says the same.  The King James Bible also says the same in both Matthew 26 and Mark 14.  After reading John 6:46 - 64 again I'd have to say that receiving the Eucharist is a prerequisite.  So as we can see SparklingJewel, those Catholic rituals that you speak of were started by Jesus Christ Himself.
                  
                  Let the Peace of Jesus Christ be with you
                  Mike

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                     Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Who said that---Paul or Peter or wasit Luke?  Better watch the DVD or go to my hub and see it there and there is more information then just the videos there:  http://hubpages.com/hub/Peters-Foundati … -Obsession

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               SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Even the Eucharist is a symbol of what the Christ is within the human being...is it not? Jesus (as the example of how to be the Christ) said his "Kingdom" is for all...remember there were no Christians or Catholics (or thier rituals) when He said that. So what was Jesus really referring to?
               
               I think I relayed it once in the forums...communion represents the Word and Work incarnate...the blood and body (respectively) of the Christ state of consciousness that Jesus exampled for us to follow. Communion is the ritual for remembrance of this lesson for all to follow. communion is symbolic of that teaching.
               
               And that teaching is a ritual/habit that anyone can follow by helping others, in love and care of fellow human beings.
               
               And the Holy Spirit is acquired with the continual repetition of that habit that becomes ritual, a mystical action embodying more of that Christ (through the belief of the example Jesus set) with each repetition.

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               Andrew0208posted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Going to Church is needful and very important for a believer, for unto the Lord shall the gathering of His people be.
               
               Christianity is beyond being religious. God is a Spirit. A Christian is one who is born of the Spirit by His Word. The Ministry of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer in Christ Jesus(A Christian) is the joy and fulfillment of Christianity.

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   Andrew0208posted 15 years ago

   A Christian is not religious. Religion is political.

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   Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

   Oh I misunderstood you then Andrew.  Thank you very much for clarifying what you meant.
   
   Who said that Lady Guinevere?  Jesus said it, quoted in 3 of the 4 Gospels by Matthew, Mark and John as I mentioned above.  DVDs and Hub articles are okay but I think we should use the Word of God through the Bible or what has been handed down to us from tradition as our authority.  I think daveearley summed it up pretty well on your Hub.  I believe he is referring to 1 Corinthians 3 that states in verse 21 "Let no man therefore glory in men."  Dave also says that we should be united in Christ as one body then asks the right questions too, that we should be asking ourselves.  "Did we listen?  Did we?"

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      Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Oh I see---you don't want to learn about the Bible from other than what some men have put in that Bible.  I will not spoon feed you like the church does and how do you know for positive that they are using the word of God and not Their own?  They can tell you whatever they want when the read the Bible to you up in the pulpit and you wouldn't think any different. 
      Are we listening to Jesus's words or the churches words??? hmmmmmmm......
      Chicken!!!!!  Too Chicken to watch DVD's About The Books of The Bible!!!! hahahahahahaha!  Sow what you reap---karma!!!

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   Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

   Now, now LG, there's no need to get snarky.  I watched the videos before my last post.  That's right, you will not spoon feed me at all, nobody else either I hope.  It's just a matter of reading John 6:46 - 64, Matthew 26:26 - 28 and Mark 14:22 - 24.  There is no interpretation needed with these verses, they are very clear in what they say.  Besides what does your Hub have to do with anyone receiving the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ as mentioned in the above verses?  Completely nothing.  You are off on a tangent all by yourself LG.  You seem to have an ulterior motive.

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      Andrew0208posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      O! You did observe that too.
      
      LG has her message different from the Bible teachings. I thank God for the great gift of the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things, guiding us to all truths. They Scriptures cannot be broken. John 10:35

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         Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Wow name calling huh,,,,,,,,hmmmm par for the course.
         
         Ponder this then:
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         John 20:29-31 (Young's Literal Translation)
         
         29Jesus saith to him, `Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed; happy those not having seen, and having believed.'
         
         30Many indeed, therefore, other signs also did Jesus before his disciples, that are not written in this book;
         
         31and these have been written that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye may have life in his name.'
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         How can one vbook have all the information yet states that it does not?

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         Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You got that right Andrew.  I try to start off each day with a prayer that starts off like this, "After the Power of the Father, the Wisdom of the Son and the merciful Tenderness of the Holy Spirit ..."

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      Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      ******Mike, I would like to take this time to apologize to you for calling you names.  A Good Christin would apologize if they knew they were wrong and I was wrong.  I posted this before you posted on my hub.  It crossed.  I am sorry.
      
      My problem is not with Jesus or God, but the politics involved with putting that Bible in the hands of people who really wanted power over the people.  If you were to write a book about someone and were asked to write about a conversation (word for word) that happened 30 years ago, would you remember word for word what they said?  I doubt it.  You would remember the event though.
      It has been proven through hubpages alone that the words of the Bible are different in each different translation.  We may never have the full story becasue even those books and things were burned in the Jersulalem Temple fire.  It doesn't matter who did it or who was blamed for it--they were burned. 
      Who found  the books that are now in the Bibleand many more?  How long did they sit in the Vatican before they were transcribed and where are those first transcriptions.  Now many people think tha they are not Catholic so they dont agree or what have you with the Caholic Church, but what they don't realize is the books of the bible were given to the Catholic Monks to transcribe.  Those monks were under rule of the Emporer and the Kings of Roman rule.  Therefore all the translations come from the one original transcriptions the Catholic Monks did. 
      
      Jesus said that we are to use no books--and that means the Bible in his referrence.  He said that the Law is already on the hearts and minds of men---all men, not some and he did not disriminate against anyone.  He was with sinners as you know and robbers and those types of people.  He also states that the Kingdom of GOD (not Hell or Satan or the Devil) is WITHIN You and he didn't discriminate against anyone with that either.  It was also stated and I posted the verses that say so that everything was not put in that Bible.
      In the OT it says tht sin is as far from us as the east is to the west and north is to south.  In the NT it tells that Jesus has locked Satan up and Evil and the Devil or the serpent or the dragon (which ever version you choose to read on that one).  He cannot get to us--for as long as Jesus has put him down for. 
      
      Jesus said that we love him (and no discrimination there either) because he first loved us....he added nothing to this.  It is what it is. He said Love They Neighbor As Thyself and Love One Another and Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do To You  Look at this world and ourselves and this forum---how are we treating each other?  I was harsh and I apologized, would other Would you like to be treated the way your are treating others?

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         Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Apology accepted.
         
         But ... The way I treat others?  I use the Bible as proof of what I say, like I did on the previous page.  If you look at my first post on the previous page you'll see that I was in agreement with you and SJ.  You contradicted what I said even though I referenced two parts of the Bible (John 6:46 - 64 & Hebrews 2:4).  How am I treating you bad by referencing the Bible?  It's not my fault if you don't believe it.  This thread is titled "Who is a Christian?"

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            Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            Try accepting some personal responsibility instead. The Bible as proof?
            
            It says it in the bible therefore I don't have to accept any responsibility for what I say? Nice. Awesome get-out.
            
            I see that a lot.

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   RKHenryposted 15 years ago

   A "good Christian" wouldn't have step so low as to start calling someone names to begin with.  Christian apologies are excuses for bad behavior.  You couldn't made a better case for the anti-Christian cause if you were paid to do it. 
   
   Christians can't keep stepping on peoples toes and expect an apology is the cure all.
   
   Ouch, my toe never stops throbbing, hm.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      And when were Christians or for that fact ANYONE perfect?  Are you perfedct??  If everyone were perfect then there would be no need for forgiveness.............................

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         RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         First of all, this isn't about me this is about you and your "Christly" apology.  I made no mention of being perfect or not perfect in regards to myself.  I will not be drugged into a argument for in which I wasn't wrong.  Be accountable for your actions and quit using "Christ" as an excuse to get by with being a rude person.  Lets start there......................................[whatever all those dots mean.  Typical Christian.  Either love them or hate them.  They make it impossible to be in between.]

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            Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Excuse me for yur bad behavior...hmm  the dots are not Christian and you have no idea what you are talkig about since you came in the middle of the conversation without reading the rest of what was said.  You have no idea abut me or what I stand for.  Apologizing is only Christian---give me a break!!!!

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               RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Well, well.  Is your temperament Christian behavior too?  You can't even control yourself long enough to proofread your writings.  What does yur mean anyways?

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                  Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Petty.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You have to remember that to be a christian - you don't have to behave in a christ-like fashion - you just have to accept JC as your personal savior - then you go to heaven and are better than everyone else.

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         MBP42posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hello. Don't know where you got that nonsense but the word Christian translates as Christ like. We are called to walk as his followers doing all that He commanded. We are not better than anyone else if we were we would not need Christ in the first place. We are sinners and He is the savior. You sound very bitter how sad.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            And you sound very sure of your ridiculous belief that you are "better than anyone else". I pity you your delusion.
            
            Perhaps if you opened your eyes to the wonderfulness of nature you would not need to feel this way? Maybe even accept some responsibility for yourself and build some self esteem without having to pretend that an invisible friend came to make you better than others?
            
            How very pathetic of you.

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   Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

   Well Mark if this was one of your atheist commy threads I wouldn't consider using Biblical quotes but seeing this thread is titled "Who is a Christian?" I will.

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   Lady Guinevereposted 15 years ago

   Did Christ ask for followers to do as he did?  Or did someone put those words into his mouth to make it look like he did?
   
   I find it very amuzing that in the beginning of Jesus's life and is teachings that he was Jewish and did everythng Jewish, and then after he died it all became all about Rome and the vastness of the Empire and it all just seems so crazy that Rome has the Bible Now and says that everyone must be like them.........Don't you just wonder how all that got turned around and God and Jesus were a possession that Rome used for the purpose of taking over the world?  The Jews are despised by Catholics, yet all religions use their book, while leaving out their customs..

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      RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Well I for one can see you follow your own beliefs and not the principle beliefs of Christians.  There is nothing christ like in you.

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         Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You are wrong!!  Totally.  Have you ever sat and read the Bible for and about yourself without church or clergy.
         
         So you say that if one does not follow the church doctrine then one is not following Christ or is not Christ-like?  What does that have to do with what I just stated int he above quoted paragraph?

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      And so now you are saying that no one should follow Jesus on the accounts of your analysis that because men wrote the Bible, that it doesn't matter how good Jesus was and his message was... that because you are not sure if that is what he wanted, you should ignore what is good?  Hmmm.  I mean no offense but it sounds a bit ridiculous to call yourself a Christian and you don't know if Jesus really asked people to follow him?  Do I have this right about what your saying?
      
      That is a prime example of how the phrase, many will come in his name.... false prophet perhaps?  I dunno where your going here.
      
        you mean Jesus' teachings or the teachings of the people who wrote the Bible that you do not believe?  I think your getting your own thoughts confused.  What does the bible say about Rome?  Wait.... the Bible cannot be trusted because it was written by men and you follow the teachings of Christ yet there you own because you don't believe the Bible, right?
      
      
      Not all Jews despise Catholics and not all Catholics despise Jews, not all Jews are bad and not all Catholics are bad.  Not all Muslims hate Jews and not all Jews hate Muslims... etc.
      
      Maybe you should get it out of your mind that religions are the reason for wars and fights and such and instead think that the wars and hate and fighting are caused by bad people who blame it on religion.
      
      Just some thoughts, no shoving, no name calling just some of my thoughts.

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         Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Not taken that way at all.  Thinking for yourself is confusing when you go up against the doctrine of the church and not the Christ WITHIN you and in all of us.  They say the same things when you read the Bible, but then you see the whole different picture when you read about who and how and what they chose to put in that book.  History tells a whole other story.  Peter was supposed to be The Foundation of the Chruch--0the leader, the one who put it all together, but then you have Paul and his thoughts and that not of Jesus--he didn't even know Jesus when he had thatr vision.  So most of what Paul wrote is in that Book andnot what Peter wrote.  Topsy-turvey when Jesus said that everything would be written in the bible and it is not and the bible states so.
         
         I am just saying that what went in the bible and what is not included is by the minds and personal glory of the men who did such thing.  What do you think when a person found those scrolls that were to be in the bible...........what was their initial reaction and who did they give them to to decipher?  Christ said tht the Kingdom is within you and that is where it all shoule come from---Christ-like.  What was or is Christ-like----------Unconditional Love and total compassion for and about others and self.  Do you see that in a church who begs for money or has it in their doctrine that they are not to seek Jesus in the Natural Order of the world--not politics, nature and how things work naturally?  You cannot be Christ-like if you tell others how to live and that they can only have God and Jesus if they know the doctrine of a bunch of MEN and women know and are nothing but vile evil seductresses and should have absolutley no say in anything natraul or christian.  Jesus put the laws in the hearts and minds of men--therefore it would be safe and everyone will already have it and not have to get it from another person but directly from Chrsit himself.  You can't put Jesus or God in a box and you only give his love out if you know the password.  God was here way before we were and so was Jesus.

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